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Had this delivered earlier today...
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Orbea/Occam-M30-Mountain-Bike-2022/VE68?id=1464718
mulbery orbea occam carbon large
(Big birthday present to self. Fancy purple pedals arrive tomorrow. Unfortunately within two hours of delivery it had been nicked from by back garden - gate was bolted and it'll have only been visible from upstairs neighbours' windows. It was propped against the wall of the back reception room i was working in interviewing so rather focused. Drew the curtain when the sun came out at about 15:00, bike still there. By 17:30 the bike was gone, garden gate wide open. Neighbours saw nothing, and were about in gardens some of the time, reported to police obv. No idea if home insurance will pay, but I really wanted to ride that bike! Somewhat in shock.)
So if anyone sees anything...
No help to you at all other than to say that’s so bad. Hope you get a decent outcome from police or insurer.
Cheers. No one's hurt I guess. (Yet...)
Will bump this a couple of times over the next week
That's terrible. Poor you.
Really hope you get insurance cash.
Sorry to hear that. Quite a few credit cards include insurance against theft for a certain period after purchase. If you paid by card, worth checking whether that might apply.
Bank transfer on account of upped online security...
Thats a bit shit for you, but what is the relevance of TNT in the header? Are somehow thinking it was related to the delivery person/company?
Thats a bit shit for you, but what is the relevance of TNT in the header? Are somehow thinking it was related to the delivery person/company?
I'd imagine there is a strong possibility that a bike being nicked within 2hrs of delivery could have something to do with the bloke (not specifically the company) that delivered it
If mods want to edit the header that's fine if anyone wants to report it? Was posting in shock. Though if it draws attention - others report similar following delivery? All highly unlikely but you never know - is that a bad thing?
I also name Sigma who couldn't take my card payment (two calls to the bank couldn't resolve from their end) but were otherwise great.
something to do with the bloke (not specifically the company) that delivered
Probably not the bloke as he will still have deliveries to do but if I was investigating this, I'd like to see what calls he made after he collected the parcels for the day then check to see if that number pinged off a mast close by your house.
Probably not the bloke as he will still have deliveries to do but if I was investigating this, I’d like to see what calls he made after he collected the parcels for the day then check to see if that number pinged off a mast close by your house.
McGee will get right on it Gibbs.
That's rough luck fella. Hope it shows up.
Yeah. Tough luck indeed.
I assume you'd be advising your insurance company - if they specify a bike needs to be locked to something immovable - that it was locked to a tree/fencepost/drainpipe etc.
assume you’d be advising your insurance company – if they specify a bike needs to be locked to something immovable – that it was locked to a tree/fencepost/drainpipe etc.
why would you do that, it’s fraud.
That’s really shit for OP, but having lived up that way I would never ever leave a bike unattended in my garden. Especially for 3hrs !
Could have been someone just passing who saw a great big bike box being unloaded. All they had to do was open a gate and walk off with it
McGee will get right on it Gibbs.
Unfortunately, the chances of it being properly investigated are very slim as its low value (to the police) and no other damage done (so low risk) unless there's been other reported thefts just after a delivery in that area and the police put 2+2 together.
That was kinda the point of my post.
You expect alot of a stretched police force to try and dig up that kind of information over a bike. A murder yes. Bike theft not so much.
^^^for sure I was totally complacent and am beating myself up with the things I should have done differently. I was literally the other side of a window 1m away when it was nicked, but in a work tunnel. Garden gate is kind of like a door in a fence you can't see over, and was bolted (but you can kind of poke your hand through.) Anyway, there's always an outside chance it may turn up.
why would you do that, it’s fraud.
You might not have to. Technically, you were in range, you had bought a new bike, you were building it and you took a call, you went inside, you weren't gone long and you weren't far away. It wasnt left, you were just pre occupied.
I guess it depends on the insurance company, my insurance is anything over £1000 needs to be named. Good luck.
Just to confirm OP, you were in the house when it was delivered right? Did you speak to the delivery driver / sign for the bike, or did they just open the gate themselves and drop it off for you?
kin ell
I think of my back garden as a private outdoor room. thats a shocking invasion of privacy.
hope you get a resolution
I think of my back garden as a private outdoor room. thats a shocking invasion of privacy.
Yep, but it’s West Yorkshire. You’re belongings aren’t yours if you leave them in reach of others. Theft here is silly.
Regardless though, it really sucks. Hope you can get something out of it OP.
Hell, that's a tough situation, and if this really is just an opportunist peeping over a garden gate in a relatively low crime bit of West Yorkshire at exactly the right moment, that's incredibly bad luck.
I can see how it's hard not to apply <cough> Occam's Razor to the situation.
Id think it was someone following the van rather than the van driver (or his mate).
Don’t know the layout of your street, could it have been obvious to an observer that you received this large box and then left it in the garden rather than taking it inside?
Anyone on your street with cctv/doorbell camera?
It may also be possible for it to be covered under a "contents in the garden" section of OP's contents policy. Limit will be low, however. If you need any help with the insurance side, feel free to share what policy you have and I'll take a look.
Yep, but it’s West Yorkshire. You’re belongings aren’t yours if you leave them in reach of others.
and this is so so true. you can not leave anything at all unless it is chained/bolted down.
how sad is that to think of the place you have chosen to live as such.
thieving bastards should have their ****ing hands chopped off as punishment like they do i some other countries.
Jesus that’s terrible.
Jesus that’s terrible.
You could contact TNT and ask them if the delivery guy noticed anything suspicious.
Subtle way if tell them what happened without accusing the guy.
Subtle way if tell them what happened without accusing the guy.
What happened is about as likely to do with the delivery guy as an asteroid strike.
Stuff gets nicked from gardens up and down the country thousands of times a day. It's sad but the chance of this being anything more than a toe rag spotting it being carried in or poking their head over thy fence is slim.
For it to be anything to do with the driver they'd have to know it was going to be unboxed, taken into the garden, left unattended and coincide with the same time the op was on a call and he happened to come back.
Otoh, sticky fingers on the way home from the bookie walks past, figures the weather is good so chances are people leave stuff like bikes in gardens, looks in them all on his way home - not that difficult to see over a 10' fence unless it's razor wired at the top - spots OP's bike, doesn't see op and thinks it's their lucky day.
Sure it might have been the tnt driver but given that the second option is common and the first is less so, chances are it's the second.
Thanks all for the sympathy. Replying as this is back at the top, will bump in a few days. Not optimistic, obviously.
Equally obviously I feel like an utter idiot and am replaying the many things I should have done differently, that's a given. Fwiw it's a small fully enclosed back garden and you'd have to be 3m tall to look over the gate, hence (false) feeling of security. You can see through the jasmine on the fence if you peer.
This bike cost more than twice any of my others, and I'd not yet put it on the insurance. (I'd twisted a cable in haste and was going to have to redo the bars before first ride.) The max it could be covered is £2.5k and I doubt I'll get that as I will basically give the same account I gave the police and on here. Hey ho. Even if I wanted to lie, I doubt my wife would approve and frankly I'd rather lose £4k than risk that. Trouble is that in the time it took to unbox I'd fallen in love with the thing...
Anyway, I've rejoined Facebook for marketplace, will be keeping an eye on eBay etc. And, er, that's it I guess. I'm still in denial, anger and the rest to go. Like I say, no one's hurt. It's only a bike 😭😭😭😭
Anyway, I’ve rejoined Facebook for marketplace,
On the up side it having no pedals means you'll probably buy it back for £10 because it doesn't work.
I'd stuck some wrong colour flats on though 😱
Probably not been nicked then, it'll have vaporised in a moment of karma.
Make sure you set some alerts up on stolen-bikes and https://findthatbike.co.uk/
A few members on here have been re-united.
I'd be suprised if no-one has seen someone walking with an expensive bike, I'm assuming you hadnt put any pedals on it as yuo were waiting for fancy bl;ue ones.
Might be worth asking TNT if they have dashcam footage so you can see the person who nicked it walking past
cheers for the findthatbike link - done.
had just chucked some white plastic with pins old DMRs on it and done a once round the block (I know), and fiddled with the dropper - enlisting help of guys at wheelbase over the road as I'm scared of droppers and internal cables. I will contact TNT, can't face it atm frankly as still in denial. Keep looking out the window expecting it to have come home.
are there any traffic or street camera's locally. or any neighbours got cctv.
may be worth a try.
Hopefully it’s just a lucky idiot who’s taken it and offloading it for a few quid, sounds like it as daylight with owner on the property, and a new bike that’s not being advertised points to this.
Police are useless unfortunately, best bet is getting the description out there to bike groups on Facebook, here, etc.
Yep, but it’s West Yorkshire. You’re belongings aren’t yours if you leave them in reach of others. Theft here is silly.
Balls! Maybe where you live, but certainly not all of it!
Ahh, you've just got nowt worth nicking 😉
Brother in laws flatmate had his road bikes nicked from outside their flat door, but they were stored behind another door that only accessed their flat (effectively a porch), so seemed most likely someone had delivered something and clocked the bikes.
Gaar, that's terrible! I'm in Skipton so will keep an eye out.
Get along your road and see if there are any RING or similar doorbells pointing at the street.
Get along your road and see if there are any RING or similar doorbells pointing at the street.
It’s Ilkley so bound to be 😏
Long shot, but it's not this one is it?
New. Rode once. New eBay account. Says they have the paperwork, maybe yours has the receipts in the box?
That eBay one is dodgy. Lowball BIN price, rubbish pics, 0 feedback.
I nearly had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago. New bike delivered by courier, driver brings box to front door and asks wife if she wants it taking round to the back door, she says no leave it there and I will bring it inside. She literally was 30 seconds putting her shoes on and when she goes to get it there’s this bloke in hi viz jacket with a big pair of gloves on walking down our path towards said box. He jumps over our hedge and starts banging next doors tree with his fist and says I’m just checking these trees for your neighbour. Which he wasn’t as I look after the old chap next door and I checked with him anyway. I checked my cctv and the couriers van had driven down our road to turn round, it’s a dead end, with the other guys van following 100 mtrs behind, as soon as the courier pulled up the other van pulled behind him.
Didn’t get a shot of his plates and my cameras were std definition at the time so didn’t get a great shot of him either.
This was in a quiet little village, and I could have had my bike nicked after less than a minute!
Really feel for you OP.
Only 60 miles away as well, mmmm.....
That said, on a second read it's a different model H30 / M30, cheaper model.
That's really crap OP.
It's a lovely looking bike and I shouldn't think there are many around. Definitely keep an eye out for some toe rag riding it round the local woods.
That ebay one looks like it's been on since before yesterday
Balls! Maybe where you live, but certainly not all of it!
Well we’ve had vans broken into in central Leeds and Ilkley in last 5.5 years; and on our street two attempted thefts from garages, a neighbours car nicked, another neighbour hose reel stollen (yes very random!) and catalytic converter stollen from another neighbours car in the last 1.5 years in what is considered a ‘nice’ bit of West Yorkshire near to Otley. Plus the last month I’ve had to report the most secure bike cage on campus being cut through, and an e-bike stollen. And during lockdown my several of my students computers stollen from a locked Uni building. So not just where I live! I like West Yorkshire a lot, but compared to the NE where I lived for 13 years before and never had an issue - theft is definitely ‘a thing’ by comparison.
OP I’ll keep an eye out through my local groups. Good luck
Stolen!😀
Stollen is something entirely different, and tasty.
Sorry to read this OP.
in a relatively low crime bit of West Yorkshire
West Yorkshire is unfortunately a shit hole. I say this as someone who was born and spent the first 30 odd years of their life working and living in various bits of it. No longer live there and rarely go back. It’s sad because it does have some lovely areas (surrounded by shite ones).
Sounds to me like your neighbours require further investigating:
Motive
Means
Opportunity
as the police would say...
stolen
Thanks for correcting my dyslexia!!
Thats shit luck mate , thing is I do this all the time and live in a fairly rough area. I usually come home from a ride dump my bike in the back garden then go and run a bath . You just dont think it will happen to you.
Hope you get it back .
West Yorkshire is unfortunately a shit hole
Completely agree unfortunately. I have lived on the outskirts of Bradford for large parts of my life. I left there 3 yrs ago
Crime is just awful.
Had 3 bikes stolen from garages/sheds. One of them was definitely the result of being followed. Had stuff taken from my car overnight when I forgot to lock it. Police just said it’s routine for people to go round every car/house just checking for unlocked doors
Had a nice drugged up chap jump over the neighbours fence in to our garden saying 3 Asian men were chasing him and going to kill him (tbh he look truly scared for his life)
I always checked if anyone was watching when riding home, or driving home with the bikes on the roof, never left bikes in the garden unattended
Where I live now is just polar opposite, people leave doors unlocked, neighbour leaves his bikes in an open shed etc
November 13 2020 (Sheffield) I had a brand new Bronson delivered by FedEx who own TNT and 6 hours later a hole had been smashed through through the rear of my garage wall and the Bronson and a Canyon hardtail eMTB were taken, the thieves exited via the roller shutter door, which they left half open, also leaving behind a sledgehammer and crowbar.Police investigated and neither bike ever seen again.
Its known that the scrotes follow the courier vans around and either watch what's being dropped off or wait for the driver to leave the keys in then nick his van. DPD lost one near me like that just a few weeks ago.
I added a reward on my stolenbike link and got mine back
Fingers crossed
I’m always dead wary riding back to my house and have been known to ride past if I’ve been clocked by someone who has done a double take look at my bike.
I’ve rushed out of the house barefoot before now when I thought I’d left my bike in the back garden and noticed it suddenly wasn’t there ( I’d previously put it in the shed but forgot!) and a bird flying past had caught my eye… me processing it incorrectly as a toe rag thieving my bike!
If I do leave my bikes in the garden ever such as cleaning the shed out etc I always lock them up as it’s just not worth risking it. It’s so easy to get distracted and a 2 minute job turns into a 2 hr call etc!
a bird flying past had caught my eye… me processing it incorrectly as a toe rag thieving my bike!
Jesus! How big was the bird?
So anyway, update... I started this thread as a howl of anguish basically and would edit the title if I could.
Seems unlikely I'll get anything on insurance (garden stuff covered to £1k but not bikes; were it in a locked house I could claim up to £2.5k, but the back door was open as I was working on it...) Hard to see how to escalate frankly, though I'll probably have a go - given what we spend and never having claimed it can't be great business to make me go elsewhere.
I've logged the bike as nicked on find my bike, and with orbea in case any warranty stuff comes up. That's basically all there is to do on that front. Neighbours saw a couple of furtive looking blokes but what, realistically, can the police be expected to do to follow that up? Just need to hope it pops up somewhere.
Anyway, main stupid thing I'd do differently is insure right away.
Which I'll do as I've ordered the same bike again from Sigma Sports who've knocked a bit off just out of sympathy, basically, which is incredibly nice of them.
And I'll be saving money on the purple pedals I'll now be able to use...
And I’ll be saving money on the purple pedals I’ll now be able to use…
Every cloud and all!
Big up Sigma Sports!
Big up the boring things like adequate insurance.
were it in a locked house I could claim up to £2.5k, but the back door was open as I was working on it…
That's unusual. Cover under a home policy for theft is usually "open". You were on site, doors open, so it's not like you were hugely careless. Requirements for the house to be locked would be negated when you're at home anyway (fire risk) unless the area is dodgy as ****.
The requirement for a lock is usually for dodgy areas when you're not home.
Hope you enjoy it. I've got one, it's a great all-rounder.
Cover under a home policy for theft is usually “open”. You were on site, doors open,
The bike was in the garden. Letter of the policy they say means they won't pay for a peddle cycle. Anything else in the garden they would. Thank you Leeds building society.
It's all just a nightmare, insurance will just get out of it any way they can, i had two bikes nicked from my (attached) garage about 3 years ago, they broke into the garage, cut the locks and cycled off, we'd changed our insurance not long before and had the discussion on the bikes, as they were under 5k apiece we thought you didn't have to name them on the policy, but it's only when you get bikes nicked that you find all those rules aren't in your favour, 'garages' was one of them, having to name them if they were in the garage was another, so basically got nothing and went for bikmo insurance instead, always amazes me how many of the terms and conditions contradict each other in some policies!
As for the bikes, not seen or heard of anything about them since, police were not much use, but they're not resourced for this crap these days, didn't even get a visit, just a phone call and then weirdly correspondence on a court case they linked to the bikes, which were for a completely different crime (actually a page full of crimes!), good news is that those lads got found guilty and told not to be naughty again.
I doubt it was delivery driver, more likely people following his van- maybe even in another one.
Well-done on ordering another OP. That is a good move, I think I would have cried for another six months 😐
Well-done on ordering another OP.
Hurts to do it tbh, but was unanimous advice of the pub, and my wife. Not necessarily in that order of priority.
The bike was in the garden. Letter of the policy they say means they won’t pay for a peddle cycle. Anything else in the garden they would.
Yes, but that's not what you said or what I was referring to.
Anyway, I hope the replacement bike is everything you want it to be.
Anyway, I hope the replacement bike is everything you want it to be.
Be extra careful with this one - it's not unknown for thieves to come back a week or two later, knowing (or guessing) that there'll be a brand new insurance replacement waiting for them.
Sorry to hear of this. It’s a rotten feeling, especially if the bike has been taken from your own property.
Insurance companies all seem to do things slightly differently. In 2014 I had three bikes taken from my garage. As they were all under £2k, i didn’t need to name them and they were insured for theft at home and away from the home.
When we came to claim, the insurance company told us that although the bikes were in an attached garage, they classed this as an outhouse and not home, so we were only due £1500 for the lot. When my wife spoke to the insurance company, she was told that we would have got full value for the bikes had they just been left, unlocked, in the garden. Fortunately when it was pointed out to them how ridiculous the policy wording was, they relented and gave me the full value of each bike. Very stressful.