Different does not necessarily mean better of course, and I would agree all bikes with bearings need changing probably more than most realise for optimum performance, BUT Often a 4 bar is actually functioning as a Single pivot as the chainstay bearing( very commonly ) is solid, without the owner noticing at all.
Turner bikes went from Horst pivot to chainstay pivot, and even the great and loyal aficionados of the Great Dave Turner struggled to tell the difference, so prob most folk riding bikes haven't a clue. Fork and shock set up on any suspension design, along with tyre pressure probabably make more difference to the "feel" than the linkage design per se.
One thing for sure riding with the 50 to 01 boys, they couldn't give a rats arse about the bike suspension designs, they could ride a shopping trolley better than most of us could ride a fully tricked up FS bike of any denomination!!
catvet - MemberDifferent does not necessarily mean better of course, and I would agree all bikes with bearings need changing probably more than most realise for optimum performance, BUT Often a 4 bar is actually functioning as a Single pivot as the chainstay bearing( very commonly ) is solid, without the owner noticing at all.
No, that's not what happens- if the chainstay pivot (or any of the pivots) on a 4 bar was solid it wouldn't become a single pivot- the suspension couldn't move at all.
It's just that when you have it in the workstand the forces are far smaller.. But with the leverage of the frame and a dude on top of it, it moves
(try and compress your shock by hand- same thing)
I quite fancy one of these bikes and I can't explain why...
I think Orange overprice their full build to sell frames in the same way Canyon overprice their frames to make their full builds look even better value.
I see from Northwinds post they're still doing "saw you coming" upgrade pricing where they charge full rrp for the upgraded part and keep the original part you've effectively paid for.
And not a hater, I have a 2010 Alpine160 with coil CCDB (which cost me a grand brand new in 2011).
When I see a thread for a bike I'm not keen on I don't bother looking at it.
Having tried the Stage 6 in the environment it was intended for I can confirm it makes perfect sense.
It's a limited launch model and I'm sure the pro, rs and r models will follow soon.
Phil
I think Orange overprice their full build to sell frames in the same way Canyon overprice their frames to make their full builds look even better value.
There might be something in that, but if production really is limited I'd have thought they'd prefer to sell full builds - as they'd then make more money.
I suspect they kind of have two markets, with different sorts of riders buying the frames compared to the full builds.
Canyon are also a pretty big company with close to 600 employees
Just to clarify, my speculation was relating to Orange production & customers.
Canyon are a very different company, I agree.
I would love a frame only to replace my ageing 2008 five, although probably second hand with that price!
I much prefer the way a single pivot rides to the Horst/multi-link bikes.
As many have said, frame only will be comparable with similar on price. I wouldn't spend 5.5k on a bike but those shocked by the price obviously don't check high end bike prices often. You'll be able to spend the same for less Hope and more Eagle if that's what you want looking at the Alpine 6.
Must admit, with all the stories about stunning value on mail order bikes I had a look at them last year. Can't say any blew my socks off for being particularly amazingly specced. Codeine looked better value than the Germans from what I remember and all had short cuts. Ended up with a current frame Segment with custom colour and 1x11 new for 2k so thought that was decent value for a bike based on a 1.6k frame.
Haters gonna hate though, which is up to them. I'll leave them to insist I need nothing more than a HT or that their generic canyon/YT/OnOne will be worth a fraction of the bargain rrp when they come to sell.
Anyone riding a Stage 5 yet?
If you want made in the uk. You could buy two Shands for 5k...
Oh, are shand doing a big full suss 29er? For 2.5 grand?
ontor - Member
If you want made in the uk. You could buy two and a half thousand punnets of strawberries for 5k...
Any ideas on the frame weights of the stage 5/6? Much googling hasn't revealed anything.
Don't post very often but I have been reading through this thread as I am interested in the stage 5 . It seem like no one has mentioned oranges resale value which in my experience has always been high which gives you better value for money than most bike brands
Yep, agreed. I have had a 2006 5, 2009 5, 2014 5 29 and now a 2016 Segment. Each time split to sell and it's not cost the earth to change due to resale value of the frame. Just don't keep them too long.
Picked up Medium Stage 5 in local shop and they weighed it for me.
Just a smidge over 8 lbs, so not bad for a roughy tuffy bike frame. 😀
Picked up Medium Stage 5 in local shop and they weighed it for me.
Just a smidge over 8 lbs, so not bad for a roughy tuffy bike frame.
Monarch or X2 shock ?
blastit - Member
Picked up Medium Stage 5 in local shop and they weighed it for me.
Don't say who it is or Orange will blacklist them... 😉
Also decimal points exits what came after the 8.__
