Well, the product is a bit of a gamble eh?
It was as I couldn't find anyone I knew with a set of these brakes due to them being so new.
I'm pleased to say they are a quality item and probably the best brakes I've used
It was as I couldn’t find anyone I knew with a lack of scruples and moral righteousness
set of these brakes due to them being so new.I’m pleased to say they are a quality item and probably the best brakes I’ve used.
Fixed it for you. Please report back in a year.
I know crazy. I've found what arguably is the best brake I've felt and people are going berserk that I've spent my own money on a product. You'd think I've done something illegal.
Lewis haven't done anything different to any other company who use ideas from other products. It's hard to understand peoples hatred. They need to calm down.
Fixed it for you. Please report back in a year.
I can feel your anger.
Why are you so angry about these brakes.
Was it wrong of me to spend my own money buying them? If the Hope brakes were better, I'd have bought those.
Happy to come back in a year and report on them. If they turn out to be crap I'll happily say so. If they are still good in a few months, I'm tempted to buy another set of their ti model.
How long have you had them? You were only asking about them just over a week ago?
To be fair that's long enough for recent hope calipers to start leaking and my OH to kill me if I'd spent Trickstuff ammounts.
Meh, arseholes have been a scene staple for years, I know one top ranking DH rider that had a serious (inherited) attitude problem that went as far as seemingly denying any SDA participation after a run in for poor behaviour.
My trail on the same hill, however was a more direct dig at influencers, but none of them have ever seemed to have used it, as I don’t think the name would go down too well with their followers
There's a decent choice but I'm going with Only Fools Follow? And the other one being in the vicinity?
Why are you so angry about these brakes.
People who've bought Trickstuff will be pissed off because the original versions of these brakes are what? 3 times the price? And here's some-one taking them for mugs. Importing brakes that they hope will sell well simply becasue they look very similar to those brakes, and people will buy them on that basis,. After all, that's why these have been made to look like they have; so that people will confuse/assume they are the same brakes, you'd have to be pretty stupid not to understand that.
Was it wrong of me to spend my own money buying them?
Your money, your morals. But see above, if you want Trickstuff brakes, buy them. This is no better than buying knock off fags or booze from dodgy Del in the Dog and Whistle. Would you buy forks from him that were made by a company you'd never come across before; Livingstone Inc and Just happened to be that shade of orange, and had shiny gold stanchions?
People who’ve bought Trickstuff will be pissed off because the original versions of these brakes are what? 3 times the price? And here’s some-one taking them for mugs. I.................
Your money, your morals. But see above, if you want Trickstuff brakes, buy them. This is no better than buying knock off fags
Visually they're undeniably similar.
But as pointed out on the last page, the engineering seems different (different piston sizes etc).
So either someone's done a really bad copy of Trickstuff and halfassed it with their own piston sizes.
Or someone's done a really good copy, and then R&D'd it further to make even more power.
Or they've developed them from scratch and just nicked Trickstuffs aesthetic.
Either way I'm still struggling to get worked up over it. Did trickstuff nick that little brace/nub thing off Shimano, or did Shimano nick it from Trickstuff?
People who’ve bought Trickstuff will be pissed off because the original versions of these brakes are what? 3 times the price?
Couldn’t give less of a shit. Had these been available 5 years ago, still copying TS, I wouldn’t have bought them.
Did trickstuff nick that little brace/nub thing off Shimano
No.
Nickc no one is confusing them with trick stuff. People getting angry about these brakes is laughable. In fact it probably suggests how good they are.
If they were crap and literally terrible quality and didn't work, but just looked like trickstuff there would be no anger towards them because they'd never take off.
Comparing it to buying dodgy fags is pathetic. I've bought them from the distributor and paid VAT on them. Money is changing hands in this country legitimately and not going direct to China.
I struggle to see what your issue is.
I was willing to check/test these brakes out because I'd heard good things about them and they were a new product I'd not used before.
I don't rate the quality of sram/shimano. Yes they work well but have a cheap feel to them.
Nickc no one is confusing them with trick stuff
Uh huh, that they look completely identical is entirely coincidental, right?
I struggle to see what your issue is.
China's lack of respect of any ones IP. Trickstuff is a teeny company, they employ 3-4 people; something like that, these will effect their bottom line, simple as that, If I started importing steel frames and called them Kotic, at a third of the price, how'd that be? Doing stuff like this forces people out of business, and that's a shitty thing to do
I don’t rate the quality of sram/shimano. Yes they work well but have a cheap feel to them.
They don't even "work well" though.
Sram lever pistons swell, it's been a known issue for over a decade but they've not fixed it.
Shimano calipers leak, or at least did from ~8 years ago to sometime recently. Touch wood my current set are OK.
Hope's recent overhaul of it's lineup resulted in leaky caliper piston seals.
That's what's so bizarre about this outrage, the two biggest OEM's and probably the the most popular aftermarket brake manufacturers all either have in recent history made brakes bad enough for people to swear off them, or in some cases seemingly still do! Quite how they get away with not having to do a safety recall I've no idea.
But then people are saying they wouldn't trust the quality of a different brake? Objectively it'd be hard to gather a worse reputation for reliability.
What rotors are you running with these OP?
How do they compare to say Shimano XT or Saints? Or even Sram Code R's
I'm going to be on the lookout for a new brakeset to replace the Code R on my Levo. The front is fine but the rear is spongy (Despite a bleed) and the pistons are operating at different times. Fed up of having defective kit.
Cheers
Steve
It's getting a bit personal for some reason.
Having bumped into Alex twice at the golfie my brief encounter with him on both occasions was as pleasant as it was meeting anyone else out riding there bike .
I would say that whilst they resemble the appearance of trickstuff they are a well renowned slick highly regarded cnc company who have been trading in the automotive and medical industry for nearly 20 years and there factory is one of envy in China .
They have breached no copyright or patents so whilst morally you could argue a case I honestly think there are for more important things for people to vent such frustration on.
Buy them and be happy your actually buying something made in china that is actually very good
Don't buy them and be none the wiser and stick with what you like
Dont forget sram and shimano now both have factories in Taiwan and mainland China
And there not exactly bulletproof
But remember when your typing your angst your doing it on a iPhone or Samsung made in china .
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I think I raised a similar point on a previous page.
I'm not particularly angry, I'm just baffled why people are buying no-name, knock-off brakes (for more than a good set of Shimano) but apparently not other key lookylikey components from AliExpress.
Must simply be due to the YouTube influencer marketing.
I'm with you buddy 100%
Nickc is actually a really really nice guy but I don't agree with him here
We all are entitled to an opinion but it's got far too silly especially as Christmas is around the corner
Come on folks don't get to upset about such trivia
They don’t even “work well” though.
Sram lever pistons swell, it’s been a known issue for over a decade but they’ve not fixed it.
This is the reason I was on the lookout for some new brakes. My sram made it to about 3.5 years.
Uh huh, that they look completely identical is entirely coincidental, right?
Sorry I think there was a bit of confusion there. You said people will confuse/assume they are the same brake as trick stuff.
I was saying that's not the case here. I knew they were not trick stuff and I think anyone would be naive to get them mixed up. We all know it's a completely different brand.
What rotors are you running with these OP?
How do they compare to say Shimano XT or Saints? Or even Sram Code R’s
I’m going to be on the lookout for a new brakeset to replace the Code R on my Levo. The front is fine but the rear is spongy (Despite a bleed) and the pistons are operating at different times. Fed up of having defective kit.
Cheers
Steve
I'm running galfer shark rotors.
I'm not 100% convinced on the stock pads that came with the Lewis brakes yet so may swap them out for some Galfer purple pads. (They use the same pads as Hope V4)
If you're local, you are welcome to have a try.
Trickstuff is a teeny company, they employ 3-4 people; something like that, these will effect their bottom line, simple as that,
Trickstuff are part of DT Swiss, so not really a teeny company even if the division itself doesn't employ many people.
I’m not 100% convinced on the stock pads that came with the Lewis brakes yet so may swap them out for some Galfer purple pads. (They use the same pads as Hope V4)
I've found hope greens to be a big improvement in feel and noise. It's E4 not V4 pads though.
Nice brakes bro.
Wanna buy some Five Tens?
It’s not necessarily the fact they’re Chinese that’s the issue. It’s the fact they’ve taken an aesthetic, scanned it and generated a cutting path to replicate it. There was no need to do that.
It happens in many industries and I’ve seen the direct impact it has on companies my friends run. One of which has dropped down to a 4 day week as some cockjangler has done exactly this to one of their main product lines. 15 people now on 80% of their salary, right here in the North East.
In another instance I bought an oil cooler take off plate for an engine. I wanted a mocal but they were out of stock, so I bought a forge as they appeared to be identical - even having the mocal badge on the casting. A year later and I needed to replace the base o-ring on it so I phoned mocal, knowing they keep a hope-like spares inventory. It transpired they don’t make anything for forge & forge had simply used one of theirs to make a pattern to cast off. You can see their joke machining over the mocal badge that they failed to remove in the casting process.
Mocal are essentially a couple of boffins in a shed in Twickenham. Forge are a massive motorsports behemoth but are apparently notorious for this. It’s a practice that stinks, with patents and simple copyrights seemingly impossible to enforce without the backing of the likes of Bayer or Sony.
I’ve found hope greens to be a big improvement in feel and noise. It’s E4 not V4 pads though.
That was a typo, I went back to edit and it wouldn't let me.
I've got some red, green and purple galfer as spares ready to go when the stock ones have worn out. Greens are great put wear fast.
The mocal/forge and fake Adidas trainers is far worse. Lewis aren't pretending their brakes are trick stuff. If that were the case they wouldn't write lewis on them and they write something like stuff trick on them.
Anyone buying these Lewis brakes is buying them full well knowing they look similar to trick stuff but are made my someone else.
The lever adjustment and bleed port on the Lewis us so much better than trick stuff imo.
They must be good, its 5 pages of arguments.
They must be good, its 5 pages of arguments.
Classic STW 🤣
The mocal/forge and fake Adidas trainers is far worse.
And yet the embarrassment level of being caught with such a blatant ripoff is very similar.
And yet the embarrassment level of being caught with such a blatant ripoff is very similar
Not at all. I've shown them to loads of people and they absolutely love them. Most poeple I've shown them to haven't even heard of trick stuff.
One riding buddy has already ordered some Lewis after trying mine.
I honestly can't believe what it's turned in to. I honestly can't believe what it's turned in to. There are some very fragile and self righteous people on here.
I asked if the brakes were any good, so was expecting some yes, no, don't know.
I'm amazed at all the hatred and abuse. They shouldn't have commented with all the off topic stuff of mardy comments claiming what I've done is morally wrong.
I’m amazed at all the hatred and abuse.
Settle petal, the only ones getting abuse are Lewis who I'm sure couldn't find a **** to give if they tried.
I'm not in the market for brakes.
I'm happy with my tech3 E4 for just now, 8 years in.
When I looked at the first image, I thought trickstuff. They may be great brakes but ripping off the design is poor form. If you're producing a great product stand by it and bring a new design to it. Make it stand out.
If I reregistered here as matlockmeet to ride the wave of popularity that you've created on this thread, that would be equally poor form
If I reregistered here as matlockmeet to ride the wave of popularity that you’ve created on this thread, that would be equally poor form
Depends if your surname is Meet.
Not sure why people are still getting hung up on this, some folk must have a very fragile state of mind that they get triggered so easy. The support tab on the lever clamp has been copied by either shimano or trick stuff, where is the outcry for that?
I think what really irks people is they've done a great job with these brakes.
Not sure why people are still getting hung up on this,
Because (for the nth time) really obviously stealing other peoples designs and passing them off as your own is a shitty business practice
some folk must have a very fragile state of mind that they get triggered so easy.
I think the only person on the thread who's being triggered seems to be you really, you seem to be massively defensive and making up excuses about your decision to buy them. Look; most folks can't afford Trickstuff brakes, but nevertheless probably admire them for what they are, and the craftsmanship and engineering skill that's gone into designing and making them, and probably wish the company well. For some-one to come along and make brakes (however well they perform) that look identical; just sticks in the throat. You can claim all you like that they're not Trickstuff copies regardless that they just happen to look identical. Or change the subject and suggest that Shimano or SRAM brakes aren't all that good. But most folks can see this for what it is.
They'll always be folks that don't care about it, that's fine, your money and all that, but at the same time, I wouldn't be too fast to have a pop at folks for whom this crosses a line.
The support tab on the lever clamp has been copied by either shimano or trick stuff, where is the outcry for that?
Copying 1 feature isn't quite the same as copying an entire assembly.
I think what really irks people is they’ve done a great job with these brakes.
No, no. People are being quite clear about why this has annoyed them and I'm sure by now you know it's not that
I’m in the camp of ‘spend a bit more for a set of Hope brakes’ However I do wonder if these were £100 cheaper and anodised black if there would be so much faux outrage 🤷🏻♂️
Why didn’t you go with one of the countless other original options from, off the top of my head,
Magura
Formula
Hayes
TRP
Or if you wanted niche CNCd ones
Radic
BSA
Braking
Intend
612
Instead going for untested, by anyone independent of the maker, knock offs?
FFS leave him alone you vultures.
if there would be so much faux outrage
What makes you think that the "outrage" is faked?
What makes you think that the “outrage” is faked?
Because it focuses on the "it looks like trickstuff" and ignores the "but trickstuff looks exactly like a CNC'd version of Shimano but with a SRAM level blade". And as pointed out the leverage ratios don't match trickstuff.
So we're down to "it looks like another brand, that already looks like other brands"
What makes you think that the “outrage” is faked?
Because at the end of the day this is grown ups arguing about push bike brakes on the internet 🤣 if it’s not then you need to have a word with yourself.
kinda hilarious that those who've dropped a grand or two or more on trickstuff over the years and waited over a year for them to arrive have gotten their noses put out of joint and getting narky on forums, I personally couldn't care less, there's more pressing things to be outraged about, everything gets copied to some extent, if trickstuff have grounds to sue them then do it, if not then good on Lewis, I look forward to the anodised ones I've seen on Instagram coming out, I just might find them hard to resist, the fact it bugs trickstuff owners is an added bonus 😂
Not a Trickstuff owner, I just don't like folk getting ripped off. See also Giant. HTH
