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[quote=nealglover ]Only if I bought your product
I'm probably not the only person who uses Petrol/Diesel in the course of running their business ??
There may be others.
Yep - and the costs of providing services/products should be borne by the customers. Perhaps some service providers would actually be able to offer a lower cost based on the use of public transport, the bicycle or not travelling at all.
Probably not almost every Shop and supermarket though eh ?
Who are you trying to convince with that by the way ?Nobody here has said any different have they.
Or do you just like shouting stuff.
SHOUTING
Why don't we, tax people (more) for using petrol and stop taxing 'em for having some types of car. That way people who drive about more pay more tax which is fair, no-one thinks they're more entitled to the road because all they're doing is paying for fuel, people who drive about more will want to drive about even less thus encouraging biking and buses and canal barges and every one will love cyclists.
Was abolishing VED and bumping fuel duty or basing road tax on annual mileage not proposed a couple of years ago?
If I recall correctly even the devil Clarkson himself spoke up in favour, the logic is impeccable, those who drive the polutiest (thirstiest) vehicles more miles pay the most, those that buy a clean machine and drive less, pay less...
The truth is nobody really pays a sufficient rate for the pollution their car creates, including Leccy jobs...
But as was said, VED is no excuse for dangerous driving...
the logic is impeccable... those that buy a clean machine and drive less, pay less...
Except they'll pay [i]more[/i] than they currently do, as I explained above.
I do hope that all those of us bleating to each other on a cycling site are actually posting their great points in the places where they might change someone's mind.
If not it's all hot air.
ffs who turned this into a boring VED thread? I wanted updates on the story not mindless rehashing of something we all know about anyway, oh wait, I just realised where I am.
[i]I do hope that all those of us bleating to each other on a cycling site are actually posting their great points in the places where they might change someone's mind.[/i]
The targets of any discussion are of the intellectual capacity displayed below.
"I just hit a cyclist and then tweeted about it"
Debating with these people will never change their minds, we should turn up with twenty benson and a 2 litre bottle of ALDI blue cider if we want to do that. 😉
what fuzzy said!
ffs who turned this into a boring VED thread? I wanted updates on the story not mindless rehashing of something we all know about anyway, oh wait, I just realised where I am.
Exactly, it's gone way off topic now.
[url= http://road.cc/content/news/84284-nofolk-bloodycyclists-twitter-story-hits-local-national-headlines-cyclists ]Back on topic[/url]
Its made the Mail, the Guardian & The Independent. I bet this Doris is feeling bloody stupid now!
ffs who turned this into a boring VED thread? I wanted updates on the story not mindless rehashing of something we all know about anyway, oh wait, I just realised where I am.
The story is done. There is nothing more to say really, unless you just want more links to how different news agencies are covering exactly the same thing?
If so then here it is on Sky: http://news.sky.com/story/1093752/drivers-twitter-boast-about-hitting-cyclist (who also explain the "road tax" thing - bless them)
I do hope that all those of us bleating to each other on a cycling site are actually posting their great points in the places where they might change someone's mind.
And I hope everyone here has taken a moment to [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-please-sign-the-get-britain-cycling-e-petition-1 ][b]SIGN THE PETITION to help improve conditions on the road for cyclists[/b][/url]?
[url= http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/tweet-sparks-cyclist-outrage-20130522-2k0j6.html ]Made the news here in Oz as well... Silly girl...[/url]
I'll bet she's regretting it now
"Police probe 21-year-old UK driver"
According to the CTC, Cartlon Reid will be on the Jeremy Vine Show (Radio 2) today at 1:40 to discuss the issue.
"Police probe 21-year-old UK driver"
Ooh it's a bit more serious now. Strip and cavity searches for motoring offences!!
I'm on my third burning torch, whens the lynching going to start proper?
According to the CTC, Cartlon Reid will be on the Jeremy Vine Show (Radio 2) today at 1:40 to discuss the issue.
I shall listen with interest and try not to shout at the radio when the inevitable ****nuggets call in 😆
Was just about to post as what swavis said ^^
Might even call in to the Jeremy Vine show myself. 😉
The only realistic long term prospect to get people to understand this is a proper road pricing scheme. Abolish VED, cut fuel prices but then charge per mile with a fee based on time of day, type of roads and type of car. That way it's easily understood by even the dippiest moron.
charge per mile with a fee based on time of day, type of roads and type of car. That way it's easily understood by even the dippiest moron.
True - but then we'd get EVEN MORE hassle for not paying it on bikes (assuming cyclists would be exempt) so it's not really a great solution for us.
Even more complicated though, the Fuel duty solution is so much easier - if you want to discourage commuters put a small small charge on commuter roads (i.e. 50p) on a morning, you could pay people to collect it, provide some employment. A mini congestion charge, would make good sense then for cyclists to be excepted.
Now you're talking. I'd be happy waiting for cyclist to ride through the toll point and give chase. If I catch 'em they have to pay up, if not, well, well done to you sir.
How about if your bike makes any 'worrying noises' then you pay, if not and the chain's well cared for, you go for free?
yes. Plus there will some crimes that can simply not go unpunished.
Plastic bag over the saddle, seat too low, people doing 3mph on a 5 grand road bike and fat bikes.
The free of charge lane should be 12 inches wide, with censors... if you go outside that lane (ie, can't ride in a straight line), you pay.
It would encourage better riding skills.
Oh and +1 on the seat too low knees out penalty...
The mash has an interesting perspective
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/motorists-and-cyclists-united-against-pedestrians-2013052269600 ]Daily Mash[/url]
This has bugger all to do with VED. People and goods would not need to travel such distances as they do ( or nip down the shops in their car), if the car / truck hadn't been made so readily available. Simple fact is they are and an infrastructure needs to be available for them. It's big, complicated and made comically expensive by signage for the terminally thick.
The entire problem here is a woman totally unable to be responsible for her own actions and utter inability to interact.
For what it's worth, the wife and I have 3 vehicles. Her car ( she can't even ride a bike !). Our van for camping and carting toys about and a car which I have been provided with by work. I probably do about 25000 miles a year driving these days and don't enjoy much of it. But, equally I don't mind paying VED as we do need good roads otherwise it would all grind to a halt twice a day, much earlier than it does already. I do, however , hate how much insurance we pay, largely down to the utter social incapability of morons like this.
Hope the guy who got hits suffers no future problem as a result.
P.S. If this all sounds a bit like I drive everywhere, I'm lucky to have good trails within 10 miles of home and ride to them as often as I get chance.
After a couple of stella's i could probably overlook Ms Way's horrific personality and assist the Police in giving her a probing.
[i] equally I don't mind paying VED as we do need good roads otherwise[/i]
it doesn't make the roads any better. 😉
Now running on [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22614569 ]BBC Magazine[/url]
equally I don't mind paying VED as we do need good roads
How did you get this far in the thread and miss the point that VED DOESN'T PAY FOR ROADS ?! 😕
If it does not pay for roads then why is it called road tax MORON
Should try this anon on twitter or you tube to really get you 😉
Its on BBC Radio 2 now.
From the BBC article:
"They're dressed exclusively in lycra and wraparound shades, they ride on the pavement, go the wrong way down one way streets and straight through red lights. And that's why motorists hate them."
I just don't get this at all. I don't actually see a lot of commuters in lycra and wrapround shades, but why does it matter so much to drivers what cyclists wear???
And how is that any different from complaining about say "those Indian fellows coming here and wearing turbans"?
And yes, I do ride on pavements and the wrong way up one-way streets. But I do this [b]legally[/b] (shared use pavement and cycle contraflow one-way). I wonder how many non-cyclists realise this?
Why does Vine have to bellow?
Could they have got a more shouty, angry man that missed the point of the whole article.
I think this picture from the bbc says everything you need to know about what the problem is. Nothing to do with VED.
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You've gone out and spent a lot of money on a car. Now you're stuck in a big queue because every other bugger has done the same thing.
Then some cock on a bike just rolls past without a care in the world KILL HIM!!!
Its pointless i see more bad driving from cars than bikes but I see more cars than bikes
i think it annoys cars becaus ethey are stuck in traffic jams when this happens andthey wish they could do the same tbh
IME the worst cyclists - the red light jumpers and the pavement riders are people who own a bike rather than a cyclist
it might be placebo but im sure i get more room since i fitted the roadhawk visibly onto my helmet for commuting through the city.
folks at work said seeing cyclists with helmet cams on makes them give them more room.
works for me - infact id fit front and rear cams to my cars if the insurance decreased significantly for them being fitted.
the biggest issue i find is lack of respect - and i dont mean to other cyclists .... i mean the drivers dont even respect each other, what hope have cyclists got ?
I'm starting a business selling camera casings for people who can't afford the full camera...
Could they have got a more shouty, angry man that missed the point of the whole article.
YES
I though he was one of the characters from 'Down the line' 😕
Never really listened to Jeremy Vine, think I havent really missed much. Is he the chattering classes Jeremy Kyle?
It seemed like a wasted and slightly miss matched 'debate'. What I came away with is trucker doesnt like people braking the law but wasnt really getting the issue was the driver braking the law.
If people want to push cyclist behavior maybe some thought should be given to why cyclists feel the safest course of action may not be acording to the highway code. For example the decision to roll a red light on a junction when its green for pedestrians rather than risk a manover in the flow of traffic.
Carlton Reid for PM! Or Mayor of London when Boris leaves to be PM 🙂
He really is a one-man campaign, doing more for correcting the anti-cyclist myths than all the 'official' campaigning organisations put together, IMO
If it does not pay for roads then why is it called road tax MORON
VED DOES NOT PAY FOR ROADS..... but even if it did current VED rates are based on the CO2 emissions of a vehicle and those with zero emissions pay £0, therefore in the current VED system a bike pays nothing !
living up to your name i see excitable1 - the poster was being fascicious(sp) i suspect.