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What A-C distance do people running rigid forks on their Scandals have?
What A-C distance do people running rigid forks on their Scandals have?
I'm running some forks off a genesis tarn. I think they are 120mm for a 29er. No idea what the A-C is.
Anyone using longer forks than 130mm?
Scandal and Big dog frames now at £150 with a headset and seat clamp - delivery £15
Which one to buy???
Would I get away with a medium Big Dog? Usual ride a large but reach and stack seem comparable to my other bikes
not a large big dog - sold out already
Would I get away with a medium Big Dog? Usual ride a large but reach and stack seem comparable to my other bikes
How do the stems and head angles compare?
Everything's got a longer reach than it used to have, but also has a slacker head angle and shorter stem. So handlebars are by and large still in the same place relative to the saddle. This isn't 2004 anymore, 69deg head angles and 40mm stems are thankfully not a fashion anymore.
I'd get a large if that's what you normally ride, going off a couple of measurements is fine, but the designers hopefully balanced everything else to make it handle well. At an extreme example, the reach and stack of a recumbent is very different. But combined with whatever the angles, wheelbase, stem length etc work out as still results in something with vaguely neutral handling.
Whenever I've deviated from the size guide (or rounded down rather than up) I've always regretted it.
I ordered a cheap frame bundle last night, not really sure what I'm going to do with it, but I've got one coming (I hope).
A couple of questions:
1) What's the BB height like with a 120mm fork?
2) Was the head angle ever established? 65 degrees at 120mm static?
I had a MK2 Scandal (all aluminium) and while it was great in some ways, and light, I thought it pretty nervous downhill and in technical stuff, not that I was trying to ride DH trails. Just wondering how the new geo will compare, it's a lot slacker, a longer fork, and generally more modern, but I envisage it doing a similar job (long, mixed, local rides with a fair bit of road), just better on the downs... I like the long aspect of new bikes, I was always running stems 20-30mm longer than advised on 'old geo' bikes to get comfortable. I guess the effect of the slacker head angle will be offset a bit by a short stem...
Also, I presume OO/PX are spec'ing all these bikes with 35mm forks because they got a lorry load cheap? Seems a slightly odd pairing with relatively light frames (Whippet has the same 35mm fork)?
Also, I presume OO/PX are spec’ing all these bikes with 35mm forks because they got a lorry load cheap? Seems a slightly odd pairing with relatively light frames (Whippet has the same 35mm fork)?
A fair assumption, given the Gold RL shares the same chassis as a Lyrik or Yari, meaning they are tough as old boots! It's not even the lighter Pike/Revelation chassis.
A couple of questions:
1) What’s the BB height like with a 120mm fork?
2) Was the head angle ever established? 65 degrees at 120mm static?
Brant responded thus to my geometry question...
Static 120mm as I recall.
So if accurate, you'll have a 58mm BB drop static, which equates to 313mm static BB height on 2.35" Schwalbe, or around 310mm on 2.3" Maxxis.
Well I've bought one at £150 with headset. Couldnt not, really. I'd like to build it quite light and racy, might upgrade my main bike to 12 speed XT and use the 11 speed.
The XC bike reviews in the latest mag issue got me tempted!
That's ^ my plan too, just need to be careful selecting forks and wheels...
i was tempted with a big dog as i do prefer the look of steel a little more. Bought the scandal though as its a fair bit lighter and at this price point i cant see having a steel frame giving a much of a difference in overall ride quality.
I've had a number of steel hardtails over the years (Cotic, Dialled etc(, always loved them but always felt a bit disappointingly weighty. I had a Giant XTC which was fantastically light - but rubbish geometry. I'm hoping this will do both!
OK, I'm seriously tempted by the current £150 offer but I appear to be between sizes in the Scandal size chart.
I'm 5'11" and appear to be between the M and L.
Anyone else of a similar height? What size did you order?
i'm the same height and have just gone for a Large big dog
assume scandal and big dog are similar
Sizing guide is on website for the main Scandal frame item (i.e. at £449.99...)
Rider Height Suggested Frame Size
5′3″ to 5′7″ (160cm-170cm) Small / 15"
5′6″ to 5′10″ (168cm-178cm) Medium / 16.5"
5′9″ to 6′2″ (175cm- 188cm) Large /18"
6′1″ to 6′4″ (185cm- 193cm) X-Large / 19.5"
5ft 10 and gone for the medium - I've got short legs mind.
What would you recommend for 6:2ft (189cm). I know the chart would indicate an Xl but the frame measurements seem to be fairly long. Would a large be too cramped ? Currently on a 20inch Giant Anthem and it's a perfect size. I like frames slightly on the smaller side.
I'm 5' 10.5 and went for large, I wanted the longest reach I could get for my height.
People are riding bikes that are far too long for them right now. 5'10.5in and a large is ridiculous.
People are riding bikes that are far too long for them right now. 5’10.5in and a large is ridiculous.
Not according to the sizing chart on the website!
I'm 5'10" and the issue I would have with a medium is the 420mm seat tube. I have longish legs for my height and it means often seat post (rigid) are past min insertion point.
People are riding bikes that are far too long for them right now. 5’10.5in and a large is ridiculous
Not according to your own sizing chart! My other bike is a large too, but it sits somewhere between the Scandal Med and Lrg.
Anyway - just ordered some of the bargain REBA's from All tricks - that puts me at £360 delivered for frame, headset, seatclamp and fork. Pleased with the REBA deal as its a lot lighter than the usual budget RS offerings I was hovering over.
Excited now 😀
Interesting - so Brant are you recommending a Medium for someone 5.11 with average leg/torso
People are riding bikes that are far too long for them right now. 5’10.5in and a large is ridiculous.
Brant I'm interested in your view then on the sizing guide on the website - is it wrong? On any sensible view I am average height which should be medium but the reach on the large is only 10mm longer than my medium trek so I thought this would be a cheap way to try a long bike
I'm 6ft3. I always buy an xl frame. When I built my scandal it got what ever I had. I think I had a 70mm stem, it felt massive. Bought a 35mm on one stem for £13 and it made it feel much better.
@Brant is right, modern bikes are bigger, longer, Depending on the size of your prortions you might be better on a large. It will be more playful.
I've just started riding my xl specialised stumpjumper, first time since I built the scandal. It now feels too short and that has a 50mm stem.
Poor brant, he doesn't work there and still gets asked questions because px/oo customer service is so poor. I don't think lock down is to blame either unfortunately.
is the 32t chainring limit definite? Annoyingly ordered a 34. 32 not much use here in the flatlands.
is the 32t chainring limit definite? Annoyingly ordered a 34. 32 not much use here in the flatlands.
Someone else photo with a 32t, think the conclusion was they missed a spacer out hence the tight clearance. Might be a bit tight unless it lines up better with the L shape of the yoke.
oof that's tight, we will see I guess!
deleted, trying to figure out how to share a single pic of dented head tube from google album...
Well I've ended up ordering the Medium, swayed by Brant's comments.
Also picked up the discounted Reba from Alltricks, so hat-tip to whoever shared that.
Anyone seen any bargainous 29er wheelsets about?
What length seatposts are people having to run on these new Scandals?
I'll be going for a standard post (probably Thomson) to start with as I'm planning an XC(ish) build. But the seat tubes are short.
I'm 6ft tall, 32" inside leg and have a large frame, can anyone of similar proportions advise?
is that the €249 Reba or was it cheaper still?
What length seatposts are people having to run on these new Scandals?
I’m pretty much the same height/legs as you. Just had a quick measure up compared with my other bikes and reckon you’ll need a 400mm post, although I was comparing with a 400mm 27.2 carbon post which might have a more generous minimum insertion than a 30.9 Thomson. That assumes your saddle rails are around 71.5cm from centre of bb.
Edit: to be clear, I was measuring a Large Scandal frame too.
Thanks for that, just what I was after, they do a 410mm.
@cravensmythe
It was the €249 ones that I ordered, they were the cheapest I could find.
https://www.alltricks.com/F-11918-fourches/P-405841-rockshox_reba_rl_solo_air_29_____15x100mm_offset_51___black_2019
Just looked at the £999 GX build, it now comes with Microslpine wheels (shimano rather than Fulcrum) and an SLX cassette
According to the email I got the other day there's £200 off a scandal build until 10th of May
I bought a L frame based on the sizing chart on the website. Arrived last weekend, a bit worried now seeing Brant's comments above as I'm 5'11".
Comparing to my medium Soul (seat tube: 440mm) this is longer at 460. If I went for a medium scandal though the seat tube drops down to 420mm. I need a 410mm post as it is on the Soul for it to fit me (32" inside leg) so one of these must be true:
- a large is the right choice for me
- a scandal just doesnt suit my proportions
- I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't need my seatpost that high
- I don't know what I'm talking about, I haven't translated the measurements right
this is STW so it's probably 3 or 4 😉
Edit: ooh, I've just checked and these new fangled Brand-X Ascend XLs are 500mm long!
My forks have just arrived from Le Francais 👍
Same here, pleased with them. Nice stealthy black to match the frame too!
Now... What wheels!?
another scandal & alltricks reba recipient here, is this going to be an stw standard?
Edit: ooh, I’ve just checked and these new fangled Brand-X Ascend XLs are 500mm long!
I've gone for a Crank Bros Highline from Wiggle. 170 drop for £120.
6ft on a Large by the way. Not built yet but it's 4cm shorter reach than my full-suss which I like a lot. I reckon you'll be fine on a Large.
Am I the only one who can't get on the alltricks website ever? I get Error 403 from OZON...
Thanks hamishthecat!