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My Road Logic 2.0 is easily my favourite bike and as others have said I've largely found disc brakes unnecessary on the road.
I have a strael, I'm very pleased with it and would recommend. I'm not sure the two fits are about racey and relaxed, I think it's more about proportional geometry. Worth a test and the ride quality is excellent, and while it's not as quick climbing as my carbon bike (though not bad) it's very good at everything else and is incredibly confidence inspiring
@bregante that looks lovely.
I’m intrigued by going down the steel route. I’ve had a Genesis Croix De Fer and it was as heavy as an elephant and not particularly fun to ride on road.
How heavy do you think your fully built up bike weighs? I’d like to try and keep the weight close to 8kgs….
Another vote for Cervelo Caledonia - I built mine up as a frameset in the Summer with GRX 812 1 x 11 groupset, Hunt Carbon Aero 50 wheels, 32mm GP5000 TR S tyre setup in the delicious oasis colourscheme.
It's an ace bike, am well pleased. Nicely speedy enough but really versatile. The paintjob is too pretty for Winter filth though, hehe! 😀
Following on from ransos (he had my too large definition) they are lovely things to ride for ages and ages or daft audax rides 😉
I swapped to a Bokeh as I kept on doing silly things to the definition and if I’m honest it’s even comfier than the definition !
How heavy do you think your fully built up bike weighs? I’d like to try and keep the weight close to 8kgs….
I've honestly never weighed it but I'd guess it's somewhere a little over 9kg (based on an unscientific test of regularly lifting it up alongside my gravel bike which I think is about 10.5kg). It's a 57 frame. The wheels are lightish aluminium DT Swiss (about 1500g). All the finishing kit is base level aluminium Zipp Service Course SL and the saddle in the picture (now replaced) is a fairly substantial selle Italia thing so there's definitely some weight to drop from it if I felt inclined (I don't).
I have also had a Croix De Fer. The Ritchey is far more responsive than that. I had also had a similarly specced Kinesis 4s Disc but door it because the Ritchey is easily the more involving ride as well as being quicker and more comfortable than the 4S.
Well... In the greatest tradition of STW...
I now own a Cannondale CAAD13 105 disc!
Long story short... Late last night was busy reading back through this thread, and idling perusing ebay and the facebook classifieds too. Then just happened to see this Cannondale CAAD13, right size, looks good in red (they're dull otherwise!), looks like its barely been used, and the price is keen... REALLY keen... So I messaged him just to ask if it was still available, half expecting him to be a scammer at the price it was. It was immediately obvious the guy was genuine, so I asked for his phone number. Gave him a call, it was a genuine lockdown purchase that he just didn't get into, and its been hanging around, his wife is giving him grief, he needs it gone ASAP but has had a couple of vultures offering stupid prices he has turned down but doesn't want it hanging around past christmas...
So I went to see it this evening. He's done less than 100 miles on it in the 2 and a bit years he has had it! Cost him £1899 plus accessories... Current version (identical spec pretty much) is now £2300...
I didn't even haggle at £1k!
I might like it, I might not... But for the price it ws a zero risk purchase... I could sell it next week for more than I paid for it, I could sell it at Easter for a tidy profit!
If nothing else it has bought be time to properly think about this dilemma further...
Pics to follow, but this is what it looks like...
Review here... https://road.cc/content/review/cannondale-caad13-disc-105-2020-269731
No real plans just yet other than to ditch the heavy stock wheels for something lighter and tubeless compatible, fit my own contact points and hopefully ditch the semi compact rings for a normal compact setup (I am weak as a kitten right now, will take time to work back towards a semi compact setup!)...
My Road Logic 2.0 is easily my favourite bike and as others have said I’ve largely found disc brakes unnecessary on the road.
Agreed and agreed... However... I'm more concerned by being able to use 28mm+ tyres and mudguards easily, and rim brakes still preclude that sadly...
The trade deal on Cervelo is pretty good!
Unfortunately stock isn’t very good still!
Yeah I figured... The whole point of this thread (what I have just written aside!) was to give me inspiration so I could start looking and whittling down a shortlist, to then get an order in at some point in the future... That may well still happen, I just now have a more suitable bike to be going on with in the meantme.
Ive got a Caledonia 5
I'd have to go with the lower spec Caledonia, can deal with internal cable routing through the downtube, can't deal with it going in through the stem, down the headtube, all through the frame right the way to the rear dropouts!
Without wanting to be negative ned, didn’t you just say you wanted something not really racey? And that the big brands were like white goods?
Good choice bike in my view. I had the CAAD 10 Black Inc and it was an amazing bike, but it was definitely a racey geometry. Have they made it more endurance based now? Mine was my crit bike….I also had a Supersix at the same time and thought they were both either the same or very similar geometry.
Anyhoo nice bike and hope you enjoy it.
The 56 and 58 are 73 degrees parallel; about as traditional road bike geometry as you will find - see all those 60’s to 90’s steel frames. So handling will be great like your Ritchey, but stiffer and lighter with disc brakes (if that matters). I got my third cat on Son1’s CAAD8 with swapped forks and wheels. They ride really well. Till the BB30 starts to creak. I’m still a sucker for skinny tubes though, personally.
Without wanting to be negative ned, didn’t you just say you wanted something not really racey?
I'll be honest, when someone said the CAAD13 originally, I wrote it off based on my knowledge and experience of older Cannondale geometry. The CAAD13 is shorter and has more stack height, and a sloping top tube where the CAAD12 was very racy. I hadn't realised I'll be honest, and am pleasantly surprised Cannondale have mellowed their geometry a little, cos as mainstream brands go, it's the one I've always maintained a soft spot for regardless...
That said, still wouldn't have gone into it if it didn't make financial sense should I not end up liking it.
Have they made it more endurance based now?
Quite surprisingly so!
56cm CAAD10 reach... 394... Stack... 560
56cm CAAD13 reach... 389... Stack... 575
So like for like it's 5mm shorter and 15mm taller! It hasn't turned it into a Synapse, but it's a usefully better fit for those of us who don't have a personal masseuse to wile away the post ride aches and pains...
I also had a Supersix at the same time and thought they were both either the same or very similar geometry.
Yup... CAAD and Supersix hae seemingly always echoed each other geometry wise, and the same is still true... Latest Supersix is same geo as CAAD13 it seems.
I want something that makes me feel joy just looking at it, and want to ride it the long way to the pub for a pint where I can sit staring at it longingly, until I get to ride it home again… Any passer by “what’s that, it’s stunning” comments actively welcomed!
...and then you bought a CAAD13? The ugliest CAAD ever?!
Well I like it anyway.
😀
I don't mind CAAD13's at all, and would happily own one as a winter bike. Cannondales are some of the best handling bikes I've owned. But its a long way from a gorgeous Ritchey, or a hand-built Rourke 🙂
More of a Ford Fiesta than a Pinanfarina.
That'll be lovely with a better set of wheels, as you say OP.
What you got your eye on? There are some good prices on Prime wheels at CRC at the mo.
Agreed and agreed… However… I’m more concerned by being able to use 28mm+ tyres and mudguards easily, and rim brakes still preclude that sadly…
On that, 28mm tyres and TRP deep drops on my old Thorn 531c frame, with room for Kinesis alu guards. That's the maximum tyre width though.
Nice choice, very hard to go wrong with something like that. Some nice deep and wide carbon rims and 28mm tyres will have that flying along in relative comfort.
Good choice.
Been looking at a CAAD 13 myself but finding one in my size has been a challenge!
Fast but practical very much like my Caledonia though!
Regards,
Max.
More of a Ford Fiesta than a Pinanfarina.
I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, but will ask if you’ve driven a modern Fiesta though too, especially an ST… Awesome fun! And let’s face it, with the Asbo red paint and the fact I’m about to bling the wheels up, that’s exactly what this is! 😂
That’ll be lovely with a better set of wheels, as you say OP.
What you got your eye on?
It seems that whilst most companies are guilty of hampering their bikes with crap wheels as stock, some companies are more guilty than others! Step forward Cannondale… 😂 I reckon even some Fulcrum 5 DB’s would be a massive step forward over what’s on there now!
Not 100% sure… Merlin doing Cannondales own Hollowgram 45’s for 1/2 price right now is tempting… But in a way, I’d rather stick with alloy rims. Hunt’s 34 Aero Wides are on the list, but not sure how stiff they are (I like stiff wheels on a road bike and I’m the wrong side of 90kg), get good reviews though. But then also there’s a couple of pairs of Reynolds AR29’s on eBay for cheap too, which is probably where I’ll end up going (yes I know they’re carbon but great ride quality and the shallower depth makes them a better all rounder than something 45mm+)… Though also very tempted by some Fulcrum Racing Zero DB’s too, having really enjoyed the rim brake version in the past!
The 90/120 BCD 4arm chainrings are throwing up a challenge mind! FSA only and even Windwave don’t have stock currently… 🤦🏻♂️ Watching a few 5 arm spider cranks on eBay now though also considering getting a Spidering too. No desire to spend huge money on a C-Bear BB just to fit a Shimano Chainset anyway! I’m fine with BB30 and have a stash of 6806’s left over from when I owned my shop anyway! 👍🏻
So... Irony of ironies... As is often the way when you give up on a dream, and commit yourself to a secondary choice, your dream (or something very close to it) will often present itself to you shortly afterwards!
Well blow me if I haven't just done a deal on a Condor Super Acciaio Disc with Chorus 12spd, Shamal wheels etc. with a guy in Brum who's been told in no uncertain terms by his wife that he needs to trim his bike collection down! 😂
Anyway... Deal done... Even got someone lined up for the CAAD13 it seems too, not after buying some upgraded wheels and a different crank for it though of course (will get my money back on those though).
As for mudguards...? Meh... I've still got some Raceblades kicking around they'll do... 😉
That's lovely!
Particularly like the wheels, if I go carbon I think it would be shallow like that 👍
If you're inventive and patient you can dremellise avset of PDW guards to work with almost any frame, ironically I learned this trying to fit some to a Specialized Allez that claimed mudguard clearance 🙄
The trick is to chop the front guard at the back of the fork crown, and split the year guard either side of the brake callipers. Requires some 'Sheldon's Nuts' which are clever threaded calliper bolts, and also a variety of extra PDW bridges etc.
Nice. Too nice to put Raceblades on... save those things for an old retired bike with many 1000s of miles on it.
Nice. Too nice to put Raceblades on… save those things for an old retired bike with many 1000s of miles on it.
I don't have one! Hence my comment... A strip of invisiframe up the chainstays and backs of the fork legs to stop any rubbing to the paint would suffice... Raceblades were literally invented for people who wanted to ride their nice bikes all year round, but anyway...
Thinking a 2nd set of wheels with fast rolling 35-40mm tyres on my Gravel bike for any potential winter road duties will make a better bet probably.
Gorgeous bike! Sod the guards, just hang it on the living room wall over winter.