[Closed] Is their better value than this? 140/150mm rigs........

Generally speaking, no - YT put out some, quite frankly, unbelievable bikes for the cash.

Orange 5.

As per my thread further down the page, it's great value until or goes wrong. I've lost nearly 3 months of riding out of the 10 I've owned my canyon due to frame and rebuild issues. The direct sales model is great until it goes wrong.

Enjoy waiting for half a year for your bike to actually turn up, then if it breaks, enjoy waiting for a month for them to email or call you back and then enjoy waiting for another 6 months for a warranty replacement.

Orange 5.

...not sure if serious

Oh yeah and DT Swiss forks (and shocks to an extent) are big time SHITE. For the same price you could buy a discounted Nukeproof Mega Comp (which comes with a nice reliable Lyrik fork that you could upgrade to MC DH later) or a Saracen (very good specs), or a Kona. You'd get all of these a few days after you ordered them and if there was a problem with the bike it would be sorted in days not months.

bwaarp - Member

Enjoy waiting for half a year for your bike to actually turn up,

Still not true, unless you choose to order one that's out of stock.

Agreed on the DT forks, though, horrible choice. The much cheaper standard Wicked gets you Revelations but they keep sticking DT on the higher models, weirdos.

yeah see the points made with Direct Sales and also the points on the DT shocks, still great value mind...

I also like this A LOT

[url= http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=2565 ]Canyon Nerve AM 8.0[/url]

Comes in at €2299 (£1830ish) - Fox Shocks, Reverb, mostly X0 drive

Others I am considering are:

- Cube Stereo (Carbon) - [url= http://www.leisurelakesbikes.com/product/cubestereosuperhpcprofullsuspensionmountainbike2012-sale.aspx?&id=17913 ]here for £1899[/url]
- Lapierre Zesty 514 (Carbon) - [url= http://www.ubyk.co.uk/lapierre-zesty-514-suspension-bike/7880 ]here for £2318[/url]

Go for the carbon Zesty at that price.

Lapierre bikes are ludicrously overpriced for what they are; new or secondhand. That 2.4k zesty has SLX, cheap as **** wheels and the lowest level revelation fork and fox rp2. AND it's £500 more than the YT.

OP, if you're interested in a YT, look at the [url= http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/index.php?page=product&info=214&x11e5b=mdgsjul7ti05pt45386djtenlsbioffc ]Wicked 160 LTD[/url]. BOS shocks front and rear, crossmax sx, x0 all round. Pretty much the best off-the-peg enduro racing bike around.

If you don't want a 160 bike, the 150 non ltd is excellent value. I doubt bwaarp has anything but secondhand anecdote about YT.

The canyons are great value, if you like how they look. The YT / Stereo / Zesty / Canyon will all have similar suspension feels as they are all fsr (though tuning and leverage ratios will differ, I doubt they will differ a LOT as they are all trying to get to the same aim), the main things to look for are what it looks like, the spec kit and the geo.

Shit, you could probably buy the 1950 160 LTD and sell the BOS Kit and the X0 brakes and only be £800 out of pocket. Then add whatever suspension you like.

As above, if risking the direct sales model, then go all in and get the 160 ltd.

However double risk there as Bos have just irritated another UK distributor out of the game...

Go for the carbon Zesty at that price.

I'll second that! I've got a Canyon and their customer service has for me been awful whereas in fairness for others it's been ok.

The carbon Zesty frame is a beautiful bit of kit though and you can always upgrade the components as and when you like.

you can always upgrade the components as and when you like.

Spending £2400 on a bike and PLANNING to upgrade the components?

I spent £1000 and the only thing I could upgrade is brakes and the frame itself. If I spent 2400 I would expect carbon, xtr and top end suspension (and get it).

"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig", comes to mind.

Frame (geo and suspension design)>suspension (tuned correct doesn't have to have bells and whistles)>bars/stem>wheels dictate how a bike rides.

More on the suspension stuff, a basic unit correctly tuned is going to perform significantly better than a bells and whistle unit with all the knobs to ruin the feel with a "suit everyone" tune. You wouldn't believe the amount of people too who come into the shop with 3k+ bikes but don't own a shock pump, bad suspension set-up and aren't bothered cos the bike has xtr.

A groupset/carbon/components relatively make sod all difference to how the bike rides.

Give me a top end frame with mid range correctly tuned suspension, my preferred bars/stem, mid range wheels with a slx/x7 build anyday, anytime than "value for money".

Tyres make or break a bike too, up there with the frame.

I'd buy best frame i could with the cheapest build, ride it, feedback ride experience to get suspension custom tuned, then replace everything else that doesn't matter and it breaks or wears out.

The std YT 150 looks a hell of a bargain at £1500. Monarch and Rev suspension, X9 components.
Dom, you shouldnt be too fussed about warranty+customer service as you'll no doubt sell it a couple of months anyway! lol!

I'd stil get one of those 2011 £10o0 Saracen Aerials that are kicking about and spend the remainder to go somewhere good to ride it.

Continuity: Parts aren't cheap, for us, nor manufacturers.

Sure, you can build a XTR bike for £2k, but as deanfbm rightly says, You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"

There's a reason why the Zesty is priced higher than Canyons and Cubes etc, and that's because they're bloody good, and very well thought out.

I'm 100% with deanfbm: My (nicked) Zesty 314 was a real peach of a bike, fancy components or no.

deanfbm - Member

"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig", comes to mind.

The Dues and Wicked I rode were pretty damn good, no pigness to be found. Funny how people assume there must be a catch (or that more expensive frames must be better)

If they sold the bloody Zesty as frame only i'd buy one!

Still keeping my eyes open for some bargains

It's clear that they have a just in time ordering process and then also have a once a year frame clearout with a "limited edition" bike that they knock out even cheaper to clear the decks for the next season bikes. I've had emails back from YT in a day and they even told me I was welcome to go to their warehouse/factory to sit on a few to get the right sizing (I'm a few hours drive away) if I wanted to buy.

I agree with Dean, getting the right frame is worth far more than getting the "best value" in components.

Now the YTs do seem to get very good reviews and the geometry looks spot on, so I'm sure they ride great - BUT when I looked at the components on the Wicked 160 and the all-up weight it was clear that the frame was by no means light.

I love how you're assuming that the Lappierre is a better design than the YT when they use an identical suspension system and pretty damned similar geometries, even to the extent that it'd be hard to tell them apart from a distance.

And that the top end components are going to be awful; why exactly? Because BOS can't supply the correct tune for an FSR frame with a given leverage ratio? That's all you need to tune it. The rest is up to the rider (rebound, pressure).

The straw man is strong with you.

Oh and

There's a reason why the Zesty is priced higher than Canyons and Cubes etc, and that's because they're bloody good, and very well thought out..

My Zesty 314

WELL I'M CONVINCED.

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It's sunny out you know.

Oh dear.

We've a special one here.

The Lapierre Zesty range (if you ignore the material) is identical across the range.

If I was not in a position to be able to upgrade to the components that I desire, I would quite happily ride the bike as standard.

Indeed, I do; as those components off the Zesty I originally bought are gracing themselves quite happily on a hack bike.

Before making yourself look like a complete spanner, I'd rein your neck in. I would not buy a top of the range bike if I knew I was about to replace all the SRAM kit with Shimano (personal choice). Therefore, knowing that I wanted just the frame I went for the least cost choice into the frame.

To replace my stolen Zesty, I shall be getting another, however I'll be getting the cheaper of the carbon range, mainly for the very reasons above. And that kit'll go on my hack bike as I upgrade it.

It's not rocketscience.

Hmmmmokay tinkerbell?

These YT frames could be awesome for all i know, let that be the deciding factor, not what rear mech you're getting.

It's an emerging business model that has it's place which is great, right up until the point it goes wrong.

And sadly it does seem to go wrong a bit too often for me to be interested. Someone I ride with ordered one - it was nearly 3 months late, and then arrived in the wrong size. Then he had to wait for a month for the replacement.

Plenty of other people from what has been written elsewhere with wrong bikes, mis-speced bikes, late bikes etc. Usual bike industry stuff, which although annoying, is even more of a ballache when they are in another country to try and resolve.

+100 deanfbm

The only person I've seen complaining of a long wait for YT, had ordered one that was out of stock and had a 3 month wait, which he was told of up front. It was slightly delayed due to a supplier issue, so arrived around 2 weeks after the expected date (with a free upgrade on the part that their suppliers let them down on) but he's taken every opportunity since to lambast them for the "4 month delay".