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Apparently, a mate's colleague has spent a few thousand on a full suspension bike because he has "outskilled his hardtail". I couldn't find any reference to this term in mountain bike literature, can anyone help me understand?
can anyone help me understand?
Mate has pretentions of being the best rider in the world?
Oh joy... another thread of "i can ride this and that on a hardtail, no-one needs a full suspension"
Excellent term, I’m using that one!
If there's 'outskilled', what's the opposite?
I'm that.
I think your friend has reached his ability limit on a hard tail and is in need of a few inches of squishy talent compensation.
I outskilled* my hardtail, so got a a full suss instead...
DrP
*by outskilled, I assume you mean 'ran out of money and space in the garage, so sold it to buy a FS'??
I thought it sounded like he was getting someone better to ride it down the hard bits.
I would say it means that his skills have progressed to a level where he is going faster and can handle more technical terrain and the hardtail is holding him back from further progression (getting faster and tackling even more technical terrain)
Still sounds like a nonsense phrase though and doesn't really make sense.
I would say it means that his skills have progressed to a level where he is going faster and can handle more technical terrain and the hardtail is holding him back from further progression (getting faster and tackling even more technical terrain)
Even when you write it with as much spin as that it still sounds like.... "The big boys were going faster than I can "
I frequently find the opposite happening and being outskilled by my bike. On a fairly frequent basis my very limited talent evaporates and I find myself in a ditch/hedge/stream/tree (delete as appropriate).
If there’s ‘outskilled’, what’s the opposite?
"Overbiked "
I'm definitely that.
“Overbiked ”
More "underridered"
Under derided - as in no one takes the piss enough?
I think it's a euphemism for his current riding group is holding him back and he wants to move on to new company.
another thread of “i can ride this and that on a hardtail, no-one needs a full suspension
Not really. It just made me laugh that someone might outskill a hardtail, which is arguably harder to ride than a full suss.
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It just made me laugh that someone might outskill a hardtail, which is arguably harder to ride than a full suss.
Nothing arguable about it. Hardtails are harder to ride. It one of the reasons I prefer a hardtail for simpler trails, stuff you could just float over on a full sus needs a bit more thought on a hardtail
"Pretentious, Moi"?
Sounds like someone has a case of newbikeitis and is trying to justify it.
Nothing wrong with going from HT to FS in the pursuit of more speed/gnar/send.
Lol. Bikes are different. I had a fab ride on the hardtail last night on some tight rooty nadgery singletrack. The fs is definitely a hindrance in this stuff as it’s longer heavier and doesn’t pedal as well. Another day I might ride somewhere different like say antur stiniog where the fs is better suited.
I think in this instance “outskilled” means I’ve got brave enough to ride stuff where if you go fast enough a fs is more suitable than a ht. it’s nearly always bravery rather than actual skill on a modern bike.
Just to be sure we're all making the correct judgement about your mate's mate, the hardtail isn't an Apollo BSO* he's replacing with a proper bike that happens to be a FS? I can understand that he might have "out skilled" that.
*other brands are available, and to read half the threads on here you'd think if it doesn't have a 170mm dropper and <66degree head angle its wholly unsafe for riding along anything as techy as a well surfaced canal tow path.
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Very much this.
I often find that my under abundance of talent is outstripped by my rigid single speed.
An entire thread on someone who's said something the wrong way, he's obviously wanted to progress and using a full susser to do it is going to make that easier.
I can ride the same stuff on a sorted hardtail as a FS (but sometimes it'll be slower)
But if you put me on an 'entry-level' hardtail BSO I'd really struggle to get going and I certainly wouldn't be confident over drops etc. Same as if ride my gravel bike on terrain it's not meant for.
Mate's colleague sounds like a tool but that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.
An entire thread on someone who’s said something the wrong way
Dunno about wrong. I get what they're meaning, it just made me smile is all. And not in a pretentious "do you even hardtail bro" way, just.... made me smile.
I think all he means is that he feels his riding skills have progressed to the point where it's worth him dropping a few grand on a full suspension bike.
That being said, it sounds really stupid and you should take the piss out of him mercilessly until he puts his new bike on ebay for a quarter of what he paid for it.
Course he hasn't outskilled it but that's not really how it works, so rather than people assuming he's a dick how about just thinking he's using words you don't like, but describing a real thing? Like "My riding has progressed and now I'm at a point where the hardtail isn't working for me". That's not outskilling, it's kind of the opposite but it could feel pretty similar. Just substitute "level of riding" for "skill".
I get out skilled every time I ride with Jimmy.
so rather than people assuming he’s a dick how about just thinking he’s using words you don’t like, but describing a real thing
It's difficult not to assume someone is a bit of wally when they use words like "outskill", I assume the same guy on boards staff, thinks outside the box, sells a lifestyle not a product and is probably an estate agent.
Could be a lovely chap but that doesn't mean he's not a wally.
It could also be a moment of brilliant bellend baiting and he laced the original comment with irony that was wasted on the OPs shredit producing mate who only bothers dropping in to send the sickest of gnar.
Show him this
I’m out skilled by any bike.
Show him this
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Good grief. That "I broke me leg" came out of nowhere!
there can be a very big gap between:
"possible to ride without crashing"
to
"ideal bike for the conditions"
and then on to
"overbiked to the point it is not enjoyable"
My local is the tame lands of swinley, and despite owning a lovely "hardcore hardtail" my full suss trail bike is both more enjoyable and quicker, when I put the effort in to sprint and pump the terrain.
And if we go purely by facial expression observed, I'm having far more fun than the gravel bike/90s rigid bike trail users...
he’s obviously wanted to progress and using a full susser to do it is going to make that easier.
Is it? I'd had thought a bike that makes things harder would make you progress more quickly/easily? A full sus may make you quicker but that's not really progression.
I definitely outskill my bike.
All my bike can do is be ridden up, down and along hills, where as I can ride said bike, tile bathrooms and bake chocolate cakes.
Shurely that's way more skills than my bike has? 🤔🤔
Can it be ridden across, under, off and over things too? If so it appears the bike has one skill more than you! 😀
there can be a very big gap between:
“possible to ride without crashing”
to
“ideal bike for the conditions”
and then on to
“overbiked to the point it is not enjoyable”
Or indeed to underbiked and its not enjoyable.
Theres a certain type of rider that sees hardtails as for noobs and the lower end of intermediate, and FS for more skilled riders. He might just be one of those. FTR he's wrong IMO. I think Docrobster is most likely on the money.
I think what he is trying to say is that he’s ringfenced his unicorn.
My local is the tame lands of swinley, and despite owning a lovely “hardcore hardtail” my full suss trail bike is both more enjoyable and quicker, when I put the effort in to sprint and pump the terrain.
And if we go purely by facial expression observed, I’m having far more fun than the gravel bike/90s rigid bike trail users
Did a full loop of the blue and red today for the first time in ages on my Onza. I normally ride in from the scuba place end and avoid the blue as it's a 35 mile loop as it is.
I'd forgotten how much not fun the pebbles are on a hardtail. Christ it's annoying. Long flat bits so you want to sit down but still want some spine left.
The full suss is way more enjoyable on the flat bits, the Hardtail better on the downs as it feels faster.
This needs to be on a sticker
lolzzzzz I'd buy a few
Rider thinks buying a full suss will help him enjoy riding more
Cycling forum outraged