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“”as it’s easily noticeable when someone’s ripping along with their feet up, not pedaling.
“thats every e-bike i’ve ever seen.””
I don’t know where you hang out but I think I’ve seen one person riding one of those illegal no-pedalling-required ebikes and dozens and dozens on proper ebikes.
****ers.
The question is surely:
Are the Swinley trails a suitable place for electric MX bikes with 7kw & a top speed of 50mph? The answer is no, they is not suitable for purpose built MTB trails ANYWHERE.
Swinley is rammed to the gills with users of all kinds of all kinds of abilities - have a care & respect rule no 1.
(I don’t necessarily have an issue with these bikes in the appropriate environment.)
Swinley is rammed to the gills with users of all kinds of all kinds of abilities – have a care & respect rule no 1.
I think the issue with e-bikes at Swinley is the 'good' bits are easy to string together in a shorter loop. Coupled with the higher average speed means more interactions with them*.
So every time you go you get overtaken by a tit on an e-bike, or someone blatantly with throttle control not peddling. And annoyingly frequently, e-bike going the wrong way.
Ironically e-bikers may well not see other e-bikers being tits for the same reason the rest of us don't see the idiots on normal bikes. Because they're going the same speed so far less likely to meet each other.
*However fit/unfit you are you're only ever going to interact with the people who set off +/- 10min of you on normal bikes.
Nah, I just don’t like pricks on Motorbikes knackering trails built specifically for MTBs, causing conflict with walkers and probably contributing to people’s general dislike of bikes… So **** em, I hope their toys get confiscated.
+1 and well expressed.
People take their kids on those trails (and many others where no doubt these ass-hats will start appearing).
It's clearly a motor vehicle and wants using, insuring and licensing as such. This isn't about "cheeky" trails it is primarily about the potential to do serious damage to humans with a higher speed, higher mass vehicle. The trail damage is a pisser but it's secondary to the other human issues imo.
Had someone go past me on my walk in area that is too busy to ride my bike on Saturday afternoon.
You could follow where he had been as it looked like he had skidded after every corner but it's where he had put the power down.
So if they went 15.5mph max and where fitted with MTB parts would you lot think differently? Personally I’m for them if they aren’t crazy fast. Red socks don’t like us anyway this won’t change anything.
You could follow where he had been as it looked like he had skidded after every corner but it’s where he had put the power down.
Guy on the gate at chicksands said similar about ebikes, not sure I really see the problem as once you’ve dug a trail/footpath/bridleway you’ve caused damage.
Are they actually usable in the same way an MX bike is or are they to heavy?
So if they went 15.5mph max and where fitted with MTB parts would you lot think differently? Personally I’m for them if they aren’t crazy fast. Red socks don’t like us anyway this won’t change anything.
So if they were something completely different? It's 12x the power, 3x the speed, 3x the weight (and proportionally chunkier tyres).
It's not an "e-bike" (and I'm not a massive fan of those at trail centres to begin with).
Guy on the gate at chicksands said similar about ebikes, not sure I really see the problem as once you’ve dug a trail/footpath/bridleway you’ve caused damage.
Because the whole purpose of digging a trail* rather than just riding over the dirt is the effort you put in is paid back in it not becoming an erroded mess.
*as opposed to features.
Nah, I just don’t like pricks on Motorbikes knackering trails built specifically for MTBs, causing conflict with walkers and probably contributing to people’s general dislike of bikes… So **** em, I hope their toys get confiscated.
This...
Guy on the gate at chicksands said similar about ebikes
Ebikes ain't blowing out corners. That'll be the berm schralp.
So if they went 15.5mph max and where fitted with MTB parts would you lot think differently?
Then they’d be an eMTB with 250w of power rather than eMX with 7000w & a top speed of 50mph.
It’s not the same thing.
Are they actually usable in the same way an MX bike is or are they to heavy?
They’re a lot lighter than a motocross or enduro bike but of course they don’t have the power, suspension, brakes or handling - I reckon that if you’ve ever ridden a decent off-road bike you’ll be pretty disappointed with one of these things.
Mind you, that guy in the video blathering on about his RM250 didn’t exactly look in peak competition shape either....
If I wanted something to razz around on illegal trails I’d buy myself a 280 Gas Gas TXT Pro or something decent like that - not one of these heaps of shit. At least it would be far more capable than I am now (or ever was, come to that).
As someone has already pointed out in this thread its worth subscribing to Delux or whatever he calls himself YT feed to see the general skirting around of rules etc
A few things I have noticed;
- Its fast on the straight and flat and also uphills where its not too technical.
- Its slower on the downhills at Swinley than an averagely ridden MTB.
- On jumps/tabletops its making obvious marks on landing (which is not good).
- It seems to break down a lot.
- Its bloody heavy and will do hell of a lot of damage if it hits someone on the trail at full whack.
- Delux rides it on the pavement when he has too rather than the road.
- The noise it makes is a bit er strange.
These things are not suitable for proper MTB trails.....
...and he hits 40mph+ on the road quite often if his display is mph. On knobblies with not very good brakes (looking at reviews).
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– Its slower on the downhills at Swinley than an averagely ridden MTB.
I suspect that's more down to opperator skill. It's never going to be as manouverable, but he does seem to make hard work of it.
I take back any last vertige of suport for him 🤣 he's one of those people that sees the big* table top on 15 and thinks "this would be a good place to stop"!
(3:50, the YouTube app doesn't let you link at a time).
*the camera flattens it, if you're not crawling along like him then you're hitting it very fast and the landing is very long!
To be a little bit less "pitch-fork" he does sound like a young kid, and we've all done dumb things as kids. He's probably no idea about access laws or what trails he should or shouldn't be riding*. Some-one needs to have a chat with him fo'shure, before he hurts some-one, or himself, or gets his collar felt, which if he keeps posting videos of himself riding around Swinley will probably happen sooner rather than later,
*Yep, it's no excuse I know, but we all have to start somewhere.
Man, they look like a bunch of ****ers riding where they shouldn't. One of those hassled me on a trail I don't think I'd be responsible for my actions.
Thing is, we get a lot of (illegally ridden) MX bikes over my local thicket and I'm not bothered about them whizzing around on the fields, but where they ride on the actual footpaths and bridleways, they dig gullys in the middle of the (nicely built by the council) paths. It wrecks them, makes massive puddles, and water runs down the gullies like a river. Only a matter of time before the Swinley trails are wrecked in a similar way.
That video posted by tinas is just embarrassing, why would you post that publicly?! 😆
I'm sure this is all justified by the users using the same "F" word as our ebiking chums. And as long as people are having their F, who are we to dislike them. The ****s. 😆
He clearly knows it’s illegal on the road (he mentions that to one of the guys he talks to on the video) and he also knows he shouldn’t be riding round Swinley on it. He’s also an appalling rider and seems to be sat down on it for most of the time.
No time for this sort of thing at all - especially if he’s hitting 50mph along an access road in Swinley where he doesn’t know where the mtb trails are - so someone (kids / families particularly) could pop out of one onto the fireroad not expecting quite a quiet e-motorbike tanking along at 50mph on it.
So if they went 15.5mph max and where fitted with MTB parts would you lot think differently?
Yeah..and if my auty had bollox she'd be my uncle...!!!
These electic MXers (well, the riders) look a right pain. THey're motorbikes, pure and simple. They are completely motorised (be that an electric motor, or IC motor), and should be classed as such.
It's the equivalent of boxing a Tesla in the same class as a pedal cart!
DrP
He does seem like a nice enough guy and is very polite and seemed courteous to other users (much more polite than many bikers I’ve met at trail centres and in the Alps, I can’t fault that, but it’s the wrong vehicle for the trails.
And you’re right it does sound strange, neither bike or moto but more like one of those battery powered Porsches that rich toddlers get for Xmas.
I was surprised to see how other riders seemed to react to him at Swinley especially on another one of his videos.
They seemed quite accepting of what he was doing and just took an interest in the bike. No one seemed to challenge him on what he was doing.
He does seem like a nice enough guy and is very polite and seemed courteous to other user
Yeah, where his fat mate purposely goes close to the woman and child after the cattle grid... Very polite and courteous.
Anyway, youtube now thinks I want to see more videos of these cockcarriers, so I'm going to watch loads of different stuff to get rid of them.
Good lord I've seen 8 yearolds on rigid 20inchers do R15 better than that. How much travel and what brakes do those surons have? Looks like MTB downhill brakes on 220 disks, and DH forks.
Does the bike suck, or does he?
He does seem like a nice enough guy
He does. Has 1.12 million subscribers to his other gaming channel, so that's his money-earner I suspect.
Not a motorbike.
Yeah, right. But only 15 seconds slower (6%) on a 4 min lap than a 250cc motorcross bike.
We have had one causing upset amongst the walkers at JMCP, Dunbar recently. I am getting twitchy about a backlash against the fat biking, especially with the rash of no cycling signs going up right now.
An electric car is a car. An electric motorbike that you don’t pedal is a motorbike.
He’s probably no idea about access laws or what trails he should or shouldn’t be riding*.
However he is busy deleting any comment he can that has links the law of the land, threads on the owners facebook club, or even just clear 'you are breaking both the law and rule No.1' comments. So he is actively avoiding taking responsibility.
I'll just leave this here:
They are motorbikes.
The Suron website sells them as electric motorbikes.
There isn't a question over this and so by law you cannot use them on bridleways. End of.
I could throw an insulting name in here but think most have this covered.
All these electric gubbins should by law say " not legal for use in public areas or roads" stamped on them and a big **** off sign in the shop that sells them.
One of those hassled me on a trail I don’t think I’d be responsible for my actions.
putting a strongly worded post on the internet? 😉
That TINAS vid is hilarious, just after the tabletop stop he ponders how people ride it on normal bikes it’s so rough! Swinley’s yellow brick road rough?!
In the original vid you can see that every time his mate twists the throttle on the flat it’s ripping up the fire road, and every tight corner it’s foot out which no doubt will kick out the back and roost the trail.
Looking at his insta account he’s 21 so old enough to know better, but clearly new to the ‘sport’ and pretty ignorant of the host of issues that blasting an eMX bike around public roads and heavily used open recreational space causes.
Suron market the bikes as having parts interchangeable with DH bikes. I think this helps promote the misguided idea amongst users that this makes it an ebike rather than eMX.
the brakes on that thing look woefully inadequate for it's weight and speed, I doubt you could make it pass a MSVA so could never be road legal.
the brakes on that thing look woefully inadequate for it’s weight and speed
looks like magura DH brakes, 203mm rotors listed on the site, not 220, on a tyre thats 15% smaller than a 29er, so better leverage on the wheel. Including the rider they are going to be about 15% to 20% heavier.
Ive never ridden an electric motorcycle, as the motor is direct drive to the wheel, will there be an aspect of engine braking to use as a kind of drag brake?
from MSVA
13. Assess the capability of the brake friction surfaces, without dismantling, to
dissipate energy sufficiently to maintain the brake performance under all
conditions, including long descents, without the occurrence of “brake fade”.Note. This assessment must take account of the vehicle’s weight, weight
distribution and speed capacity
No actual figures given. If a brake can do the Mega, I'd personally find it acceptable on one of these. (Subject to riding it legally and not being a ****, obvs.)
No actual figures given.
see 21 Annex 1 - Brake Performance
If the person on his motorbike rides it 10 feet in public without breaking any other laws what is the perp going down for?
I’m thinking uninsured , unregistered , what else? Are we looking at a ban?
I often see this burke in my local woods riding a hideous B52 ebike/escooter. He clearly hasn't a clue as he's got slicks on it and must struggle as 90% of the wood is mud.
Watched up until the bit where the fat guy was saying "what's the difference between this and a pushbike" before accelerating to over 20mph without pedalling.
Complete bell-ends.
Unisured does all sorts of 'interesting' things to your premium at renewal time, if you can get a company to quote.
He said at one point he doesn't drive. Do 6 points go on provisional if you don't actually have a licence?
i know someone who had 6 points 'waiting' for him and his provisional license, following a driving misdemeneaur..ban and fines, before even having a license.
DrP
I received a court summons for no insurance when I was a lot younger. Smashed my M/C up and was borrowing a friends when I was pulled over. I was a young ignorant fool.
I received 6 points for no insurance and around a £400 fine. This was in 1988/9 I think.
I went to get insured next time around and feared the worst but insurer said it doesn't affect the premium at all because I was buying insurance.
I think if you don't have a license and get awarded points for a motoring offence, they appear on your licence whenever you decide to get one.
"No actual figures given."
see 21 Annex 1 – Brake Performance
I stand corrected, however, from there:
Any braking system will be considered to have met the performance requirements if
more than half the wheels lock.
How you effectively check the front wheel locks on a 2 wheeled vehicle without crashing it is a question?
I went to get insured next time around and feared the worst but insurer said it doesn’t affect the premium at all because I was buying insurance.
Things have definitely changed since the 80s in that case. Putting a driving without insurance disclosure on your insurance is a sure way to get (rightly) hammered by the premium