They seem to be a little exorcised on that link you posted TiReD
The Clinic is always "interesting" 😉
Well done Adam Yates. Hope you can stay on the podium till Paris.
He looks like he’s just been out with the local touring club for a cake run
it’s to good to be true he didn’t even look tired
At least Wout looked like he'd put in a shift 😀
<p style="text-align: left;">Over 5% faster than his nearest rival in a sport of marginal gains...</p>
The Clinic has gone into meltdown!
Wow that link is bonkers.
Entertaining day for a time trial (I may have nodded off at one point).
Listening to the commentary the woman on the commentary team (van dik?) is second only in number of Time trail wins to Tony Martin! Impressive stat especially as she said there wasn't that many races in the women's calendar.
What the hell just happened there? Pog destroyed the field, then Vin took him apart. Machines. Absolute machines.
Over 5% faster than his nearest rival in a sport of marginal gains…
you'd thought that kind of thing threw an exception on the "biological passport". Anyway the race for yellow is now over.
you’d thought that kind of thing threw an exception on the “biological passport
did I see 7.5 watts for 30 min quoted above. He’s either superhuman, or juiced to the gills. Let’s hope it’s the former
The Clinic has gone into meltdown! The watts/kg will be ridiculous (about 7.5), but when you are only 59 kg and need 450 Watts, it doesn’t sound quite so mad
What's with all the wingdings? Is it s secret code?
9mins down to the 3rd place now. That's insane
winston
Full MemberHe looks like he’s just been out with the local touring club for a cake run
It really did, absolutely mental performance
Vingegaard sprinting like it was a 4k pursuit at the start. Couldn't believe that he didn't slow down on the climb...
not that you can take much from it, as I've not watched it, he (vin) finished 105th and was 6m 35s down of Rog at the 2020 Vuelta ITT (33km, 536m climbing)
he didn’t even look tired
He looks like he’s just been out with the local touring club for a cake run
Jonas doesn’t even look that knackered!
You guys must have watched something different from me because in the one I watched he looked busted at the line.
I think that whatever the rights/wrongs.... truth/untruth and general speculation of today's ride, it will bring a lot of incredulity regarding pro cycling.
Nearly 10% faster that everyone except 2nd place is beyond comprehension. It’s cycling equivalent of 9s dead 100m sprint.
Ha it has been years since I've visited 'the clinic'. I assume that they've neither mellowed, nor gained any actual scientific qualifications?
It's hard not to be a sceptic when you see performances such as today mind.
Shades of Roglic and Thomas at the Giro?
IIRC the splits were different, G was still in the game until the gradient ramped up.
Vingegaard was faster than everyone on every aspect of the route today, by a huge margin. And I Think that JumboVisma knew he was going to do it from the very beginning of his run.
I’ve not watched it, he (vin) finished 105th and was 6m 35s down of Rog at the 2020 Vuelta ITT (33km, 536m climbing
He had a different role in the team back then to be fair.
Wonder when it'll dawn on uae that changing bikes was a major tactical error.
And I Think that JumboVisma knew he was going to do it from the very beginning of his run.
I'd assumed that this was something they discussed from before the tour even started
It’s hard not to be a sceptic when you see performances such as today mind.
I don't think so - that's a stage he'd clearly looked at very closely, the DS said they'd extensively recce'd it in April and they were obviously using feedback from WvA, Sepp Kuss and others. I suspect that was always a targeted stage, whether he had yellow or not - that was the absolute "bank it all on red" stage where he could go all out without needing to respond to Pogacar's violent accelerations (which he can't really do) and without any other uncontrollable factors like how a team-mate is feeling.
Pogacar didn't seem to go into it with the same fluidity, he looked more nervous right from the startline.
Not sure why people are talking like it's all over - gaps like that have been overturned in the past, sometimes in a single stage. One bad day and he could be right back to square one. All he needs to do now is defend though, everyone else is so far back they're not really a concern so there's a chance the last few days could be more about the lower-down GC battle while JV simply follows TP everywhere he goes.
Be interesting to see the interviews in the highlights programme.
You can recce it all you want, ride it 30 times, but you can't just magically find that sort of gap to everyone. Everyone who'd actually beaten you in TTs before. Everyone who'd the best of the best, made to look average
You can recce it all you want, ride it 30 times, but you can’t just magically find that sort of gap to everyone. Everyone who’d actually beaten you in TTs before.
A man training coming into his prime is very different from the average person on here training to not be on a less tragic curve downwards when it comes to comparisons to previous performances
The interviews - now out on you tube - validate crazy-legs which I'd side with. Vin himself didnt think the margin would be that big, and as above they've planned that to mitigate a Poj lead and just went for it anyway. In addition, Poj says he didnt feel right from halfway, he did look a bit stressed and tired.
So we have one rider with perfect prep feeling good and another less than perfect prep not feeling so good. But Poj says it isn't over yet, UAE have a plan for the next two days.
I'm now off for my own Jonas inspired 30s interval session 😀
But he didn't just beat Pog.
Wout van Art - "I'm first among humans today"
You can recce it all you want, ride it 30 times, but you can’t just magically find that sort of gap to everyone
exactly. Forget the pog, He’s pretty much gone 10% quicker than the guy in 3rd. Back in the dark old days those types of performances were questioned, and for good reason
will be interesting to see how they get on tomorrow
Yates to go very long and see what happens?
will be interesting to see how they get on tomorrow
Pogacar went over and congratulated him in the warm down earlier
When you see how strong WvA is generally, he should be able smash a time out in a course like that, which he did, but vin was nearly 3 MINUTES faster.....
I don't usually engage with claims of fould play in cycling but I can say that I saw a small boy who looked EXACTLY like Jonas Vignegaard in a science museum near Stavanger today.
Make of that what you will.
Jonas 'Armstrong' Vingegaard.
Pog tore everyone a new one, then Vingegaard ripped Pog up for a$$ paper, Vin beat the best of the best and not just marginally.
3 minutes faster than a proven brilliant time triallist WvA.
I cant believe Jonas is clean now.......
Jumbo Visma took over the Rabobank team, who were known for doping..... hmmmm
Jonas ‘Armstrong’ Vingegaard.
Lets not get carried away here. For a start there isn't any evidence to suggest Vingegaard is a c***.
I cant believe Jonas is clean now…
Did you believe Pogacar was? Some of his rides are similarly unbelievable.
Sadly i think both Jonas and Pog are clearly on another level to everyone else, it is hard not to take the view that it isn't natural.
Those time gaps were nuts
I wish they’d release his power data which would perhaps provide some reassurance to the doubters
in fairness his descending was absolutely insane, like he was on rails, which would have made up a chunk of time as well
Jumbo Visma took over the Rabobank team, who were known for doping….. hmmmm
On 25 July 2007, Rasmussen won stage 16 of the 2007 Tour de France. He had led the general classification (overall lead) since... However, hours after his win, Rabobank abruptly fired him and removed him from the race.
has a very familiar ring to it doesn't it :/
Neutral observer with the GC podium 24/7 for the whole 3 weeks. Only way. You go for a piss, I watch. Never happen but its the only way to 100% know.
It was remarkable but in the context of the rest of the tour not that out there. He has been protected the whole time and not really put in huge efforts, there were plenty of times when you felt he had more in the tank and he didn’t go for it. I think they had long targeted this stage.
There has to be a bit of an allowance for outstanding performances, what's the point in watching otherwise?
I long ago gave up on this pointless speculation about every good performance and just take it at face value.
Of course, evidence may come to light in the future but until then, just enjoy the spectacle.
He has been protected the whole time and not really put in huge efforts
nonsense.... he rode most the Col du Tourmalet on the front towing Pog up.. 7 watts/k for 26 minutes or something he also did some thing similar the day before.
I don't think being protected means the top 2 fighting out a number of stages in the mountains on their own having blown out their team mates
though they are huge efforts, cos breaking the alltime tdf record was just taking it easy :/
