[Closed] Sauron at swinley.

Yeah I saw that the other day and commented on the video actually. Just noticed I got called a Karen for my troubles too 😂

Obviously they would be an insane amount of fun, but are a disaster for mtb trails, especially in sensitive areas.

Damage through sheer torque, speed and so naturally trail conflict.
A quick Google suggests 200nm torque and 49kg.
Compared to your average pedal assist ebike about twice on both counts plus a bit more.

I think the dude in the video compares them to regular ebikes which clearly they are nothing like.

This I can only see becoming more of a problem in the future.

Add it to the list... 😐

These are electric motorbikes, aren’t they? Not legal or appropriate for riding on MTB trails.

They do look pretty cool but you'd have to be a complete throbber to ride one round Swinley

Well certainly the rider we can see fits the complete throbber look and attitude.  Tenuous argument that they’re no different from bikes!

Special mention to the guy at the bottom of babymaker who fell straight out of bmx bandits.  That’s some matchy matchy kit and bike going on.

“it’s an ebike” ffs grow and pair and at least admit what it actually is

Pretty brave to have your license plate in the video of you breaking the law. (on the van, near the start) 😳

Pair of throbbers.

I get the rage at these things. Maybe the same rage that pedal riders get for a legitimate ebikes
It's an Mx bike, regardless of electric or petrol powered.
But I'm sure petrol Mx bikes have been ridden where they shouldn't be for years and at least these are quiet. Not that I'm defending them, personally I would like to see them taken from them and crushed.

They must know that they are not meant to ride them there so why go when you know there will be plenty of people there? if your going to ride those kind of bikes where your not allowed then do it early in the morning or evenings during the week

Moto x bikes have been ridden illegally near me since before i was born (im in my 40's) but they keep away from main paths and have their own tracks, the police clamp down now and again but most of the time they are left alone and do no harm to anyone

Pretty surprised no one has reported them to the police and Swinley's crown estate and shown them their own footage, wouldn't be hard to trace them given one of them owns the Youtube account and the other has his van reg clearly shown in the vid

Slightly disappointed that the van is taxed and MOT’d

Complain about the issue to the local police force. Most have a facebook page. Linking to the video evidence helps. If the powers that be don't know then it isn't a problem.
Same with the idiots in cars that deliberately abuse or ram cyclists.
If it's leads to the occasional police presence in trail centre car parks on their 'beat' then could help deter the odd bike theif too.

They look a lot of fun, in the right environment.

Sold by "Stag" https://stagmotorcycles.co.uk/ which is a motorcycle shop.

But I ride my bicycle on ground I'm not supposed to, so I'm confused about making any moral judgement on this 🤷‍♂️

But I ride my bicycle on ground I’m not supposed to, so I’m confused about making any moral judgement on this 🤷‍♂️

Riding a bike on a footpath or private woods is civil trespass at worst.
Riding one of these things on or off road is a criminal offence.

So I'm not conflicted in the slightest!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron

As everyone else says they're a motorcycle, except they're not even licensed for road use according to the suron website, so the only place you can use them without breaking the law is private land.

Very dodgy behaviour riding them round swinley and on the roads around there. Won't be long before they get caught.

My comments were met with a wall of 'karen' and 'it's electric and a bike, it's an ebike'.... And have now been deleted.

I think this will become a bigger and bigger issue as more and more of these things are sold.

There's enough selfish and stupid individuals that reporting to police is the only way.

A friend of mine bought two of these last year (one each for him and his wife). He’s spent some time trying to convince me that they’re great but, from the short razz around in his field that I had, I’m unconvinced. Ride nothing like an enduro/mx bike or a trials bike, pretty crap brakes, no clutch, - underwhelming in an understatement.
I did ask him where he plans to use them, since it’s a mile up the road to the nearest forestry (so illegal there then) and illegal once he’s in the forest too, although he did say that he met a forestry guy who didn’t give him any hassle and was just interested in what it was. This was probably just someone who couldn’t give a monkey’s though...
I’m sure that if some member of the public informed the law then they’d be far more than interested “and how did you get it to here anyway sir? Oh, up this here road?

No, I can’t be too “holier than thou” because bitd I rode trials bikes pretty much everywhere, legal or not, as did most of us.
But at least they were (mostly) road legalish,and insured.

****ers.

Oh and both wheels on the van parked with just the edge on the kerb. Can't even park properly ****ers.

Seeing increasing numbers of e-motorbikes on our local trails. Even right in the middle of Rivington terraced gardens - a bit of a visitor honey pot for those who don't know it.

Police make a decent effort to stop MXers, so I hope a few of these get confiscated as well.

As long as they are no quicker than an ebike (20mph?) and use MTB parts I don’t see a problem. People don’t like change shocker.

TBH, the "Swinley" bit I dont actually mind. If they stick to Babymaker in summer then it's mostly kicking up a bit of dust and probably knocking the edge off the ruts 🤷‍♂️

But inevitably they'll ride the other bits and at other times too. The mid section of 15 struggles in winter (lots of braking), and the flatter more boring trails probably present a bit of a challenge (seagull i/ii/iii, Satan's grotto and they don't hold up at all well in winter even under normal bikes).

I think they have a niche, but piggybacking on 'free' MTB infrastructure isn't it. I'm sure they would be an absolute hoot if you could build a bike park for them, but without being constrained by needing such large elevation.

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As long as they are no quicker than an ebike (20mph?) and use MTB parts I don’t see a problem. People don’t like change shocker.

I'm assuming sarcasm, as no, they use a 70/100-19 motorbike tyre, and do 45mph.

In terms of performance they're closer to a derestricted 50cc motorbike.

As long as they are no quicker than an ebike (20mph?) and use MTB parts I don’t see a problem. People don’t like change shocker.

45mph top speed.

As long as they are no quicker than an ebike (20mph?) and use MTB parts I don’t see a problem. People don’t like change shocker.

There is the rub - these things are faster, have a lot more torque to rip up trails, and change where that speed is applied.

Suron max power =6000watts and not legally classed as a bicycle, not legally classed as anything as far as I know so can only be used on private land.
Ebike, max power = ~500watts and complies with legislation to allow them to be legally classed as a bicycle so can be used anywhere a bicycle can

They may as well be riding a yamaha 250cc mx bike through swinley, its just as legal.

As long as they are no quicker than an ebike (20mph?)

15.5mph is the UK legal limit for an ebike. Do you think these things are limited to that?

I can only assume confusion between a UK legal emtb and an electric Mx bike must come from those who know nothing about emtb.
250w and chassis stickered to that effect, no throttle, 15.5mph.
It would be a bit tragic if mtb riders thought these things were classed as bicycles. That what the surron riders claim they are if they fit a pedal kit.

Do you think these things are limited to that.

In this instance no, but I’d have no problem with a similar contraption that was limited and wasn’t pedalled. I thought the OP was upset that they weren’t pedalled. TBF the guys in the video are going slower than most bike riders down that flow track.

Almost worth subscribing to his channel for the inevitable 'i was just riding around Camberley and my bike was confiscated' video.

I did see one video on those saying it was restricted to 25kph. Those aren't though, obviously.

15.5mph is the UK legal limit for an ebike. Do you think these things are limited to that?

15.5mph is the point where assist stops, you can go as fast as you like conditions permitting such as down a big hill on a national speed limit road. Just as you can on any bicycle.

People don’t like change shocker.

Or just people don't like motorbikes on the trails.

The public Facebook page sur-ron / Segway owners UK is rife with their bellendery unfortunately.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/SurronownersUk

That's a lot of dislikes for the number of likes. Think that speaks for itself.

15.5mph is the point where assist stops, you can go as fast as you like conditions permitting such as down a big hill on a national speed limit road. Just as you can on any bicycle

Thank you. I was being lazy and not typing a complete reply.

lol @ the ebike limit, the only ones i've ever seen are chipped.

It’s basically (or actually) an electric MX bike. There’s no argument for them being on an MTB trail, footpath, bridleway that doesn’t allow petrol powered MX bikes.

I’m sure they’re great fun if you’re somewhere that you can let rip and go. Just the same as an MX bike is but MTB trails aren’t that place.

I have nothing against e-bikes and if I could afford the money (abs time) I’d get one as a second bike, but these definitely are not them.

And if the public start lumping them in with MTB and e-bikes it’s only going to do the image of the sport and access lots of problems.

Although a restricted version or something similar would be great for people with a disability that doesn’t allow them to pedal (Martyn Ashton being the prime example) but want to try/return to MTB

Even thier own owners group, in amongst the plums, have threads on making these things legal or where you can ride them.

For example:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/SurronownersUK/permalink/796014791152153/

First Class 🛎 end riding one of those round Swinley.

It’s an electric MX bike pure & simple.

And if the public start lumping them in with MTB and e-bikes it’s only going to do the image of the sport and access lots of problems.

I recognise this concern but I'd actually give landowners and walkers more credit, as it's easily noticeable when someone's ripping along with their feet up, not pedaling.

Might even have some use as a common enemy, IYKWIM.

as it’s easily noticeable when someone’s ripping along with their feet up, not pedaling.

thats every e-bike i've ever seen.

I love all the "I've never had any complaints" self justifications immediately after someone complains...

People don’t like change shocker.

Nah, I just don't like pricks on Motorbikes knackering trails built specifically for MTBs, causing conflict with walkers and probably contributing to people's general dislike of bikes... So **** em, I hope their toys get confiscated.

In this instance no, but I’d have no problem with a similar contraption that was limited and wasn’t pedalled

Also bear in mind that they weight 50kg

thats every e-bike i’ve ever seen.

Really?

I see tons on my local rides, all the normal pedal-assist type.

Have you been seeing e-motorbikes?

Yep only people on ebikes not pedalling on road and off. never actually seen an e-motorbike. Saw an e-scooter with pedals flailing like a food mixer doing about 45 up hill once.

I love all the “I’ve never had any complaints” self justifications immediately after someone complains…

Exactly the response I got when I had words with a knob on one of these last year.

Funnily enough it then turned out that Del, of this parish, had had similar words with the same bloke a few weeks earlier at a different spot.

So they'll lie through the teeth to try and excuse themselves, but guarantee they know they're in the wrong.