[Closed] Le Tour - Stage 16, Bourg le Peage to Gap

Star.

He'd not be badly thought of for having a bit of a sit down after that.

Poels bringing Thomas in, just about to cross line.

Here he is. Home. I am dumbstruck and relieved.

yep he's on the tv now. bl00dy legend. tears in my eyes. i thought he'd been seriously injured.

Looks like he only lost about 30 secs at the endf, well done G.

Looks to be going ok.

😀

May have kept his GC place!

G has still come in ahead of a good size group, he's absolutely nails that boy.

I think G may be having a quiet word with someone tonight after that incident!

Looks like Barguil used the Playstation method of cornering to get round that - barge sideways into other cars to bounce yourself back on course.

Just seen the replay Thomas was lucky there - looked like he just managed to avoid hitting the post full force. 😯
RM.

Super G! fantastic.

New GC, very few changes.
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Barguil almost did the same to Peols a few bends later.

Definitely not lost his sense of humour 😆

Class.

"The doctor will be asking me my name and date of birth soon."
"Can you remember either?"
"Yes...Chris Froome..."

Just seen the vid! Holy toot, lucky there wasn't a spectator there too 😯

Some lucky bugger is going to have a pair of glasses as a memento:)

think barguil chap should reconsider his approach to getting into the top 10. Hes done without play bumper bikes. That bang on the post may have been hard but what would have stopped Thomas if he'd not hit it?

Real 4th cat riding from Barguil [url= http://gfycat.com/GraveFlatCoati ] http://gfycat.com/GraveFlatCoati [/url]

He did apologise to G..

Racing innit..

All hard as nails that lot.

#Muchosrespectos

Ouch... Bloody sportive riders.

Rest day tomorrow. I need it!

Racing innit..

I am not so sure, he did the same thing in at least 2 corners, went in too deep and fast barging other riders out of the way and endangering them. IMO he should receive a penalty for that kind of riding.

Yep what he ^ said.

IMO he should receive a penalty for that kind of riding.

I wonder what the chances are of that happening to a French rider?

Hard as [b]f*****g[/b] nails.

ftfy 😉

Blimey - just watched the replay and interview.
My admiration of Geraint just got another boost. Incredible.

ITV4 replay says Barguil was bumped off line by TJVG. Put down yer pitchforks...maybe... He did look a bit sketchy on a few of the other corners! Young boy ain't he!

Thomas = legend. My head had already decided he'd broke his shoulder and was out of the race, to finish 40 secs back (or whatever it was) is mad!! Lolz at the interview too!

Meanwhile, in Foothills Ranch, Irvine, CA, a phone rings......

"Hello, It's [b]SIR[/b] David Brailsford here......Yes, yes, yes, I know you don't make those white Jawbones any more.

But you [b]WILL[/b] make some. Won't you?.......

Jolly good. Carry on."

Also - Jens Voigt wears Geraint Thomas pyjamas.

Liked this from Velonews...

Sagan seemed proud because on the line he pounded his chest like Matthew McConaughey in “The Wolf of Wall Street” and hummed. Asked why he is so aggressive, he said, “Cause I have big balls!”

I so want G to end up on the podium, if anyone deserves it it's him. Glad he's still in, I guess the rest day will help him recover properly.

Totally agree. Hell of a bloke, riding a top race, I like him significantly more than Froome, stunned he only lost 40s after that, thought he'd be straight off to the hospital.

Just seen on catch up, spat tea at the name and d.o.b? Chris Froome!

And also the round up, next time the telegraph pole will know to get out of the way.

Legend.

G.

They make 'em tough in Wales!

Chapeau Sir.

monkeyfudger - Member
ITV4 replay says Barguil was bumped off line by TJVG

I don't buy that, he was entering the corner way too fast for his crap line, should have slammed on the anchors.

Lots of them seemed to take the corner on pretty shit lines IM(armchair)O.

A friend remarked (before today) that the harder it is, the more he enjoys it and thrives. Mind he won the Commonwealth Games road race in absolutely shite weather? 🙂

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That off made me feel rather ???? Live. Watched the live feed of Wouter Weyland go down and this gave me the same reaction.."that's terminal" . TF I was wrong. It looked like a neck contact.

I don't buy that, he was entering the corner way too fast for his crap line, should have slammed on the anchors.
Lots of them seemed to take the corner on pretty shit lines IM(armchair)O.

Could well have been gravel/shitty tarmac forcing 'em to fark it up. They definitely seemed to touch just before the corner but this could have well been him braaaping into the corner too fast and almost taking TJVG out before smashing into G.

[quote=monkeyfudger ]ITV4 replay says Barguil was bumped off line by TJVG. Put down yer pitchforks...maybe...

So he claims. BS. If he'd not been riding like a plonker the contact wouldn't have happened and if it did it wouldn't have affected him in that way. Was already carrying too much speed and on the wrong line.

G is too classy to slag him off in public (how on earth does he manage to come up with that Chris Froome line after that), but I suspect there may be some more private words with Barguil about his riding.

Someone let Geraint know the name of a decent eBay seller for some new (cough) Oakleys will they.

I suspect there may be some more private words with Barguil

Corr blimey you lot, it's racing. Bargil over cooked it, tried to slow down, touched G. It happens, it's racing, it's hard out there you know.
If he did it intentionally then hey fairynuff but it's just a racing incident, won't be the last one either.

Suppose as they crested the top in line, you stop them all and set them off one by one with time gaps and strict instructions not to overtake the guy in front 🙄

It's just racing, it's why we love it

Bikebouy speaks the truth there you know. Yes, it was a bit nasty, yes Bargil overcooked it but that's racing. G was fine, he didn't lose that much time and his fiancée has located him pair of white Jawbones. Happy days.

It's not "just racing". When you're involved in a dangerous sport you have a responsibility to consider the effect your actions will have on others and not be a dick (in the immortal words of CTBM).

Many accidents are near unavoidable, but not that one.

Bargil did over cook the corner & in the process took G off - an accident, it's racing but....I'd say he needs to reign it in a touch. There's racing, then there's (as the saying goes) writing cheques ones ego cannot cash..

I suspect a word may well have been had suggesting him to just take a little more care, for his sake as much as any other.

IMO he should receive a penalty for that kind of riding

Where's Mark Renshaw when you need him?

I suspect a word may well have been had suggesting him to just take a little more care, for his sake as much as any other.

Given he went to find Geraint after the finish to apologise I'd imagine he's aware of what he did. Stuff happens in the heat of the moment at times.

bikebouy +1

people still think rim brakes are fine.... 😐

he's clearly not lost his sense of humour in the crash;

from twitter;

[i]Just seen some guy walking around with my yellow jersey on, holding hands with my pregnant wife.... #whatsgoingon[/i]

was that Barguil chap responsible for the crash that put Cancellara (spelling?) out in the first week? If so he'll be very popular.

Barguil had got the bit between his teeth, he was taking more inside lines than Sam Hill.

Really enjoyable finish to the stage, despite no luck for Gee or poor Sagan.

G is quite definitely nails, was wincing when I saw the crash, looked like he ****ted his head off the telegraph pole, looked to me that his helmet was a bit dented on the left side at the finish. Glad to hear he's ok, can't believe he only lost 40s.

Corr blimey you lot, it's racing. Bargil over cooked it, tried to slow down, touched G.

despite no luck for Gee or poor Sagan.

😀 lovely to see those targeted adverts working perfectly, I'm getting lots for Oakleys now after commenting on this thread!

surely he should be getting a load of credit for the work he's done

Well he's got the green jersey and is virtually guaranteed to keep it.

A lot of us just want to see him get the stage win he's obviously desperate for.

Barguil is aching to get in the top 10, he's already crashed on stage 10, and has a bit of a rep for taking risks on descents.
It may be racing, but others won't like him being around riding like that.

A lot of us just want to see him get the stage win he's obviously desperate for.

It was a strange thing yesterday on that last climb, that the rest of the lead group were still more worried about Sagan than the actual stage winner. They didn't seem to realise that even a slim chance of winning was riding off up the hill while they were making Sagan do all the work.

Not the first time I have seen that, but I just wonder what is going through the other riders minds.

Ahh the rim/disc brake conundrum eh?

Bargil facts first: having been tapped just up the road by TVG, having his hand knocked off the brake lever, ran on the inside as there was a gap (and there was a gap) consequence having over cooked the corner and run wide tapping G into the barriers (unfortunate that a telegraph pole was there, but you could blame the local utilities company and council for that positioning, lets do that too)
Rim or Discs, would have made no difference to that incident. The incident occurred 50mtrs up the road when TVG and Bargil tapped each other way before Bargil tapped G.

Now, if Bargil hadn't have gone right over and apologised, which he did almost instantly as G crossed the line, then yay gertya pitchforks out.. But the fact that in racing incidents people who respect each other, and own up to incidents that they cause, or are part of, always own up and apololgise, always.

If you cast your minds back to 2013 MSR when whatshisname physically nerfed Cav into the barriers in the last 600mtrs and then refuse to apologise, then hey..
We could list, have a long list, of racing incidents where these situations occur. No body seems to get hot under the collar about bunch wheel taps at 50k's (Cancelaras incident, where whojimaflip tapped the guy in front and then brought the whole lot down into the ditch and Cancie got nerfed into another telegraph pole.. leading to a retirement, no apologies there were there? were there??) and for sure Rim or Disc brakes, would have made no difference whatsoeva.

It just restores faith in a lot of the current CG riders that they take responsibility in either their actions or those they are subject to that they take ownership and own up and/or make good or apologise.

Todays a rest day, bet G/TVG/Bargil are all out on their bikes tapping away as I tap away here, good on them.

#respctforracing

Bargil did over cook the corner & in the process took G off - an accident, it's racing but....I'd say he needs to reign it in a touch. There's racing, then there's (as the saying goes) writing cheques ones ego cannot cash..

I think his version of events stacks up.

He bumped into TJVG whilst they were braking and merging into a line for the corner (neithers fault by the look of it), that knocked him inwards at which point he had two choices, either look for a gap and re-join the line or brake and stop before the apex and re-join at the back. As said above, it's racing, you don't win anything by taking the easy option, he went for a 50/50 chance and it didn't work out.

I don;t think anyone has suggested it was deliberate.

But while it was an accident, he was riding like a prick on a really technical descent.

I don't think he'll have been given any pudding last night.

I haven't seen it, but didn't people say he was doing the same thing on following corners? Maybe his brakes were just completely rubbish.

Maybe his brakes were just completely rubbish.

Edit: Top 10 not the break.

One thing is for sure, if it had been Thomas taking out Barguil then he'd be needing his rain cape for tomorrow stage 🙂

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/peter-sagans-mysterious-tour-de-france-chest-thumping-explained-183583

Peter Sagan took inspiration from The Wolf of Wall Street as he finished second – again – on yesterday’s 16th stage of the Tour de France in Gap.

Sagan was seen pounding his chest upon crossing the line after an unsuccessful chase of Lampre-Merida’s Ruben Plaza down the Col de Manse descent.

“I was doing this for energy,” he said, before acting out the memorable scene from the film involving actor Matthew McConaughey. “It’s from The Wolf of Wall Street, you know it?”

Sagan even hummed the rhythm that McConaughey’s character makes in the scene, prompting amusement and bafflement from journalists watching his press conference.

😆

[quote=bikebouy ]The incident occurred 50mtrs up the road when TVG and Bargil tapped each other way before Bargil tapped G.

Yeah, he was being an arse 50m up the road, as I alluded in my last post.

“Some riders were definitely taking some big risks. I was just trying to stay on the wheel that I was on and then a lot of riders were trying to come over the top and take over positions, and they were just taking way too big a risk,” van Garderen said. “That saw Geraint Thomas take a fall because it looked like Warren Barguil took him out. I’m just glad to have made it down safely.

“Warren was trying to come over the top of me. I was just trying to hold my position at the front to stay safe. It was a matter of who braked the latest and he was just willing to take big risks. He took out Geraint Thomas and almost took out himself.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-barguil-apologises-for-role-in-thomas-crash

Racing incident? I imagine it's the sort of thing you'd get penalised for in MotoGP - certainly in F1 racing incidents are where both people involved are pushing it a bit and neither is to blame, but you get penalised for avoidable contact like that.

Racing incident? I imagine it's the sort of thing you'd get penalised for in MotoGP - certainly in F1 racing incidents are where both people involved are pushing it a bit and neither is to blame, but you get penalised for avoidable contact like that.

Yeah in F1 that'd be a drive thru for "causing an avoidable incident".
In bike racing it's called divebombing and it's really not approved. If it works you can sometimes gain a dozen places for very little effort; if it goes wrong, it'll cause carnage.

That line and speed on that descent with that corner coming up was reckless from Barguil, no matter that TJvG did.

I couldn't watch Sagan coming down that last descent at some points, I love descending on the road myself but that was seriously fast....

Of course, he's a mountain biker and therefore...
(phil and paul joke)

Chris had a gearing of 52x39 and 11x28, which allows a lowest gear of 38x28 and allows for the high cadence that he does. He averaged 97rpm. His average heart rate was 158. His max heart rate was 174.

Anyone read CyclingNews? They've just published Skys power data release for stage 10 on Chris..

Erm.. that's me there ^ well change the name. 😆 as for watts, well he has that over me for sure.. 🙁

Cycling Weekly too - an interesting read. 🙂

[url= http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/what-can-we-learn-from-chris-froomes-power-data-183677 ]Chris Froome's power data[/url]

Somewhat disappointingly for some it seems to suggest his performance was good but nothing out of this world.

Froome took 64 seconds out of Quintana on stage 10 to La Pierre Saint Martin and Richie Porte beat him as well. Hardly superhuman stuff.

Also given how much these guys know about their bodies and performance, gauging your efforts at the leader and managing attacks is easier. At some point the challenger needs to gamble, the leader doesn't. Odds are with the leader.

Froome grew up and rode his bike at 5,500 feet above sea level; is it any surprise that he spins an easy gear fast and transfers the load to his heart and lungs? He is not a muscular bloke. Quintana should therefore be the closest to Froome in ability, having also grown up at altitude... and he is.

Nibbles and Bertie meanwhile are not looking good because this year fear of the night-time tests has prevented them from doping.

Bertie giro double...

Look at Porte best rider in the first 3 months of the season but the giro took it out of him. Grand tour doubles are not easily doable.

They've just published Skys power data release for stage 10 on Chris

Not the sort of thing you'd expect a doper's team to do...?

Nibbles and Bertie meanwhile are not looking good because this year fear of the night-time tests has prevented them from doping.

I don't buy that, Nibbles last year won a lot of time in the 1st week by racing smart, then he had no real competition for 2nd & 3rd weeks. Then as noted above Contrador has already won the Giro and yet is only around 1 minute 30 from 2nd place in the Tour.

Porte isn't a good indicator of anything, he seems awesome for up to a week, then disintegrates.

Not the sort of thing you'd expect a doper's team to do...?

No one is going to be able to look at one stage's worth of data in isolation though and say whether it is indicative of doping. It's far more complicated. At least it looks reasonable compared to some of the data from the big EPO abusers.

Guess they had to do something though. And as it looks like they have the beating of the field at the moment it's not going to cost them any competitive edge.

Look at Porte best rider in the first 3 months of the season but the giro took it out of him. Grand tour doubles are not easily doable.

Yes, don't think Porte's GT performances are indicative of anything this year either. Sick at the Giro and not riding for GC at the Tour.