[Closed] Orange 2013

No changes on the five for 2013

unless I'm mistaken, the only change is to make the maxle standard but to up the price by £100 to compensate themselves. So, unless the maxle is important, why wait?

Darn. Really was hoping they'd seen the light on the head tube front. And she not only doesn't need a maxle but it would mean she wouldn't be able to use the rear wheel of the rather nice pair I bought her for her birthday. If only i could find a nice tiny Alpable bike that wouldnt involve giving money to a firm that basically irritates me.

Now where was that cheque book.?

What's your issue with the headtube? If you just want to run a standard fork, run a standard fork

If only i could find a nice tiny Alpable bike that wouldnt involve giving money to a firm that basically irritates me.

If they irritate you there are plenty of other manufacturers that make the same sort of bike. I'd go with one of them

I want to be able to run any fork I want. Tapered tubes will accept tapered forks or straight 1&1/8th but not 1.5". So if there was an option I'd be much keen for a straight 1.5" head tube.

Will standard QR frames be still available? I'd hate to miss out on my opportunity to stop them from starving!

1.5" forks are as good as dead, doubt anyone makes them any more.

@Steve77

Sadly my GF is tiny and there actually aren't that many firms that make Action Man size full suss frames.

I can't believe you are finding so many faults and still bothering. Just buy a different bike, please!

And no, qr isn't an option now

@honourable

Really? I'd still prefer not to choose a frame with ahead tube that limits my options.

And there are still a few 1.5" forks in my garage 🙂

Actually I only mentioned two 'faults'. I haven't even started on the limitations of single pivot suspension...

1.5" steerer but QR back wheel? odd man

They're not going to make a 1.5 Five, nor are many other companies going to make 1.5 frames. Which is a shame, but it's officially ugly.

Get a female-specific zesty. Chicks dig them...
Seems a bit odd to be a brand hater then bother to start a thread on them, then proceed to put them down...

Maybe you should actually have your girlfriend try out a couple of different bikes and see what she prefers? She's going to be riding the bike, not you.

what you need to do is believe everything you read on forums. EVERYTHING.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/frames-with-15-inch-headtubes-whats-out-there

May give you options. Not going to be many 1.5's out there - thats why all the forks were going cheap.

Would definaltey have a look at the Lapiere's though

How small does the frame have to be?

Intense Tracer has 1.5 head tube and convertible dropouts for 142 & 135

Marin go pretty small, I think (or used to, at least). Same for Kona.

Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been asleep. 🙂

You guys really are amusing.

It's not at complicated. I don't hate Orange and this isn't a hate thread, as is obvious from the opening post. I actually intend to buy one of their frames. In any case it's a company not a person so hate is an inappropriate response to it.

But I don't like some of the choices they make with their bikes. Bikes are expensive and I think they make frames that are not attractive. If i spend a lot of money on soemthing i would like it to look good before i get near it. Obviously it then has to perform it's set ask adequately or the purchase has been pointless.

II want whatever frame I buy for her to fit her and she claims to be 5ft 2" but it is probably 5ft 1 & 3/4". Finding frames to fit her is not easy. She currenly rides a Cannondale F5 in Petite and that is so small the top tube runs in an uninterrupted line from headtube to rear dropouts.

I also do not want to be forced by frame choice into buying addditional components that she does not need, especially when I have high quality components looking for a home. If it were a case of new seat post and bottom bracket that's one thing but new forks and wheels? I don't think so. With the new 29 er Orange Somethingorother popping up on here in a photo sporting a 1.5" head tube I was hopeful. Oh well.

The Orange Five is made small enough to fit her, could be built light enough for the Peaks but also tough enough for a bit of light action next Summer. However if the Zestys goes really small then I'll have a look. IIRC it even has a Horst Link which would avoid the brake jack which is the feature of single pivots that I dislike.

Apologies for holding views that inadvertently offend the forum.

Singletrackmonkey is selling an immaculate small dw 5 spot in the ads

Another charming gentleman........

Brake jack ?
I've ridden 4 different single pivot Oranges and multi pivot Giants and there is very little difference in braking performance.
For me the biggest difference was in climbing ability,grip and feel.
The multi felt better climbing lumpy stuff but if its for mostly UK use there would be nothing in it.
The Orange frame designer first and foremost looks for a frame to work,the aesthetics come after.

Dude, no-one is going to make 1.5" forks or head-tubes ever again. They've never been popular and have been perhaps the most "limiting" component choice you could make to use your own language!

Take this as an opportunity to sell the stuff you've got before it becomes completely worthless.

Singletrackmonkey is selling an immaculate small dw 5 spot in the ads

That is your best choice. You can't get a 1.5 steerer in a 5 full stop so look at something else.

@Rorschach
Charming, moi? Merci bien Monsieur.

@joeegg
Brake jack seems to be something that isnt noticed by everyone. I really notice it on the Jekyll and Gemini frames I have but not on the Big Hit. I'd like to avoid it on future frames if possible but I guess it's more of an issue on frames with lesser amounts of travel. In this case frame fit, appropriateness for the intended task and compatibility with components already owned trump it I think.

"The Orange frame designer first and foremost looks for a frame to work,the aesthetics come after."

Yes I'd worked that out! 😉

@wrecker

I've nver really paid attention to Turners, they did seem to go through a Purple Patch of being the forum members ride of choice about 5 yrs ago didnt they? But I have a vague recollection that something in the design changed a few years ago. Moved away from Horst Links? Got rid of bearings and went for bushings?

Teach her to ride and brake jack won't be an issue.

Hi Wl, this is Simon from the BV holiday.

Having seen me ride you'll realize that I'd have to learn how to do that myself before I could teach her! 😀

Would honestly suggest taking her for some demo rides and seeing what she likes.

Santa Cruz is possible for Extra Small but not 1.5" and with the Heckler enough change to put towards some new forks.

Seen some fairly small giants too.

The turner will ride very differently to the 5. It'll be firmer and more neutral (less active). I'm not saying it's better or worse (depends what you want) but those 5 spots are very good bikes with amazing support from Turner. Do watch out though, they are supremely efficient so she'll be quicker uphill!

Just read the Orange Gyro review in ST, reads very well.

Some nice recommendations here, thank you guys. I know I have a longish list of (apparently bizarre :-)) specs but you have to start somewhere.

Faster uphill? Damn, maybe I'll get her that watch she was after instead...

Ayup, Simon. Looked like you were riding pretty well to me. Seriously, on the brake jack front, most Orange single pivot riders I know either don't really notice any brake jack, quickly get used to it or slightly adapt their riding/braking style. See if you can get your other half a demo Five. If she likes it, buy one and get her out to Verbier on one of Lucy's skills weeks. She'll learn in a week what would normally takes years. Take it easy.

What about getting a taller girlfriend?

This is funny - you say you like the Five, but then it turns out the only single thing you like about it is the length of the tubes. Oh and that it's strength to toughness ratio seems ok.

I would look at another bike.
If you want frame-only, I can see how your choices are limited though. For example, Giant do a 14.5" Anthem, but the frame-only option seems limited to men's. Mind you some bike models are cheaper than the Five frame-only.

@op

check out the Knolly Endorphin and Chilcotin. They have 1.5 head tubes and are alp-able! quite boutique too 8)

Maybe one of these would suit you (her)

@creamegg
That actually made me laugh out loud 😆

And I'm almost tempted, just to see the look on her face. I think she'd eventually forgive me?

@crush83
<adds Knolly to his Google List>

@Wl
They have a men's 14" Five at Cannock so we'll pop down there and give it a whirl.

Hi spw3,

I'm neither 5ft 2 or a girl; BUT when I rode on an Orange demo day in the Lakes earlier this year, one of the laydeees who [u]was [/u]riding with us was similarly sized and on a very small framed Diva Five (or whatever the girly version is called), and she couldn't have heaped more praise on it. I've known her for a while and she's ridden all sorts of bikes (from Konas to a current santa cruz). Bit tenuous I know but if your GF has the chance to ride one then go for it.

It's good to know. The size range, paint quality and longevity of the Fives are certainly a point in their favour.

Yes I'm sure the very real and totally a big issue "brake jack" is what's holding you (and every other rad to the sick) rider up.

Nah, what's holding me up is slow riders like you in front of me 😉

Once I started noticing it I found I couldn't ignore it. When I bought my first two FS bikes there wasn't a lot of choice in terms of suspension design but now there is. And since it bothers me it would please me to avoid frames that it built into its feature set, if at all possible. But of course it might not be possible, given other constraints.