[Closed] Orange 5 and Alpine 2017

I thought grey was the standard colour for filing cabinets.

IGMC

so the owner of orange has admitted that they ride on "cheaky" trails

(your not allowed to ride a bike on norland moor but many do)

When the Four came out, I said it couldn't be much lighter than the Five, and it turned out I was wrong because the Five was carrying a load of extra fat they'd never bothered to design out. So this is the other side of that coin. Looks good to me, nice numbers and all that.

And yeah, I will moan about Boost. Not because of Boost itself but because Orange have never bothered themselves with wheel stiffness til it because a buzzword, and now suddenly you should care. It's something they could have been doing for a decade just by fitting less shit wheels.

Alpine looks like a nice bike, not aesthetically pleasing on the eye'. Whats boost?

Slightly wider hub spacing front and black so your old wheels are now obsolete. /conspiracy

They're not doing them many favours showing them off in battleship grey.

I preferred the current Five aesthetically, but I'd rather have the new one.

New Alpine looks better than current model. Definitely a future secondhand option to replace my freeride & enduro bikes.

Without getting into the new standard debacle. It has stopped me upgrading to a new five. My mk2 650b will be with me for a while now. If I could of swapped my kit over I would be ordering a new frame. Albeit I would probably look at the four.

I wonder why they haven't gone with the split chainstay like on the Four and the new Six? Definitely think it looks better split.

I do like the new shaping on the frames now..

Guess the single panel swingarm is considered the signature feature of the Five.

And so people can tell the three models apart?

Lets see, colour of a battleship, giant hideous welds all over like a battleship and weighing about as much as a battleship.

In terms of the frames loosing weight, the new Five is supposed to be approx 400g lighter than the outgoing model. Now the Four, which was supposed to be the lighter-weight option is only 440g (if I remember) lighter than the old Five.

Which means the only real difference between the two built up would be the forks, and maybe the tyres. I used to have a 2011 Five, now struggling to work out which one I like the best now!

I guess a good test ride of the two, when I come to buy is needed. Reality says Four, over exaggerated riding God inside me says Five.

I like them both.

And can anyone see any difference between the 2016 and 2017 Four?

Nick

They've really done themselves no favours with the colour. I think the 2017 Alpine looks a nice bike whenever I've seen it elsewhere.

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Colour is love or hate but the bike looks good, the numbers stack up and they'll be mint to ride. Boost means the chainwheel can move outwards, and on Oranges that means the pivot can be wider and stiffer - a good thing. Lowered BB will also feel ace. There's a very positive review on Dirt as well as pinkbike.

I wonder if the filing cabinet grey is Orange trolling the interweb?

Regardless I think these new bikes look ace - bang on geometry, nice manufacturing improvements for lower weight and more stiffness, improved suspension behaviour.

In terms of kinematics it's hard to argue against them now - as usual the anti-squat is just right, the leverage curve is now linear not regressive, the brake squat is no different to the many linkage driven single pivots out there and similar to many dual link and Horst link bikes where the top link counter rotates (like a Santa Cruz, Lapierre or Bird). It's not far removed from the Yeti Switch Infinity designs, just a bit more kickback at the extremes (but is that worth a whole load more pivots and a slidey thing?)

I like the Grey.

Me too. But I'm going to get one in mountain mint.

I think if you don't get an orange Orange, you're wrong in the head. Neon yellow and pink may be acceptable. I do like the grey tbh but it's just not right.

(mine was blue. Who buys a blue orange? ffs)

chiefgrooveguru - Member

as usual the anti-squat is just right

No such thing as "right" anti-squat tbh.

I think the new Alpine looks awesome

The Grey looks awesome. Much better than the neon rubbish.
I like the new crinkly designs too. Would rather my Five29 swingarm looked like that, rather than a drawer

I'm a big fan of the grey too. Much less mid life crisis than some of their colours. I still think Stirling Silver is by far the nicest.

@Northwind - of course there is such a thing as 'right' anti-squat, its called a hardtail 🙂

Regardless of colour/geometry etc, find it hard to look past the weight of a 5. The £5100 factory spec model weighs more than the £1300 bottom of the range canyon spectral. Clearly there's more to how a bike rides than weight, but on a mid-travel bike that has to be pedalled uphill and accelerate nicely on flat/rolling terrain its still too important to ignore.

I used to look at weights but when I tested a 5 back to back with a carbon Tallboy LT they felt no different ( weight wise).

I like the grey, especially with black decals and on orange orange, like the 2017 Crush. Reminds me of a 1992 Clockwork I lusted after.

Saying that, if I could go neon orange I would.

30lb? Where does all that weight come from? That's one fat bike. How heavy are the cheaper models ?

30lb? Where does all that weight come from? That's one fat bike. How heavy are the cheaper models ?

That's a perfectly normal weight for a bike of this type. They're not XC bikes!

Clearly there's more to how a bike rides than weight, but on a mid-travel bike that has to be pedalled uphill and accelerate nicely on flat/rolling terrain its still too important to ignore.

You're talking about a 1% difference in total weight between a light bike and an average one once you take the rider into account. Or about the difference between a half full and full Camelbak bladder. The tyre choice and suspension pedalling efficiency matter far more. But weight is obvious when you pick up a bike and easily measured - and in competition where the winning margins are usually tiny it can make the critical tiny difference.

Is it just me or is the cable routing completely awful at the front? It exits the frame in 2 different places, pointed upwards, then has to go down again to the controls...

chiefgrooveguru - Member

That's a perfectly normal weight for a bike of this type. They're not XC bikes!

It's not a bad weight for a 150mm travel trailbike in general, but it's a very high weight for a £5100 bike with nice parts on it. I mean, it's on par with a Remedy 29er, despite the clownwheel weight penalty, the 2x drivetrain and the 50% price increase. Weight isn't everything but it's one of the things you're usually paying for, at these prices. How much will the bottom spec one weigh, once you take away all that nice stuff?

Some things rightly add weight, it has good wide strong wheels, sensible tyres, a good big fork, float x... There's nothing on it that's inappropriate for the job. Though I wonder what proportion of Five users will actually use all that capability? Curious how long the reverb is, hope it's a 150mm considering the lack of frame space. (even then, looks like bad news for 170mm reverb compatibility, I'm a zealot about this but I think unneccesarily tall seat-tubes are a fitness for purpose issue where they stop you using a big dropper... That extra 20mm is a huge advantage, I love mine)

We weighed a selection of 150-160mm bikes on the same scale recently.

29lb for the carbon bling bike with a pike and 31lb for the heavy alu enduro sleds with lyrics.

The price is daft, but the weight isn't.

The weights and prices look comparable to similar comparable bikes. My carbon specialized enduro weighs 30lbs with decent tyres and kit on it, comparable to the alpine which has a better fork and shock and comes stock with quality tyres for the job the bike is made for.
A cheaper spec would get a pike and monarch shock (on the orange) would also save weight and bring it down to what the Enduro and most other bikes weigh.

@Dilwyn, is that an expert carbon comp? With the ohlins shock and the £600 lower pricetag?

Good point on the shock! Mine is 2015 and has a monarch and £4600 (I think). To build up an enduro with a 36 would cost a fortune though and would hardly be any lighter.

So they have moved the main pivot backwards to a more conventional position. Was that this year or earlier (I haven't been keeping up with Oranges.)

Pivot has moved towards to bb on 2017 models - should be more active than ever.

People banging on about the weight are missing the point a bit. 30lb is fine for a bike with the build and capability of the new Fives. They spec sensible kit at Orange - kit that lasts and also that lets you get the most out a mint frame set.

Not sure wether to be hacked off or not. Take delivery of my spanking new Five three weeks ago, then about 4 days later they announce these!

Question is if you rode it would you notice the difference?

I prefer the look of the 2016 so hope to pick up a bargain. 😀

@ Goldigger
Nah you're probably right I wouldn't notice any difference, and you can hardly notice any difference aesthetically either! What is it? 10mm longer and 6mm lower or something, it's nothing really. I'm really happy with the one I got just wish they had told me (if they knew) and maybe offered a wee bit of discount.

Have they published the frame weight? Wondering how much lighter it is compared to my 2014.

They have said its 400g lighter (the five) than the mk2 650b model which was lighter than the previous models apparently. That said my 2015 mk2 650b weighs about the same as my old 26er five. Ride smiles better though

Pivot has moved towards to bb on 2017 models - should be more active than ever.

On this subject, currently have a 2013 five the last of the 26ers, what's the thoughts on;

A) a shock tune for the current fox ctd on the 26er
B) a current five
C) wait and try the new five

Currently having the problem of fancying the a new bike like my current five thinking of breaking into the 27.5 market..... Help me!!

They have said its 400g lighter (the five) than the mk2 650b model which was lighter than the previous models apparently. That said my 2015 mk2 650b weighs about the same as my old 26er five.

I currently ride the last 26" alpine, 2014. Flows, DPS Dueller coil etc..

I'm not worried about weight.

I wanted boost rear end when i moved to 650b for added stiffness. 170mm forks is a nice option as i was thinking about getting a dh bike but this might cover everything i need.

This ticks all the boxes for me, i love my alpine so no doubt i'll love this bike.

Looking back at this for a link but:

And can anyone see any difference between the 2016 and 2017 Four?

The Four and Segment frames are the same for 2017 as current, which to be fair were only released earlier this year. Bit of a shame as the new bikes have full internal cable routing which looks sweet.

I've been looking at buying an Orange Five recently and had a brief trial of a 2016 Factory model in Mountain mint.

It's at the very top end of my budget and I'm not sure weather to go for it or for a 2017 Five S or Pro...

Obviously much better spec on the Factory but due to it being a bike on sale it's not included in any 0% finance deals.

I think if I were going for a 5 I'd probably go 2017 over a discounted 2016 unless it had loads of money off. Surely you could get the 2017 RS for 2016 Factory money?

Saying all that, I was very tempted by the 2016 Pro Line they're doing at the moment. As that's not discounted you can get the 0%.

I got 20% off a Mk2 Five frame in the Bikescene black Friday sale last November. Might me worth waiting or using this as a starting point for negotiations.

2017 bikes has significant differences over the 2016 (differences you can actually notice in the ride), but both will be great bikes.

To update, I ordered one of the last pro-lines from sunset MTB last night 😀 unfortunately they had run out of mountain mint so I went for Atomic Orange, black decals and I swapped the Pikes for Fox factory 36 kashima and the rear shock for Fox CTD factory kashima!

Can't wait!!

colinv6 - Member

unfortunately they had run out of mountain mint so I went for Atomic Orange

Lucky escape that!

Haha, I like the Mountain mint, that was the colour of the factory bike. My wife said it was a girls colour though so maybe it was never meant to be!!

Also is a rear swing arm protector worth getting?

Orange have one on their website for £10, you'd think they would chuck one in with a £3k bike wouldn't you!!!

Just seen these bikes in the flesh for the first time and they look ridiculously nice.

wl - Member
Just seen these bikes in the flesh for the first time and they look ridiculously nice.

All new bikes look ridiculously nice. New rotors, unlemished cassettes.... gives me goosebumps.

Nah, with all due respect, plenty of bikes look crap right from the showroom. I'm talking about angles, lines, sizing, tube profiles, colours, graphics etc. These new Oranges will look great whatever condition they're in.

Like. The. Grey.

A. Lot.

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Grey looked great. Probably my favourite. They new grey, that is.

Mini PSA:

talk to your local orange dealer about 2016 five frames, a reliable source told me orange are doing discounts with forks to shift the old frames.

Don't know how much or what forks, but could be enough to top the balance one way or the other for prospective purchasers.

Just demoed the 2017 Alpine6 over three days, on a wide range of Calderdale's finest legal and cheeky trails. It's very, very good indeed. Toying with one of these or the new Five. I'll decide once I've tried the Five.

fifeandy
Lets see, colour of a battleship, giant hideous welds all over like a battleship and weighing about as much as a battleship.

Something keeps drawing me to Orange bikes but then the price in comparison to to other brands pushes me back.

Also is a rear swing arm protector worth getting?

Orange have one on their website for £10, you'd think they would chuck one in with a £3k bike wouldn't you!!!

The Segment I just got from Sunset came with one so hope yours did too.

Don't think I've had any chain slap since getting a clutch mech, I wouldn't(don't) both with a protector