[Closed] Stooge Speedball

That is one very short bike.

That's a lot of top tubes!

Bike looks unbalanced, not enough stay tubes. 😆

If Aldi did a Jones+ rip off (sorry Taz 😐 )

It does look short, so almost certainly not for me atm, but I love the look of it.

Not a problem at all Rorschach, i still have my Jones and this stooge rides sod all like it, otherwise I wouldn't have been involved with this thing.

Actually more influenced by the original breezer from the 70's hence the ladder frame and there's only so much you can do engineering wise with a ti fork with a long offset before it turns to a noodle so a truss of some descritption is the best way, unless you use 36mm or 40mm tubes which would be stiffer than a stiff thing.

Just my two cents as I'm just a test pilot, and will also he spending lots of time on my Jones.... 🙂

Oh 23.5 ish ett as well so not that short either

So, come on how does it ride?

I like it. nice to see something away from the norm.

Bonesetter- its like my rooster had a night of dirty filthy passion with my black sheep whilst an old skool bmx was pleasuring itself in the corner. Its big monster truck yobbo

Tazzy will the fork be available separately?

If Aldi did a Jones+ rip off (sorry Taz )

Damn, and i so wanted to like you with a name like that.

@Vondally, if you mean can you have one for your regular Stooge, drop me an e-mail, it wouldn't be a problem.

I hate the fork tbh but I love the frame, the lines of the ladder dropping back into the seat stays are just, mmmmmm.

yes but then it wouldn't be a homage to this, and this makes me moist

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What tyre sizes can the fork fit?

Looks and sounds amazing. Can't wait to hear more about it....

akira its a 100mm hub spacing, 29er 3.25 like a crux or bulldozer will fit with loads of space. I reckon a 27.5 with a 3.8 bonty may just squeeze in with enough space to be usable, dependent upon rim width.

Proprietary bolt through or existing standard? Considering whether this in a stooge might help satisfy my Jones itch.

what you need for a jones itch...is a Jones. Believe me they are very different bikes. My Jones will never leave the bike collection!!

what you need for monster truck bmx retro yob behaviour.. may be a speedball 😀

its a 15mm rockshox compatible maxle

I agree tazzy, my wallet does not unfortunately.

We need the geo figures

Are 1&2 the same size (ETT 23.5")?

Like it ..think it looks better than the Jones TBH ..no idea what it rides like or the price?

Ti is £2K
Steel ~£900

Which IMO is decent pricing

2k for ti frame and forks?
if so a few bob cheaper than a ti jones frame/fork

yep frame and fork Ton, with the option of a nice retro Ti bull moose to go as well. Pics when it finally clears customs! 🙂

Looks cool. but 27.2 seatpost? blech

What's the difference in geometry to the normal stooge?

So would the new fork alter the original Stooge by much? I love Klunkers Breezers and Torkers and the Stooge but I'm not feeling this one I'm afraid, might be a grower.

I would'nt worry about it Jonestown.You hav'nt liked me much on the numerous times we've met 😀

yep frame and fork Ton, with the option of a nice retro Ti bull moose to go as well. Pics when it finally clears customs!

Ooh the Bullmoose bars sound interesting! I really fancy some for my MK1 Stooge.

The forks are intriguing too, costly id imagine though!?!

The look of the Speedball is growing on me, I didnt instantly fall in love with it like I did the original.

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2k for ti frame and forks?
if so a few bob cheaper than a ti jones frame/fork

2.5k cheaper

Very interested in a truss for my Stooge.

Never thought I'd write that sentence.

@rorschach, damn you, now i think i really DO like you after all

23.5" ETT is pretty short. What's the reach?

Looks like it's trying to replicate Jones geometry (not the Jones Plus) with a different aesthetic, but appealing to a similar audience.

It would look betterer with a layback Ti post 🙂

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Any pics yet of the new regular stooge frame yet?

What's the fork compliance like? The bracing looks a bit too beefy compared to the Jones!

Truss forks are not meant to be compliant - they are meant to be stiff and have no brake flutter.

So, will there be a steel truss fork available aftermarket to fit a mk1 Stooge?

In Plum Crazy purple.

Pretty please.

Smoother than a gravy sandwich.

+1 on the fork for my mk2 🙂

Aldi Jones, yeah, about right

To the "adli Jones" folk, I take it you also have the same opinion of: black sheep, moonmen, oddity, groovey cycle works, inglis/retrotec, skyde, ( hell, even the one one fatty looked a bit like a Jeff frame) and loads of other nahbs frame builders as they also have bikes with multiple top tubes and shock horror some form of truss fork. Jesus some folk really don't know their niche 😉

To a degree yes. Do all the fancy bits "do anything" or are they just decorative?

Truss forks are a very good way to make a light and super stiff fork. If you've ridden a titanium unicrown fork even a bloody expensive one the fore and aft deflection is "interesting" to the point of bloody scary. Unless you massively over build it like the 36mm stanchion torus/burls forks, which are lovely, but very industrial. A lot of the frame builders/designers that use multi top tubes, all seem to be from the same retro style of loving early mountain bikes and klunkers, but you can do some nice engineering things with ladder frames with regard to thinner tubes and building a bit of vertical compliance without it being a noodle sideways. I guess you either visually like that kind of thing and the fact that there are many paths to arrive at a similar destination, or its not for you and you like hydro formed alloys, carbon, and clever suspension stuff. Its all bikes and that's bloody ace.

Comparing the speedball to a Jones, (and I've owned diamonds, diamonds with truss and still have a space frame (steel) the ti is too flexy for me I can twist the back) is just bloody lazy.

Mind you the original mk1 stooge also came under fire from a couple of old beardie Jones nerds as well (me included originally) then I had a ride on a mk1 and realised they were a very different bike and trying to do a different thing in making a rigid bike be as much of a yob as possible (bit like wolfhound bikes)