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Think it was answered (think I asked it!) and yes they appear to be lacquered over.
Ah OK, didn't see the first reply then. Thanks Stumpy.
It'll be a commuter mostly so was hoping to make it stand out a little less, wrap the frame in tape maybe.
I hear people have concerns over the head set fit also,any one now if thats true?
Not sure how the bearings are supposed to fit but my top one dropped straight in and out, my bottom one needed pressing in (and broke when I tapped it out 🙄 a Wiggle Life line not a P-X so not claiming they use crap bearings but if it hadnt needed tapping out it wouldn't have been an issue).
crashtestmonkey - MemberAnyway, a picture's worth a 1000 words
Cripes - that's like a clown's pocket!!
Not sure how the bearings are supposed to fit but my top one dropped straight in and out, my bottom one needed pressing in (and broke when I tapped it out a Wiggle Life line not a P-X so not claiming they use crap bearings but if it hadnt needed tapping out it wouldn't have been an issue).
Wiggle [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-1-18-15-intergrated-headset-with-carbon-cap/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&kpid=5360670932&sku=5360670932&ci_src=18615224&ci_sku=5360670932uk&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=Components&utm_medium=base&utm_content=smnds3LkX_dc%7cpcrid%7c%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360670932uk ]Lifeline [/url]headset isn't FSA No.42 ACB spec. It has a 52.2mm diameter lower bearing, vs the 51.8mm spec on the FSA. That'll be why it needed tapping out :-/
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ok a little confused i only ever had 1" 1/8 headsets that took a lot of pressing in i bought the tools to remove and fit them ...are we saying that new style headsets dont need to be pressed? ie not an interfearence fit.
[i]ie not an interfearence fit. [/i]
exactly that.
they literally push in with your fingers.
I use some bearing fit stuff to hold the outer race in place on mine - it's easier to tell if the bearings are getting notchy and less chance of the whole bearing assembly rotating in the headtube and damaging it.
Thanks for the info "wwaswas" obviously some people are not asking the right questions and assuming that the frame has a problem ...now if we can just put this seat tube issue to bed I can get on a place my order 🙂
Wiggle Lifeline headset isn't FSA No.42 ACB spec. It has a 52.2mm diameter lower bearing, vs the 51.8mm spec on the FSA. That'll be why it needed tapping out :-/
thanks Brant, that saves me making the same mistake again! It was recommended earlier in the thread as an alternative to the PX/O-O headset so good to know exactly which lower bearing I need to replace it with (already got an FSA bearing lined up). My mistake and not the fault of P-X or Wiggle/Lifeline.
ref seatpost and returning I am emailing P-X now (with pic) so will keep interested parties updated.
I've got myself totally confused as to what headset I need (other than the simple answer of the FSA one from Planet X).
Can anybody point me towards either which Hope or Crane Creek headset I would need please?
^^^^^
As have I (what with not understanding headsets in the first place!)
Was all set to order the lifeline one but looks like that might cause me more problems...
I used the lifeline one. The top was fine and the bottom bearing was a easily pressed in. Seems to fit the race of the fork really well so far.... Will keep the FSA one in mind next time perhaps.
Hmmm I ordered one of these as a complete on C2W recently, sounds like I need to give it a thorough check over when it turns up. My current (and ongoing) experience of PX customer care in relation to another bike is making me wondering what on earth possessed me to order another bike off them.
As above and ive already said the lifeline one fits alot better than the FSA from planet X, the bottom race just pushed in no problem and the fork race fitted unlike the FSA one !
cool, sounds like the lifeline one will be fine then. I was just a bit concerned about what crashtestmonkey and then Brant wrote
I used the Lifeline one too. No probs.
I got the Lifeline one as well but had to press it in, there's no way it would just push in with my fingers, which is what I was expecting. Works fine though!!
Sounds like there may be some tolerance issues with the headtube as well as the seatube 😯
Hmmm does he not state the lifeline is a different size 🙄
Sounds like there may be some tolerance issues with the headtube as well as the seatube
i was tempted at first, for a winter build project, sounds like a total nightmare now though
Specs on planet x site for said FSA headset states 52mm ID for bottom bearing , not 51.8 brant ?
Maybe the fact that the supplied headset is a caged bearing type and not a sealed bearing type as shown ??
Lifeline says 52.2 mm .... end of the day you make your choice and the FSA one was the wrong one for my london road !
Puts me off further planet X purchases after this 🙁
I posted the spec of the FSA No.42 on the previous page.
Bearing is 51.8mm, Headtube bore is 52.1mm.
I haven't worked for Planet X for nearly a year, so I'm sorry if I'm just confusing matters.
When I designed that frame, it was for an FSA No.42 ACB headset. Not the spec of the lifeline one.
Things may have changed.
Over and out.
and that told me 🙂
I'm still well happy with mine, seat post clamps up nicely and the headset all works fine, even if it is the wrong one. Cracking F&F's if you ask me. Especially for £150!!
But then I seem to be one of the lucky few who has never had a problem with planet x /On One and I've had 3 frames off them. And I ride a 2010 Ragley Blue pig which is also bang on.
I'd still say go for it dirtyrider.
Okay I'm a little bit wiser but still confused!
My understanding so far:
The Wiggle Lifeline headset is slightly the wrong size but appears to work
The FSA No.42 is what the frame was designed for but nobody seems to like the caged bearings.
So if I try and find and alternative to the two headsets above, am I right in thinking the headset needs to meet the following spec:
Upper Headset IS 42 / 28.6
Lower Headset IS 52 / 40 (45 deg)?
Have I got this right or either a)I'm missing something or b) I've totally got this wrong!
Rang PX this morning to be reassured about the headset and seat tube,they say the headset is an industry standard and nothing one off and they have no knowledge at this time of any other QC issues on the frame and if there are any they will refund in full with postage ...at this price £149 I pulled the trigger there just are so few framsets with this many features out there and NONE at this price. fingers crossed.
No knowledge except the emails and photos sent by people in this thread that haven't been answered yet, obviously. Customer service is what you do after the sale, not the promises you make before.
I'll update with progress and outcome, hope you get a decent frame.
Well hopefully my making inquiry's and quoting your predicament will focus PX on the issues you and a few others have.
Good luck.
no reply to my email from Tuesday yet
[i]the headset is an industry standard[/i]
and we all know how few of those there are 😉
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They had the bb width wrong in the specs, so less chance with the headset 🙂
Still like mine*
*provided I'm not going to die due to wrong headset or seat post related issues
I ended up fitting the bottom bearing and crown race I had spare from some random Cheapo headset I'd bought for another bike, and I bought [url= http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/HSOOINT/on-one-integrated-headset ]This for a tenner[/url] for the top bearing/race... all seems to fit together and run smoothly thus far (Not finished assembling or ridden the bike yet though)...
+1 Jeff, other than automated email saying its "high priority"...
Been asked to send it back to progress the case... don't want to do this if they are going to say it's fine...
headset.. this fits http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/brand-x-headset-integrated-tapered-steerer/rp-prod130924
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Been asked to send it back to progress the case
Theyve asked me to return mine (which I was already doing) but have also said they've pulled all the remaining stock to be QC'ed and have passed it up the chain so not just a pro forma "we're looking into it" response.
flybywire, it shouldn't as its the same spec (probably the same headset) as the Wiggle/Lifeline which has a larger diameter than the FSA spec the L-R needs according to Brant.
Guys, the headset is FSA Orbit C-40 No.42 ACB Tapered Headset, it's a standard part we use it on nearly all of our tapered/integrated frames. Maybe a dozen frames in our line-up use it, my Viner Volterra included.
I suspect 0.4mm nominally oversized (and the bearing is less than that) may allow some bearings to fit some frames given the frame tolerances and the bearing tolerances.
Other frame and bearing combinations with the same nominal sizes may not fit.
The Lifeline headset (52.2mm) has a nominal 52.0mm bearing I think. The FSA is a nominal 51.8mm. The frames are 52mm cups - no?
I reckon if it goes in by finger pressure you're ok - if you need a mallet, get a different headset.
Others may disagree.
well put igm - the lower race on that brand-x generic type pushes in easily no excess pressure needed to apply.
If anyone's planning on building up one of these frames and is looking for build kit, in the next few days I'll have a complete Sora 2x9 drivetrain and a set of Specialized Axis disc brake 700c wheels for sale.
They will be getting removed from a new bike so will be in prefect condition and going for sensible price.
If anyone's interested, my email is in my profile.
Possibly a stupid question but for those with the lifeline headset, did you end up with some leftover bits? Having a practice assembly, working from bottom to top I have:
The crown race (thin black split ring)
The bottom bearing unit
The corresponding top bearing unit
The top race (silver split ring)
The black domed thing with the writing on
Star fangled nut
Stem cap
I'm left with thicker black ring with a rim around it (best I can do description wise) and a thin silver washer in a separate bag. Any ideas where these go?
FWIW, looks like the bearings will go in with hand pressure
Dan
@ Swdan , the black ring with the rim around goes underneath the domed black cover with writing on it and on top of the silver split ring if if that makes sense ?
The crown race (thin black split ring)
The bottom bearing unit
The corresponding top bearing unit
The top race (silver split ring)
black ring with rim around
The black domed thing with the writing on
Star fangled nut
Stem cap
the thin washers i still have in the bag ????
thin silver washer goes on top of the upper silver split ring.
The black ring with a rim (rubberised?) sits on top of that, then the domed thing on top.
Awesome, cheers guys. Have just packed the frame back up so will give that a go tomorrow. Didn't think I should have spare bits and was surprised there wasn't a parts list or installation instructions with it. Also, I'm sure all those bits have proper names but glad you knew what I meant