[Closed] the reason people swap from full sus back to h/tail is???????

Oh come now, not again surely?

They finally realise that 6 inches front and rear is overkill for a quick pootle round Rutland Water?

Learn to ride better. You have to pick better lines on a hardtail to ride at the same speed as you did on a full suspension.

Hardtails are more fun for jumping and slinging about on twisty stuff as they don't sag and bend when you rail a corner.

I prefer my full sus for a long day out but my hardtail for trail centres and their ilk.

wrong kind of answers...
the reason i am asking is because i have gone through 3 sets of rear wheel bearings in my dmr rear hub on the ventana.
i never have a problem with bearings on various hardtails i have.

i find it odd that people go out and buy a full suss straight off. one riding buddy, although he can ride, doesn't the most out of the trail as his bike simply glides over obstacles.

think everyone should learn on HT to start.

for some people it's more fun

next!

Agree with alpin. Having ridden since '86, everyone should have 5 years on a non sus bike to hone skillz 😉

Is it sad that I still call a hardtail a front sus?

alpin, i had 20 years on a hardtail..... 8)

Laziness! It's much easier to get a hardtail to the top of the hill. You do it faster and feel better about yourself. They're cheaper and require less maintenance. I think everyone should have one of each. My hardtail get most of the riding but it's not the most fun.

sell?? get one of each!

Personal preference, I like them both although have more fun on my full susses.

Ton, are you feeling any flex in the rear end? Are the dropouts aligned perfectly with each other? Possibly a hub with a larger axel could be what is needed?

Didnt we have this yesterday? If you dont get it, then dont do it.

I bought a hardtail as my two bouncy bikes were too similar. I like having two bikes, one to wash and one the wear. Also, most of the people I ride with are on hardtails so it's a bit more fair on them.

he he good thread Ton 8)

This should bring out some classic stw dross 😆

Due to 'operational worthiness issues' I might be forced to go on a bike ride with my full sus tomorrow, which I'm gutted about - I hate it. Mind you, I didn't before I got my Scandal.

Although it might be more the fact that it's a lot heavier and it's got silly small wheels than the fact that it's full sus.

Plus I find that Stans Crows at about 22 psi makes the Scandal almost feel like a full sus on some stuff.

Learn to ride better. You have to pick better lines on a hardtail to ride at the same speed as you did on a full suspension.

If that is true why do all racers (xc and dh) not use hardtails?

I swapped back as I just could be bothered to pi55 around with setting all the time.

it was either too hard or too soft but never just right, I didn't trust the bike as i never knew what the hell it was going to do .

at least with my Ht i get on it a ride knowing what to expect and how hard I can push.

i ride a bike for fun not to worry about positive/negative pressures ,sag and travel.

....because they need to relocate the balls they've somehow misplaced.

Learn to ride better.

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I was forced onto a borrowed hardtail last summer after my Rohloff failed for the 2nd time and had to go back to the fatherland for repairs. For a decade I'd thought hardtail = not a proper bike, but suddenly I found climbing hills was much easier, and downhills were more exciting, also the reduced maintenance was a bonus, so I bought the loan bike and my old one languishes unwanted in the cellar 🙂

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I [i]think[/i] trailmonkey, that was the purpose of this thread 🙄

You can always get an indication of expected 'trollic effect' of his question, by the number of question marks STW's favourite and most lovable troll, puts after his question.

I built my hardtail up last November with the sole intention of using it over winter on wet/muddy rides,mainly to avoid all the extra time & effort in maintaining my full sussers shock,bearings,pivots etc.

Thing is,it rides that well,& is such a blast to ride,that until I take my 'big bike'to the Alps this summer,I can't see me being out on anything else.

so what hard tails are you riding? Was looking to get something to replace my Stumpy FSR (10 yrs hard tails, 7 years full bouncers). Might be an option to have hard tail alongside the stumpy....

I got both a steel HT @ a fancy dan FS, love em both, ride which ever I feel like.

Because full sus bikes are money pits and they are made of cheese.

i'm getting old now,, and like a nice comfy ride,, it may make you a lazy rider,, i have almost forgoten how to manual over stuff on the trail.. hell i just let the suspension do it's stuff,

maybe starting on a hardtail gives you the skills,, i have done my time we only had flex stems and bouncy seat posts back in 85

so i'll keep my full suspension,,,, even my singlespeed is a full suspension bike

people who swap back are usually Santa Cruz owners who have run out of cash for new bushings. 😆

You still need to be skilled to ride an FS properly... TBH I think you can get into trouble more quickly on an FS, so maybe you need to be more skilled than a hardtail rider to get the best out of one. You can plod about on any bike.

Then again, I've recently bought a little 4x hardtail, for a change, after the last 8ish years only riding FS. It's great fun - feels much faster in the tight stuff, but it shows its limitations when it's gets steep and bumpy.

my full sus covers up how slow I am down hill
my hardtail covers up how slow I am up hill
my singlespeed makes me look hard
my hybrid makes me look like a CTC member

I like to have a choice....

I think trailmonkey, that was the purpose of this thread

You can always get an indication of expected 'trollic effect' of his question, by the number of question marks STW's favourite and most lovable troll, puts after his question.

ernie, you made me 😳

the reason people swap from full sus back to h/tail is???????

Because they're to soft/gay/lacking in skill to ride a rigid bike.

😉

Hmm there's some more of 'the g word' that everyone claimed they never use in a derogatory way, and 'jey' definitely doesn't bear any relation to it at all, no sir. 😐

Hardtails do it for me - they take extra skills to ride well and you have to pick your lines more than you do on a full sus making the input greater and therefore more fulfilling.

BUT

I get too many rear punctures on my hardtail 🙁

singlespeedstu - Member

the reason people swap from full sus back to h/tail is???????

Because they're to soft/gay/lacking in skill to ride a rigid bike.

oh well thats your opinion,,, i'm sure a few world cup dh riders i know may have something to say about that,, but i'm certain you were just having a laugh

 

grumm - Member

Hmm there's some more of 'the g word' that everyone claimed they never use in a derogatory way,

Sorry to dissapoint you but "gay" in that description has nowt to do with whether you like to blow on the pink oboe or not. 😆

ade ward - Member

singlespeedstu - Member

the reason people swap from full sus back to h/tail is???????

Because they're to soft/gay/lacking in skill to ride a rigid bike.

oh well thats your opinion,,, i'm sure a few world cup dh riders i know may have something to say about that,, but i'm certain you were just having a laugh

No shit sherlock.

 

i wanted to take my stiffee out tomorrow, but i am gonna have the use the ventana, cos my lad has pinched the h/tail to go to stainburn with his mates......
****ing kids, buy em a car to give em a bit of independence and they repay you buy pinching your fave new bike................ 😡

Sorry to dissapoint you but "gay" in that description has nowt to do with whether you like to blow on the pink oboe or not

You sure about that? Not saying you are a homophobe but that use of the term has pretty clear homophobic connotations. Like I said in another thread, I am sometimes guilty of using it that way too, but I don't think it's a particularly nice thing to do.

Never mind ton.

You'll be laughing next weekend at SSUK.

pinching your fave new bike................

1) you still got that then ?

2) sure you haven't bought anything since ?

😉

I wish I was a muslim sometimes; they seem to be the only people in this country who have 'free speech' now. Where does everyone get off being Offended? No offensive replies please I'm too sensetive.

Not saying you are a homophobe but that use of the term has pretty clear homophobic connotations.

I think you need to spend less time trying to read stuff into something that doesn't need it.

It's only a [b]bike forum[/b] FFS

Yeah and why can't we still call black people 'darkies' too eh - its political correctness gone mad. If only Clarkson was in charge.

Why don't you devote some of your time to defending some of those that are "lacking in skill"

I'm sure they'd be more gratefull. 8)

Why don't you devote some of your time to defending some of those that are "lacking in skill"

What, like gay people? 😉

+ 1 for what Grumm said
how else did you mean it?
EDIT: think Grumm ahead so far

What, like gay people?

No.

Like full suss riders fool. 🙄 😉

err, fat full sus riders matey boy, if you dont mind......... 8)

singlespeedstu - I wouldn't worry too much, I noticed your ' 😉 ' after your comment, and I guess most other people did too.

Shame some people can't be a little more gay, and a little less grumpy.

😉

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ton - you're a very naughty boy. And don't give me this "who ? me ? I don't know what you're talking about" bollox.

😉

I am a skill-less, top-heavy plumper who falls off every five minutes and is too scared to go down anything steeper than 3 degrees.

I wouldnt be any better on a hardtail than on a full suss, but I have built a fs for the sheer fun of it...

I cant be the only one who's decision is based purly on aesthetics?

ernie_lynch - Member

singlespeedstu - I wouldn't worry too much, I noticed your ' ' after your comment, and I guess most other people did too.

Shame some people can't be a little more gay, and a little less grumpy.

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ton - you're a very naughty boy. And don't give me this "who ? me ? I don't know what you're talking about" bollox.

Don't worry I'm sure ton will "take me in hand" and "teach me a lesson" for being so insulting to "the gays".

And this one's for the hard of thinking and lacking in humour. 😉 😉 😯 😉

I'm with Grumm. Gay, Ghey, Jey - it's all homophobic...

Gay, Ghey, Jey - it's all homophobic..

In that case, why do gay men use it ?

I mean, it really doesn't make sense for gay men to use a word which conjures up feelings of loathing, fear and contempt.

How about if instead of saying : "Because they're to soft/gay/lacking in skill to ride a rigid bike" (followed by a wink of course) singlespeedstu had said : "Because they're to soft/[b]girly[/b]/lacking in skill to ride a rigid bike" (followed by a wink of course) would that have been alright then ?

Or would "girly" have been deemed as sexist and offensive by suggesting a hatred, loathing, and contempt for women ? ffs

Some of you PC brigadistas need a reality check. And it would be all so laughable, if you didn't make the job of fighting [i]real[/i] hatred and prejudice so much harder, and, didn't give so much ammunition to the real bigots.

Some of you PC brigadistas need a reality check. And it would be all so laughable, if you didn't make the job of fighting real hatred and prejudice so much harder, and, didn't give so much ammunition to the real bigots.

Bollocks, sorry. There was a gay forum user who on another thread said he finds the use of gay as a derogatory term pretty offensive. A gay guy at work finds it pretty unpleasant the way Chris Moyles uses the word as an insult.

And by the way, yeah, using the term girly would be pretty sexist. I'm not claiming it's some kind of ultimate evil and that people who do it are twt@s, I'm just saying I don't think it's a particularly good thing. Do you?

gay men don't normally use the word 'gay' in a pejorative sense though...

Not offending people through one's use of language isn't some sort of lefty mind control, it's just manners.

gay men don't normally use the word 'gay' in a pejorative sense though

Exactly. Like many words, it's the way in which it's used that matters - not the fact that it's been used.

Only someone living in fantasy PC wonderland, would think that singlespeedstu used it in an unacceptable manner.

Gay but don't like non-gay men using the word 'gay' ? Well MTFU.

IMHO ....... of course

I find all the extra pummelling in the bum quite exciting on a HT. But for ultimate satisfaction, it's got to be rigid.

LOL !

Exactly. Like many words, it's the way in which it's used that matters

And you don't see a problem with using it as an insult? I imagine people probably used to say the same about, eg 'jewing' people out of money.

Like I said, I'm not saying its a massive crime, I just don't think it's very pleasant - especially when a gay user of this forum has said he finds it insulting.

especially when a gay user of this forum has said ......

Well OK .......... I am semi-educated, shop in Tesco, live in Croydon 'Stab City' and call everyone a ****.

I demand grumm, that forthwith, you never use the word 'chav'

....... don't let me catch you using it now.

I don't like the word chav either - usually used by snobby ****s sneering at the underclass.

I like offensive insults, theyre funny because theyre shocking. People are different and have different views. Get over it.

Oh, and i get called "gay" alot by people when out on my bike, I guess im asking for it riding a Pink Stiffee though arent i? 😉 Hardtails are just better.

this thread has become even worse of all the non bike related bickering.

ernie_lynch - Member
I might be forced to go on a bike ride with my full sus tomorrow, which I'm gutted about - I hate it. Mind you, I didn't before I got my Scandal.

Ignore all that nonsense. Went out on my FS this evening for the first time in about 18 mths ...........nice 😯

.......... and so kind on the bum

Hardtail for the trail centre, and full suss for the all day rides,
especially for the 59year olds like me.(who can't spell proper as well)

Hard tail for the hard tail stuff
Full susser for full susser stuff

AND KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS!

I found mine on my Cotic Soul this evening at the Cliff in Nesscliffe! Ouch! 😳

wot about them ss thigs then.
where do they come into the mix.

Personally, after just 5 years of riding HT a fancy trying FS (Much because of the 'you'll be soooo fast on a FS' from mates).

After a year a realised i was just mashing through terrain and was just a passenger on a bike.
So when the chance of a Chameleon came up, i took it (also as a chance to go ss), desite this move i learnt i rode in just the same manner on a HT as i did on the orange 5......

Guess i'm a lost cause when it come to it, but love being on the trail and not in it...

And as i've not read thread but noticed tons last post....

Why did i go ss.

Well last august i tried it because i could...did so for a few weeks, but on the first day on a 3 day peaks ride i hyperextended my knee again so needed to run gears for the rest of the trip.

Then early this year when work dried up and my cassette, etc wore out i needed to keep riding, so ss was the only way.

Can't say i've needed them since, yes it's unsociable, yes it's hard work, yes i won't to go faster on some some trails when i spin out..

But mostly it's very satisfying....simplistic and 'Hardpure' yep that's the new niche.

Hardpure riding.

Full sussers look crap! I should have thought that was a good enough reason for anyone on here not to buy one.

I reckon there is nothing wrong with running both.

2 sussers on 4in one 5in and a bit tougher. I also run a Steel singlespeed which is great.

Changing between them is always for a change, or bad weather!

[i]You can always get an indication of expected 'trollic effect' of his question, by the number of question marks STW's favourite and most lovable troll, puts after his question. [/i]

I feel that the phrase "trollic effect" has not had the recognition it deserves. 😀

😀

i'm fortunate enough to have a selection.
neither FS or HT are better, just different.

fwiw, the ti456 gets it today.