[Closed] New Hope mtb

all made in the UK

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/hope-hb160-launch-full-details/

I do like the look of this.

A lot!

Now, seeing as 1x is the new black, there's no need to make a front mech. Surely that makes it easier for Hope to finally make that rear mech that's been kicking around for a while.....

Pretty sure the video was all made in the UK Rorscharch. 😉

Fair play to them and hope (no pun intended) that they do ok.

I think it's a lot of money but appreciate that isn't unique to hope.

Pretty sure the video was all made in the UK Rorscharch

Mmmmmm, that's very nice.

But what colour for the anodising? Decisions, decisions

It's really nice but I'd feel like a right t!t riding it

I'm not a Hope fanboy,I pick and choose their stuff, or not, depending on merit.

That said a classy, classy looking bike!

I wish them good luck with the venture.

Why wouldn't I/anyone?! 😀

Filmed in Serre Chevalier.Ha!

Touchè, we could argue the semantics of 'made' and 'Filmed' but I'm tired. 🙂

Edited, for CFH. Apologies for having fat thumbs.

It might not have any standard parts on that back end but you know it will be supported for as long as they're in business.

Love the fact that there's no alignment adjustment on the rear caliper.

Touchè

If you're going to use an accent, at least try and make it the right one!

Touché is what you meant!

Also, big up da Serre Che massif, innit! 😀

A £400 pair of wheels on a £7500 bike, I'm out!!!

Reach is pretty short on the medium size, I imagine they'll be working on longer, lower, slacker moulds in due course. Otherwise it looks great, I don't have a problem buying a complete bike that, effectively, has bespoke parts. I hope (pun intended!) that they sell enough to continue with the bikemaking enterprise.

A bike built in the UK for a Californian market ?

Where's the mud clearance in that back end ?

The marketing department will need to work on this one ....

Main HB.160 designer Guillaume (left) and Doddy explaining the benefits of not using any conventional standards for the new bike.

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Not far from the prototyes that have been kicking around

They have been riding that bike about for the last couple of years or so!

At least it's been tested well

yeah im not so convinced either. have seen a few of them around over the last 12 months or so but its aesthetics (apart from the finish) have never blown me away. its just looks like it should've been released 2 years ago? for £7.5k you'd at least want some fancy carbon hoops, a boost backend and a bottle cage...

but you get to choose your anodising colour on Hope finishing kit.

all those bloody nooks a crannies to clean, do they do a frame only option ?

Its only the front tri thays carbon, apparently to keep costs down.... 😆

reminds me of my old Nukeproof mega, just with the top of the shock on the downtube instead.

I don't think it's bad value for those that like this kind of thing, certainly a similar price to any top spec other brand bike.

However, it's not where I'd put £7.5k if I had to spend it on a bike.

It looks nice, but like most things Hope, it's about 2 years behind the curve.

I'm sure they will sell well though 🙂

I don't think it's bad value for those that like this kind of thing, certainly a similar price to any top spec other brand bike

For 7500 I would be looking for higher spec wheels, but I suppose they have to 'keep costs down'.

Looking forward to seeing the 29er version soon.

I think it's brilliant they've managed to do this. Who else is managing to make a carbon frame without cheap eastern labour? The list is very short... And I think the rear hub solution is a great one, seems a better standard for the real world.

Its great that they have done it, but would I buy one at 7.5k? No...
IMO there are other nicer 'full' custom (UK if you want it) options out there with a more modern approach (robot bike co), which you could kit out with hope part as for less money.
Although I like idea of the 'non standard' standards that they are using on the back end, having never had an issue with my 197mm Fat bike chain stay width hitting trees etc its a bit of a unnecessary design (again. IMO).

As [s]most[/s] much of the kit is in-house and the wheels are 400 (at retail) i would love to find out how much a frame only option would be..... 6.5k+?

TBH £7,500 is much less than I feared it might cost, I was bracing for 5 figures...

The 5 figures top end bikes have wheels that if on this bike would push it to that price too.

Why would hope spec someone else's wheels for their bike though?

I like it, I'd have one with Orange bits on it

I like it. The finish in the flesh is amazing.

I think it's not too bad value wise given that it's produced in the U.K. in small quantities. Only shame for me is swapping the Ohlins for Fox.

Why would hope spec someone else's wheels for their bike though?

I never said they should, but you're then comparing Apple's with oranges with the 10k bike comparison.

Frinstance, intense trader at 10k cones with enve rims at a grand a pop, before you factor in hubs.

So to say it's not a 10k bike is not a straightforward as it looks.

Fwiw, I'd never spend that on wheels anyway, but folk shopping on bikes at this price do.

Just sayin.

I watched the vid late last night ....but what do people mean by non-standard parts ?
My understanding when sleepy was this is actually one of the few bike still using standard parts as SRAM push boost ???

(This being a perspective that Boost isn't a standard 😀 as most bikes being ridden as opposed to bought are not boost)

To be fair I'd be pretty scared using the bike for its intended purpose... unless they are offering crash damage replacement

130mm x 17mm rear axle...

Bizarre rear end...

A few mm extra clearance each side but rules out nice big tyre choices and mud room.
If it is such a concern, why not bin the dangler and go pinion?

At the price, it looks doomed to fail. Shame, as it looks nice overall.

So many folk moan about 'standards' but it's great if good old British company do it!

They are'nt trying to introduce new industry standards.

At the price, it looks doomed to fail. Shame, as it looks nice overall.

They're only going to be making 10 a week so it doesn't need to many orders to meet demand, especially when they get through the initial UK orders and then open it up to europe and the US.

They're making it to order so risk is much lower and once the moulds on the frames have paid themselves back it's just a case of running the programme on the CNC machines and laying up the carbon for the frames.

It's quite clever how they've done this, it may or may not be a high profit product for them, but it's a good advert for what they can do

FWIW, I think it's a lovely looking bike, and hope have been doing proper testing for a couple if years now, so shouldn't really be many issues with it, I'd live a shot.

It's good to see a UK company doing this, I really hope it is a roaring success.

But it is expensive, no getting away from that, at least it'll mean SC, Yeti and intense won't be held up the dearest bikes now!.

Reminds me of what Pace did when they started out. No compromise, just making what they believed to be the best bike.

it may or may not be a high profit product for them

I think it's great that Hope decided to make something that they wanted rather than based on an accounting IRR/shareholder value decision etc.

As they say in the video - the whole design & development process brought a huge 'lift' to the entire company.

As a 'contribution to bottom line' it may be minimal, but as a contribution to the Hope 'Brand' I think it's priceless.

Hope aren't stupid, they will have done the numbers and be making money on this.

People pay similar amount for boutique Evil/ Yeti/ Intense etc frames and builds, so I'm not sure this is crazy money compared to some. Well out of my price range, but can see why people would want one. Looks amazing.

I think it looks good and would defo support a local firm and have one if I had the cash, which I don't.

Spec wise it's not a mile off the launch edition Orange Stage 5 which is 5.5k so frame only at 3.5k would be my guess. Not bad for British made when compared to the Far East completion.

Winced when I saw their bars are £160 but now I see they're also locally made I might consider them.

Hope aren't stupid, they will have done the numbers and be making money on this

From memory this isn't how they structure their financal/ business decisions.

I recall from a few years ago, an article that said they 'lease purchase' many of their CNC machines and run them constantly until they have 'paid for themselves'. They can then be used for R&D and experimental projects etc

During the video they make a couple of light-hearted references to how much the Hope bike project 'cost' and accountants etc

Whilst I'm sure Hope won't be 'losing' money on this venture I think it's refreshing for a manufacturing company to look beyond the purely 'contribution to the bottom line' decision making process.

Something that is perhaps only possible these days with a 'privately owned company'.

They received a free DTI report some years ago that said that the owners could make considerable more money for themselves by outsourcing all the manufacturing to the far-east.

Hope threw the report in the bin ...

They didn't want to make money ... they wanted to make a bike! 8)

DTI suggesting that manufacturing being sent off-shore? Surely not!

Aye, but it's a good story for the fanbois.

Stunning bike. Nitvana in Wedtcott have sold theirs already.

In case people hadn't seen the video. I've watched it twice 🙂

Spec wise it's not a mile off the launch edition Orange Stage 5 which is 5.5k so frame only at 3.5k would be my guess. Not bad for British made when compared to the Far East completion.

There's no way that would be a 3.5k frame at retail. They've spec'd all of their own Hope components made in house by them, also selling direct to customer or only through a select few shops who will no doubt be making very little off the top line (essentially a handling fee) as hope are also selling direct. So the cost comparison with an orange really doesn't work.
My guess is that they are selling at almost the same profit margin that selling the frame alone would cost but didn't want to try to sell a frame (inc proprietary hub and brakes) for a high figure (5or6k+?).

Having actually seen one in the flesh, in france after the launch event Im not convinced for the following reasons.

Its really short
The back end looks designed to double in weight at the merest hint of mud
You are forced to use hope parts only on it for the rest of the bikes life as everything is non standard.
The wheels dont do the bike justice for the price

It's not a short as it was previously - 475 reach in large is longer than a lot of the competition.

Don't disagree with your other points, though - surprised they kept the propietary stuff, I'd very much prefer it with standard rear hubs/brakes/etc

New Hope mtb

Thought this thread would be about Star Wars.

...is disappoint.

I'd very much prefer it with standard rear hubs/brakes/etc

I reckon there'll be a cheaper version with all that later. Milk the rich fanbois for their cash to help pay for the set-up, training and R&D, then once the skills and moulds are in place start making cheaper ones to make more coin.

Saw one in the flesh at Swinnertons bike shop today, looks good. And I wouldn't worry to much about the back end collecting mud, don't think a lot of these bikes will see anything other than dry trails 😉

Digby - From memory this isn't how they structure their financal/ business decisions.

I suspect its 6 of one, half dozen the other.

There is no better marketing than denying there is any marketing going on.

There is no better marketing than denying there is any marketing going on.

Actually I think the 'recieved wisdom' is that there is no better marketing than 'word of mouth'.

...and it would appear that Hope have indeed managed to get folks 'chatting' about their new product! 😉

Mmmmmm, that's very nice.

But what colour for the anodising? Decisions, decisions

BLACK

The biggest shame is that they have taken so long to get the bike to market that the geometry is a bit yesterday.

@wrecker read Bontraget's inyerview in this month's mag. Current geometry is just a fad with no real performance benefit

Very nice looking. Not enough geometry change from my bike to warrant a change and way more than I can afford to spend so sadly I'm not their target customer.

jambalaya - Member

Current geometry is just a fad with no real performance benefit

Having felt the difference that steep SA and long reach has on tech climbing, I can safely say he's talking out of his arse without having to read the article

Having felt the difference that steep SA and long reach has on tech climbing

I guess you never rode or studied geometry of the Bontrager OR frames. Or read the article.

brant - Member

I guess you never rode or studied geometry of the Bontrager OR frames. Or read the article.

I said I didn't read the article. Just disagreeing with the statement that " Current geometry is just a fad with no real performance benefit" - by citing a real benefit of current geometry.

A steep seat angle and long reach is a new thing?

brant - Member
A steep seat angle and long reach is a new thing?

Not necessarily - but it is "current"

what's the thoughts behind "some unusual elements... 130mm dropout rear end ...with a 17mm thru-axle and 25mm location spacers, designed to maximise stiffness."

somet goes wrong, it's non standard, no? are the other standards not good enough? [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/can-someone-explain-different-rear-axle-sizes-please ]previous rear hub posts[/url]

I had the chance to look at one, nearly fell over at £7k but it's not aimed at me.
For me i cant work out why there is no bottle mount on so many modern bikes.

Here's my obligatory link to the [url= https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/hope-hb-160-2018/ ]geometry on geometrygeeks[/url]

Actually saw one of these at the weekend at Inners. Was going too fast to look properly though. True story.

geo looks fine (for me). The current trend for slack and long isn't my thing though.

It looks bloody mint and their rear wheel/hub theory is the way forward.

I think the people who buy this will be lovers of all things Hope, therefore not too bothered about having to buy Hope replacements where there is a SRAM / Shim / xxStandard alternate available easier for less.

I double up on non standard Hope specific parts when going away, with no expectation of being able to purchase overseas. Just consider it a cost of ownership which is actually not too bad when compared to bike park costs for parts / 365 day returns when taking a van anyway 🙂

If this is their proof of concept I can't wait to see their 2nd / 3rd attempts and hope they continue to grow / keep manufacturing in the U.K.

A few mm extra clearance each side but rules out nice big tyre choices and mud room.

I dunno (never seen it, tyre clearance might be rubbish, but not for that reason) if you offset the hub you can push the cassette a long way over, Surly build fat bikes with 135mm hubs. So presumably Hope just put the cassette where they thought it should be, which sets your drive side flange position, make the left side symmetrical and you've got a hub that's as wide as need be.

And big axles just make sense.