I have Deore M6120 4 pots on my bike currently but they feel a bit underwhelming given the weight of the bike (Orbea Rise LT H10). I actually had the same brakes on my last bike and they were great, but that was an analogue hardtail which weighed a lot less.
Some better pads would probably help a lot on the Rise (as they did on my last bike) but my mate has a brand new set of Magura MT5s sitting doing nothing (he swapped to Hope before riding his new bike) which has me wondering about a Shigura set up.
Would MT5 callipers be a decent upgrade over M6120, and would it be worth it with M6120 levers or does it need SLX/XT to be effective?
Also, for the set up itself, I take it could just leave the current Shimano hoses in place and just fit the appropriate olives and barbs?
4 pot Magura caliper (not sure which model) works very well with a deore lever on the front of my Ebike
This is interesting. I've had all sorts of trouble with the Deore 6120s on my bike, I've been debating what to do with them.
Son has Shiguras, OTB tastic when I try to use them, compared to my Code RSCs
4 pot Magura caliper (not sure which model) works very well with a deore lever on the front of my Ebike
Good to know. Were Shimano or Magura brakes on the bike originally?
for the set up itself, I take it could just leave the current Shimano hoses in place and just fit the appropriate olives and barbs?
I used the Magura hose, you'll have to check whether you can fix the Shimano hose to a Magura calliper. You may need third party fittings.
Shigura is a great set up. Initial bleed was a pain for me but no problems since, just very powerful brakes up there with Dominion A4, Maven or MT7 that I also use.
I run Shigura with 6120 levers and mt5 calipers and they're great. The ferociousness of the initial bite is down to the levers (and pads, obvs)
Lower spec Shimano levers (MT500 and before iirc) don't have the Servo Wave stuff so you get a more gradual feed in of the initial bite. Iirc Deore and above do so it's a bit more aggressive.
I used Magura hose and caliper, Shimano lever. I think it was Magura barb/Olive but can't quite remember as it was a long time ago, sorry! But that's actually a good thing - it's because they were totally fit and forget and I haven't had to touch them except for an occasional bleed (I just gravity bled them)in about 5 years. A stark contrast to Shimano.
I can tell you that whatever the Uberbike white pads are were totally shite though!
I didn't think Magura used a particularly bigger caliper than Shimano so they shouldn't really be more powerful assuming all else is equal (discs, pads etc). My 6120's are incredibly powerful and consistent so something is clearly wrong with yours.
That being said, I love powerful brakes so I'm looking at the Shmaven (Shaven?) setup of putting Maven calipers on Shimano levers. Apparently Shimano levers create the highest brake pressure so with the biggest calipers should in theory be the most powerful brakes you could have.
Not tried them but UberBike sell actual Shigura hose sets.
https://uberbikecomponents.com/collections/shigura-hydraulic-hose-kits
Yeah I think something is not right with my 6120s. Maybe pad contamination, which is the next thing I'm going to try tweaking for.
Mine originally had the 2 pot deore caliper and I used the existing lever and hose
for the set up itself, I take it could just leave the current Shimano hoses in place and just fit the appropriate olives and barbs?
I used the Magura hose, you'll have to check whether you can fix the Shimano hose to a Magura calliper. You may need third party fittings.
Shigura is a great set up. Initial bleed was a pain for me but no problems since, just very powerful brakes up there with Dominion A4, Maven or MT7 that I also use.
Ideally I'd like to keep the Shimano hoses in place as it would be a bit of ball-ache to swap them.
@submarined That's what I like about Shimano, the initial bite.
I had Gorilla Brakes Enduro Pro Resin pads with XT IceTech rotors on my last set of Deore brakes and they were great.
A pad swap would probably be a great help on the new heavy bike, but I do like the idea of the MT5s that are sat doing nothing in my mates garage!
@dc1988 from what I've read a Shigura set up does offer a bit more power than straight up Shimano.
Shmaven/Shave sounds interesting too though!
@jeffl That's handy! I'll keep that in mind if there's no way to do it with the Shimano hoses in place.
@flyingmonkeycorps There's nothing actually wrong with mine. They've bedded in nicely, but don't feel as good on a heavier bike as they did on my last bike (pads and rotors will likely be playing a part in that too though, since I upgraded both on the last bike).
@StuE Did you need to do anything special to fit the Shimano hose to the Magura calliper?
Yeah I think something is not right with my 6120s. Maybe pad contamination, which is the next thing I'm going to try tweaking for.
it'll be contamination. Because they're Shimano calipers. So they leak.
Dead easy to run new brake hoses internally with the Reverb barb connector thingummyjig
https://share.google/AeW3rXV0tlZorOdIx
Just screw into the end of both the old & new hose and use the old one to pull through the new one. Job, jobbed
Dead easy to run new brake hoses internally with the Reverb barb connector thingummyjig
https://share.google/AeW3rXV0tlZorOdIx
Just screw into the end of both the old & new hose and use the old one to pull through the new one. Job, jobbed
It's not easy on my Rise. Admittedly it's an older version but there's no chance of pulling new hoses or cables through because of the routing under the battery and around the motor.
it's been awhile since I did the swap but I'm fairly sure the Shimano banjo fitting was the same as the Magura one@submarined That's what I like about Shimano, the initial bite.
I had Gorilla Brakes Enduro Pro Resin pads with XT IceTech rotors on my last set of Deore brakes and they were great.
A pad swap would probably be a great help on the new heavy bike, but I do like the idea of the MT5s that are sat doing nothing in my mates garage!
@dc1988 from what I've read a Shigura set up does offer a bit more power than straight up Shimano.
Shmaven/Shave sounds interesting too though!
@jeffl That's handy! I'll keep that in mind if there's no way to do it with the Shimano hoses in place.
@flyingmonkeycorps There's nothing actually wrong with mine. They've bedded in nicely, but don't feel as good on a heavier bike as they did on my last bike (pads and rotors will likely be playing a part in that too though, since I upgraded both on the last bike).
@StuE Did you need to do anything special to fit the Shimano hose to the Magura calliper?
I have two sets of Shigura’s, tried Shimano hoses for one set and had leaks, I now use Magura hoses, Magura barb, Shimano olive. Leak free, consistently strong braking and super easy bleed.
Galfer pads, TRP 2.3mm rotors for a quite frankly ridiculous amount of power.
The XT levers feel nicer than my older SLX set but I’m not sure there’s any actual difference in terms of power.
Weird, I posted on this last night but not seeing it now
I've used the Uberbike hoses with my TRimanos* for a few years and they've been grand.
I'm likely to move to MT5 calipers in the near future (due to a scary amount of flex in the TRP calipers, but maybe thats why the modulation is great...) and all it'll need is a new bonjo bolt to make the change.
£140 gets you a full set of (2 finger version, 1 finger are £180) MT5 brakes from the seller on Pinkbike at the moment. I'm not seeing just the calipers any cheaper at the moment, and you get free lever assemblies to put in the spares bin
*XT levers, TRP calipers
@Bens I bought that Rockshox barb specifically to run hoses with my Orbea Rise
Just a thought...
MT5 calipers are around £70 each. Decent pads are £21-25
MT7 calipers are around £90 each.
Other than being a bit yellow (fixable), any reason to not just jump straight to the MT7s?
Just a thought...
MT5 calipers are around £70 each. Decent pads are £21-25
MT7 calipers are around £90 each.
Other than being a bit yellow (fixable), any reason to not just jump straight to the MT7s?
I'd get the MT5 complete brakeset for peanuts for my mate.
Other than being a bit yellow (fixable), any reason to not just jump straight to the MT7s?
I can’t tell any difference between my MT5 and MT7 callipers other than the colour and the MT5 came with one piece pads that are a little bit of a fiddle to remove/replace whilst the MT7 came with the two piece pads. (Pads are interchangeable between the two)
No motor dropping was needed. Needed a bit of patience though!
Pulling and pushing the hoses together seemed to be the trick