[Closed] Q,if a car was blocking a bridleway....and

Are you sure about that last statement? 🙂

So you left a note with mobile no. on then?

Was it an accident or a malicious act?

All things considered, probably not. There may be a very valid reason for them parking in such a way as to cause an obstruction but somehow I doubt it.

However prepare yourself for threats of being owned by bombers or being beaten to within an inch of your life by Hora and other petrol heads who seem to view cars as sacred objects with considerably more value than *anything* else.

Report it and get it towed away?

A bridleway is a highway, so must be kept clear.

it was a accident, but my initial thought was 'serves the **** right'.
it is next to a call center, they dump their cars there everyday because there is not enough parking space.

Cheaper for the driver than the parking ticket he/she should have got.

Bridleway entrance I use alot is often blocked by socer dads Audis, its just seen as somewhere to park. If they get scraped by my brake lever tough sh1t, but I wouldnt do it on porpoise.

I once nearly crashed into a pickup truck parked about 100 yds from teh road up a bridleway.

I may have been distracted by the feet pressed against the windscreen and the hairy arse bobbing up & down between them!

as scruff, i wouldnt do it on purpouse, but theyve parked in an inconsiderate manner, i had taken enough effort to avoid scratching my bike, and it still gets knocked off, tough tits. I wouldnt loose any sleep over it.

you and they should chalk it down as a UCAS point for the university of life

i once parked in an entrance to a bridelway. i'd blown a tyre at about 6 in the evening, and found the spare flat too. i tried to get the car recovered, but the aa wouldn't come out due to flat spare ( cheers! ). the car was parked right over to one side, and there was room to get a vehicle through.
i returned the next day with a mate to remove the wheel and get a new tyre ( shredded wall ). chap up the road came out and started laying into me verbally. apparently the farmer had all sorts of trouble getting his tractor in and out ( unfortunately this was the very day he was harvesting ). i asked him if he had moved my car, as it wasn't where i had parked it. he quietened down. i guess the farmer hooked up to the car and dragged it out a bit to make his life easier - fair enough, and i didn't care about the car. If he'd have taken my mirror off though, i'd be getting his details.

Cheaper for the driver than the parking ticket he/she should have got.

But to the original question, I would like to think that I would leave my details and pay for the damage but in reality I suspect I would just carry on and curse the owner of the car for blocking a right of way. I am not as principled as I would like 😉

(which is what has happened three times to my car parked on the road, perfectly legally, outside my house)

Ok - put it the other way round.

Your bike is blocking a drive way entrance so a driver knocks it and breaks your bars/shifter or somesuch.

You cannot honestly say you would havethe same attitude the other way around.

If a trail obstruction is present then surely its better just to leave a small note and suggest other parking options may be available.

All this justification for what is basically vandalism and wilful damage (you had the option to get off and safley push past) is shameful and reeks of an arrogance unbecoming of gents who apparently like to quote ceratin laws like the validity of bridelways but not peoples right not to have their cars damaged.

tits.

my apologies for poor spelling in case the sanctimonious righteous fools crop up.

[i]"A bridleway is a highway, so must be kept clear."[/i]

A Bridleway is actually a Right of Way, not a Highway. That means it is a route along which you have a right to pass and repass over owned land. It should not be obstructed and you should report the obstruction to the local RoW Department. May be difficult for them to deal with though if it is only a temporary obstruction which changes from day to day; perhaps suggest that they should notify the business that their staff shouldn't obstruct the RoW with their cars.

Doubt if the police would be interested about the obstruction because it would be a civil offence, not a criminal offence, since it is on private land and the car driver may have the permission of the landowner to park there.

As to knocking off the mirror, that's up to your moral judgement. Perhaps leave an (anonomous) note suggesting that it wouldn't of happened if they had more respect for where they park and not block a RoW. That'd teach 'em 😉

in case the sanctimonious righteous fools crop up.

LOL! Sweet irony.

what is basically vandalism and wilful damage

Erm, but that's not how Ton explained the situation. I suspect you'd have a very different attitude if it were a large dog rather than a car blocking the BW.

jfeb - Yes, I did think after I'd posted that I could well be wrong!

It is a difficult one. I had an incident with a driver on a road which resulted in her wing mirror being broken (completely unintentional) - she reported it to the police and they camped out on the route until they saw me and I was arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage, the desk officer also asked whether I was to be charged with failing to stop at the scene of an accident. Luckily they saw sense and the charge was dropped, but it would appear that the incident constituted an accident and I should have stopped and reported it to the police there and then - not that the car driver stopped (I did ask whether she was also going to be charged with failing to stop).

So, if you use the route regularly I would wacth out for the police. Might be worth reporting it first though to state that it occurred and it was unintentional.

If they always park there and block it, then I would report it to the local Council Right of Way officer and you could also send the company a letter stating that you have done that. They might take action against their staff themselves - though doubt it in reality.

[i]Ok - put it the other way round.

Your bike is blocking a drive way entrance so a driver knocks it and breaks your bars/shifter or somesuch.

You cannot honestly say you would havethe same attitude the other way around.[/i]

I don't get this one. My bike [b]wouldn't[/b] be blocking a drive way entrance. If it were, I'd expect someone to move it/drive into it. I'd be a c*nt to leave it where it was blocking something.

Did they park there on purpose? Who knows really. If you did it by accident if It was me I would of left a note with a mobile number etc. The reason I would is if it was my car I would be pretty peeved!

How many of you ride with a pen and paper?

Can't say I do, don't think they'd be to happy if I scratched my number into the paint work with my multi tool.

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... reeks of an arrogance unbecoming of gents who apparently like to quote ceratin laws ...

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Ahhh good point Jackass 😀

Step back a second, the fact that the car owner may have been inconsiderate doesn't excuse your own carelessness in damaging the car. So pay up imo.

How many of you ride with a pen and paper?

I do - in my first aid kit - how else do you record difficult medical stuff and times, Grid Refs etc when the sh*t hits the fan?

if the car is still there when i go home i will be leaving my phone no and name.

Oh ffs, I wouldn't worry about it! Shouldn't have parked there, selfish gits. If there car's been 'accidentally' damaged, whilst parked illegally, they wouldn't be able to claim off the insurance anyway. Just forget about it.

And shit on their bonnet, next time...

If you were any good a riding a bike you'd have hopped up on to the bonnet, pulled a super sweet manual across the top of the car then pulled a slick as 180 nose tap drop off, roll-back reversal then rolled away.

Amateurs.

If it is still there when you go home i will have it for banger racing!

Step back a second, the fact that the car owner may have been inconsiderate doesn't excuse your own carelessness in damaging the car. So pay up imo.

Thanks Nick - that was exactly the point i was trying to make.

good man.

And shit on their bonnet, next time...

Twonk.

 

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So, tell me, why should someone trying to get past an illegally parked car, which is obstructing their right of way, have to pay, if said car gets damaged in the process? If the police or Fire Brigade needed to move it, to gain access, and it got damaged, ittud be tough shit. Remember, we're talking accidental damage here, not deliberate.

I'm with sootyandjim; that's a great idea!

I hope you were wearing your helmet!

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[i]If there car's been 'accidentally' damaged, whilst parked illegally, they wouldn't be able to claim off the insurance anyway[/i]

Apart from the obvious grammar errors I agree with Rudeboy here. If s/he hasn't taken the trouble to park their car properly then they can't care too much about it. Therefore I wouldn't bother leaving any details. Unless of course you are setting a trap and have the intention of bumming them senseless as a lesson for their inconsideration. Dry, of course...

I either run of cycle to work every day and I go past a specific premises everyday and their vans park nose to tail all along the verge, pavement and block pavement access along a public right of way and main cycle route with single and double yellow lines the length of the section in question.

I've contacted local parking enforcement, the council's 'ActionLine', council employees inc. one who's a CTC rep, local councilor, the local police and the management of the company myself in person and all I've seen is 2 parking tickets.

I've lost count of the number of times I've struggled to get along the pavement, nearly got knocked over nearly stepping in to the road with zero visibility to find a car or HGV heading for me and been pulled out on when on my bike by one of their vehicles as they themselves have next to no visibility coming out of their yard 'cos of their stupid parking.

I've just about given up trying to get anything sorted via proper channels. I'm at the stage where I just want to start pulling mirrors off and running over bonnets. I wish I had the skills to hop my bike across their bonnets too.

none of the official routes I've contacted so far give a toss, the majority don't even reply at all.
arrghhhhh!
Rant over! [Takes a deep breath]
Point is, in my experience it's a waste of your time and effort to report it

Rip the mirror off and maybe they’ll think again next time!

I wont mention pushing a pram down the pavement with cars blocking it forcing you to go round it on the road with mini-me. Same thing. Selfish twunts.

[selfrighteous]personally i find it a little galling to have keep telling my (small) kids to take care as they cycle on the pavement past park cars that are leaving space for cars to maintain speed on the road but don't care a toss about people using the pavement[/selfrighteous]

if it is a regular obstruction i would report it - one problem is planning peep's (don't all shout at me!) following government guidelines restrict parking on new business developments - assumption i believe being this encourages use of public transport / cycling etc - all it does is create problems in adjacent roads ... and oh yes people are lazy and inconsiderate... Ton should have his bike clips taken away for lack of attention

I don't much care for the post hoc justifications. Ultimately, it's hard to understand how this happened "accidentally" as opposed to carelessly (fair do's if iot did), but it sounds like it was in some sense your fault that it happened, although it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been parked there. I'd offer to pay, you're offering to pay. All good.

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29er/Scruff:
Me and old gf used to return to her stables after a hard day at horse trials, knackered, tired irritable both us/ horse, and desperate to go home. Always could never go down lane due to cricketers parking stupidly all along it, would never move for us and horse box.
Came home one day - road clear what??????
Later on learned that local farmer had same trouble trying to get tractor and baler through earlier that evening. He went into the club house whilst cricketers 'at tea' and no one would move despite polite request to move their cars.
He simply said " ok, no need to ruin your tea. I 'spec I can get the tractor through, not sure about the baler tho........"
As he ambled back to his tractor he was almost knocked over in the stampede to get their Beamers out the way of his baler!!!!!
Blockages are a pain in the @rse metaphorically and litterally!
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So, tell me, why should someone trying to get past an illegally parked car, which is obstructing their right of way, have to pay, if said car gets damaged in the process?

Presumably most people, inc Ton are able to negotiate fairly techical trail features therefore stands to reason that they could avoid 'accidentally' damaging a car that is in their way. Even if it means getting off and lifting the bike over [i]carefully[/i], shouldn't be too hard. Anything else just stinks of revenge for something that really, honestly has no ****ing consequence for you in the scheme of things.

Two wrongs etc, what's the world coming too etc, live and let live blah blah blah

car was gonne when i came home.
i will go a bit earlier and try to catch the driver in the morrow.

isn't life too short to worry about stuff like this?
yeah, you'd be pissed off if it'd happened to you, but it didn't did it.
swings and roundabouts

learn from it, forget about it, move on

I almost took the wingmirror of a clio off once similar situation 680mm bars wouldnt get through so how the **** a horse or buggy would, I clouted the wingmirror and it folded back on itself

Could you have got past the wing mirror without much inconvenience to yourself? That includes hopping off the bike for 5 seconds and leaning away from the car, and then hopping back on?

If yes, then you should feel bad and should at least offer to make appropriate reparation. And perhaps have a think about the motivation behind the damage in the first place - how would you feel if it was your car, particularly at the moment when cash isn't as readily available?

Christ but there's some sanctimonious twaddle on here. I've found myself in precisely the same situation on bridlepath near Castle Combe, where some thoughtless twonk had parked their RAV4 completely blocking the path where it joined the main road. I could barely walk past the damn thing, let alone ride a bike, and a horse could never have got past. In attempting to negotiate the barely two feet of space alongside the vehicle I'm afraid the alloy bar end caps on my risers left a deep gouge the entire length of their nice metallic paint job. I left a note saying sorry about the damage, and perhaps next time you'll take a bit more care about where you park in future. I have no remorse, and yes, in that sort of situation I get really bloody-minded and militant. A horse would not have even been able to turn around at that point, and to get back to that junction would have meant a detour of around five or six miles, mostly on narrow country roads. The car would never have been damaged if it had been parked off the bridlepath, and it was only damaged as a result of the thoughtlessnes and ignorance of it's owner, who has only themselves to blame. I've also hit the door mirrors on cars that park on the pavement part blocking the cycle-lane I use riding home, (Carbon knuckle protectors, see), and I have no guilt about that either. Park thoughtlessly, and sh1t happens, get over it.

Do unto others as you would be done to. All you militants- well I hope that I'm not anywhere near you and that your anti social attitudes don't have any effect upon the general population's perception of MTB riders. Or contribute to my rising insurance premiums. two wrong's do not make a right.

Leave a note, expect a call. Do the right thing. acidents do happen, in this case aggravated by the person parking in a daft/ illegal position but that is no justification for damaging the vehicle.

[i]Could you have got past the wing mirror without much inconvenience to yourself? That includes hopping off the bike for 5 seconds and leaning away from the car, and then hopping back on?

If yes, then you should feel bad and should at least offer to make appropriate reparation. And perhaps have a think about the motivation behind the damage in the first place - how would you feel if it was your car, particularly at the moment when cash isn't as readily available? [/i]

I didnt in the slightest, my sis has just had a sprog and the amount of cars who park like arses and she ends up having to push the baby along the road up here because she cant get past, I now couldnt give a toss the message will have got through and they wont park so close and leave such a small gap in future, Or at least i would hope the message had got through.

My car is never parked on a kerb as from my understanding that is illegal, Its either on my drive, at work or on the edge of a carpark away from other cars i also hate the trolley dints, I'm very particular where i park

Simple really. If your car is so important to you, park it out of the way. If you really don't care what happens to it abandon it ad-hoc. Just don't moan it someone sctraches it trying to get past it.

I forgot to mention one time an Audi had parked blocking the same bridleway as I rode past I 'noticed' a rep in it tugging off to Club magazine. He didnt even alter his stroke as I rode past, just kinda made a cupped left hand-cover for Captain Picard. FAF.

The car would never have been damaged if it had been parked off the bridlepath, and it was only damaged as a result of the thoughtlessnes and ignorance of it's owner, who has only themselves to blame.

I'd suggest it was damaged at the thoughtlessness, ignorance, and no small helping of arrogance on your part.

Personally I don't think that's something to be proud of.

If you're going to leave a note, don't make it anonymous. The cowards in the road where I park each day to walk to the station do that, trying to tell me I cannot park there when there are no yellow lines. Man up and own up if you're going to.

However, I think you should just go back later and superglue the mirror back on. That way, when it falls off again further down the line and the owner sees the glue underneath, they will blame their car salesman, and then justice will be done 😆

well, one way to look at it is, they parked illegally and got punished. I've been hit too many times by cars (as they pass too close/ turn left in front of you/ doored by the driver/passanger) with no apologies or anything to really care about small things like accidently brokem wing mirrors. For me I wouldn't worry about it but you seem to so for your peace of mind leave the note, it ain't worth the worrying.

however ignorant the driver is it doesn't excuse or justify wilfull criminal damage in revenge, what's wrong with you lot?

Stupid, ignorant people deserve what they get. I would not deliberately damage a vehicle but, if the choice was between squeezing through a tiny gap with a 50/50 chance of scraping their paintwork or going six mile out of my way then option 1 wins.

In some circumstances I would even feel justified in deliberately damaging a vehicle to teach the owner a lesson. The incident that springs to mind happened last week when I was with my daughter in her pushchair waiting to cross a sideroad. A fat woman in a Land Rover Discovery stopped right on the corner (double yellow lines) and waddled ten yards to a shop.

I had to push my daugher out into the busy A road to get around her car. I followed her into the shop and told her she was inconsiderate, was breaking the law and pointed out that there was parking available fifty yards away - she just turned her back and ignored me.

Keying her car is the only way to educate people like this!

All you militants- well I hope that I'm not anywhere near you and that your anti social attitudes don't have any effect upon the general population's perception of MTB riders. Or contribute to my rising insurance premiums.

TBH, I really couldn't give a stuff about the rising insurance premiums of some chunt who parks selfishly, causing inconvenience and stress to others. **** 'em. I'm with Count Zero on this.

Don't park where you're not sposed to. Simple as.

There was a white van blocking the footpath to my Daughter's nursery the other day, I just pushed the buggy down the side scraping the paint. The driver was in the front seat and I gave him a pleasant wave as I carried on my way.

Looks like we're in the minority nick. The number of "I'll teach them a lesson" idiot comments on here is just scary.

For those that advocate the damage, do it while the driver is there if you're brave enough and want to teach them a lesson. Maybe next week push an old person over as they took too long at a crossing, or kill someone in a supermarket because they took the last tin of your cats favorite flavour. Alternatively, have zero complaint when your insurance premiums rise due to other idiots doing this.

No matter how badly someone parks I wouldnt damage their property. I'd even fold in a wing mirror for them and tsk and swear under my breath.

Brushing past a badly parked car will put tiny scratches using the dirt into the paint anyway. Thats unavoidable.

I even let someone off who parked across my drive during a recent Man united match. Theres a number residents can call to ticket or have such a car removed. I let it go. If it happened again and I needed access (I didnt before) I'd call the number provided.

the car was there this morning missing a wing mirror.
i left my works phone number and name.
no one as phoned me today.
the pillock was parked in a worse position this morning so i kicked off the other wing mirror. ;o)

An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind....

Ton, you did the right thing.

I'm genuinely shocked by the responses of some people on here.

Looks like we're in the minority nick. The number of "I'll teach them a lesson" idiot comments on here is just scary.

For those that advocate the damage, do it while the driver is there if you're brave enough and want to teach them a lesson. Maybe next week push an old person over as they took too long at a crossing, or kill someone in a supermarket because they took the last tin of your cats favorite flavour. Alternatively, have zero complaint when your insurance premiums rise due to other idiots doing this.

er, firstly, from Ton's posting and his subsequent postings it wasn't done on purpose, also your analogies don't hold up, an old person crossing the road at a crossing is not doing anything illegal or inconsiderate nor does the cat food one hold up.

Another possible way to look at it is if people do inconsiderate things like this driver did and nothing happens to them - what do they learn? how will they be encourgaed to modify their behaviour? A polite note on the car window?

Turning the other cheek often just results in the person realising they can get away with their actions.

i was joking about kicking the other mirror off by the way.
i could no find the 😉 thing.

Another possible way to look at it is if people do inconsiderate things like this driver did and nothing happens to them - what do they learn? how will they be encourgaed to modify their behaviour? A polite note on the car window?

Petty crime isn't going to teach anyone a worthwhile lesson, are you lot really so dumb or are you just winding me up?

Maybe the cars were yearning to get onto the bridleways to play and realising they couldnt get any further had to sit their pining?

my fav topic, now i drive 40 to 50.000 miles a year and refuse to park on pavements or any place likley to cause agro ( no parking tickets in 15yrs)why do we think we can leave a car blocking a path or right of way thats what roads are for, now if someone blocked your fav trail i bet you would act differently.I have been known to take it out on the car when i come accross one parked blocking my right of way, while we are on it parking looking the wrong way its just lazy and shows the disrespect this country has for each other. aaaarrrr its the weekend must calm down

with you on that showerman - zero tolerance for illegal parking

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