I don’t know what the English Mountain Rescue teams are saying
if, say, the mrt are out on long runs and 7 hour bike rides, fine for us maybe?
OK; you've failed at Rule 1.
I'm out.
Given the piss take that happened in Germany with relaxed conditions have seen an increase in infection rate I await the same thing to happen in England.
I've not been out in 10 months for a proper ride and I was all set to go for one when the lock down happened. I've got no issue not going anywhere but local for a bike ride.
Hmm BBC now contradict themselves. You would have thought the government would be giving them scripts to put out but obviously not
You'll be able, from Wednesday too, to take unlimited exercise; to meet one person from outside your own household as long as you stay two metres apart; you can go and sit in your local park, to sunbathe, or to take part in sport with others from your household.
Two people from different households would be allowed to meet in a park if they stay more than two metres apart, the BBC understands, while it is also thought sports like golf, tennis, fishing and watersports will be allowed for people in the same household.
The BBC is stating the following. Not sure if they are aware of more detail to be released today. Hence more confusion!
to meet one person from outside your own household as long as you stay two metres apart
I have got 3 partly fun routes straight from my house but it really can get boring riding them solo every day
That is absolutely dreadful and it has been for 2 whole months. I don't know how you are coping.
grannyjone - riding with your mates is not allowed. You've failed Rule 1 already.
I've got four variations of the same route I can do and I'm fed up of them. Still, there's no way I'd even consider loading up the car and going somewhere else. Even though I'm bored of seeing the same trails most days it's vastly preferable to not riding at all. If we all acted like you are we would quickly be in the situation if having all outside exercise stopped and hospitals under severe strain. We need to get to the position that when we do go out again we don't clause a spike in infections that the NHS can't cope with. If you can't see that then please don't post here about your driving to ride.
I think the key bits you missed grannyjone were the avoiding unnecessary travel and avoiding things that would put additional pressure on the NHS (no gnar). How much of that was a legal requirement has been argued to death but it was certainly what was recommended.
A big limiting factor for my riding has been the need to take my 4 yo for some exercise. If I go on a ride with him, I couldn’t then later go on a ride myself. So removing the 1-trip limit is extremely welcome here.
Some of the behaviour described in this thread is unbelievable, topped only by the magnitude of the lack of self awareness.
The BBC is stating the following. Not sure if they are aware of more detail to be released today. Hence more confusion!
What we now have is government by leak. One of the most important announcements of the last few decades and it's come out to the nation as Chinese whispers over the course of a week or more. I'd say shambles but that's probably not right, they've planned it that way.
It's a misleading mess.
I may start mtbing again but I'll not be driving anywhere.
I bet the people of Cumbria and the peaks are monumentally pissed off with this change.
So you still cant see family but you can drive to a rural town and go biking....
avoiding unnecessary travel
But Boris says go and drive. Not just for exercise but to go sit in a park, sunbathe etc. Hardly necessary travel.
riding with your mates is not allowed
But it's not so simple a rule now. Meeting up with people is a maybe but the likes of the BBC are interpreting it that way. Sports only with people of same household though.
Question is, do you consider riding bikes a sport? I don't myself, unless I was into racing. It's an outdoor activity. Personally off road riding for me is only partly about shredding trails. I can and generally have put that on hold. The rest is xc pootling, not much different to going for a walk, just quicker. Are people still banned from meeting to go for a socially distant walk?
It's all just more confused but headlines most will take from it is go drive and hit the trails. Peaslake will be rammed this week, whether they like it or not.
This is going the same way of the other threads 🙁
Because you are 'bored' you are willing to take actions that could increase the spread of infection and lead to somebody dying, or have to call upon an emergency team to help you if you hurt yourself, that could also lead to somebody dying.
Really??
The two things that will dictate the spread of the infection are :-
How dense the population is
and
How dense the population is
Lets all wait for the official words for HMG.
That 60 mile round trip was a one-off
Most drives have only been 20-25 miles each way
Sound pretty similar to me!
If you’re gonna do it then crack on but not sure what your trying to achieve talking about it on a forum where the majority of people seem to have the opposite opinion.
For me, I’m quite enjoying road biking at the moment so I’m gonna keep up with that and the occasional xc ride from my door.
This is going the same way of the other threads 🙁
A purity spiral?
Do you think anyone in the government has ever played basketball?
BBC have just said as a headline on breakfast TV that sport with members of your household only but on the same programme 20 minutes ago Raab said OK to meet up with one other from outside your household outdoors and used tennis as an example of something that might be OK.
EDIT. They've replayed it just now, and for absolute clarity (!) he used the words "meet other people". What are the muppets going to hear there?
So, meeting someone for a ride might be OK but also might not. Until the fabled 50 page document provides some clarity at 2 today (like it actually will...) rule 1 applies.
Lets all wait for the official words for HMG.
Don't hold your breath.
Rule 1 applies
When advice is so unclear, with minister's all offering different interpretations through the news channels, and it's left to the great public to make their minds up I do think those shouting down someone elses's interpretation because it doesn't match theirs and then retreating to 'Rule 1 applies' as their rationale also maybe need to apply a bit of rule 1 to themselves.
I have not been more than 10 miles from my city centre flat since this all started. Yes it can be boring doing the same bits but its surprising what you can find if you go looking. An hour has never been enough for me tho.
the magnitude of the lack of self awareness.
One of the great insights I've taken from this crisis, sadly.
When advice is so unclear, with minister’s all offering different interpretations through the news channels, and it’s left to the great public to make their minds up I do think those shouting down someone elses’s interpretation because it doesn’t match theirs and then retreating to ‘Rule 1 applies’ as their rationale also maybe need to apply a bit of rule 1 to themselves.
Totally agree.
The rules are vague and the message is mixed. Focus any anger on the government who are doing a poor job of dealing with the crisis.
To stop me from going insane with boredom ?
I have got 3 partly fun routes straight from my house but it really can get boring riding them solo every day, felty particularly rubbish today as the weathers taken a turn for the worse. A bit like a crap version of what I did last week!
Need to drive somewhere for the variety.Since lockdown I have used my car for a minority of rides. I have ridden Gnar (Drop offs, jumps, steeps and techy descents). I have ridden as far as 58K in a single ride.
Is it really this difficult for someone to use thier common sense?
First of all, by driving about you are potentially carrying a fatal disease with your wherever you go, please think of other people who may die from the disease you spread. Furthermore, the rule was “zero unnecessary travel”. This is unnecessary travel. Travel did not become necessary to relieve boredom.
Secondly, if you stack that bike, your are distracting a stretched NHS from treating COVID19 patients by treating you, for an accident that could have been avoided and therefore leaving said patients with better and more care. Please think of them.
Lastly, even today you must maintain 2m social distancing, which with a quick google needs to be extended if you are near and exercising colleague who is puffing and panting potential virus particles around them.
Have a think about your duty and empathy to others, please exercise alone gently on your door to door roots. I’m sorry it’s boring for you, but other people have lost families and/or are dying so it’d pay to have some perspective of that.
I see no problem with driving to ride as long as a) its not to a popular place and b) its not a superctechy place where chance of injury is higher.
Rule 1 being don't talk about fight club right? 🙂
An hour has never been enough for me tho.
There's never been an hour limit. Only suggestions of it from the likes of Gove in interviews.
Raab said OK to meet up with one other from outside your household outdoors
And he just said on R4 to meet up with someone from your own household. Then challenged said you could meet with both parents. 🤷♂️
Is it really this difficult for someone to use thier common sense?
But your common sense is different to mine and his, and hers, and someone else's.....
eg: you say "First of all, by driving about you are potentially carrying a fatal disease with your wherever you go"
I say - (indeed, did six weeks ago and got burned by the Rule 1 applies' merchants then) - that if I walk from my home then to get to somewhere where the dog can have a bit of a run I have to walk about a mile through alleyways and then down a long narrow footpath where if someone's coming the other way then it's impossible to maintain a distance without getting into a game of human pacman where you have to turn and go back 200 yards. And everyone on the estate I live on is all doing the same. Contact potential - huge.
Or, I can hop in the car (on my drive), drive a short distance (under 10 mins) and have a vast open space where if you see someone it's from about 50 yards away as a minimum.
Common sense to me says that the second carries far lower risk of catching or passing on. But apparently I'm being a dick if I do that?
so here in Scotland we can now exercise more than once a day, but there does seem to be new guidance limiting longer rides for example. This is what the First Minister said yesterday in her briefing :
'Exercise should be done close to home, alone or with members of their household, and people should maintain a two metre (6ft) distance from others'
The rules are vague and the message is mixed. Focus any anger on the government who are doing a poor job of dealing with the crisis.
The vagueness etc is entirely deliberate so that if things all go tits up they can blame the populace for not following the rules. They are making a shocking job of handling this crisis but this shambolic looking drip feed of vague rules and mixed messages has been very carefully planned to let them gauge public feeling about potential changes and shirk responsibility.
In the Black Mirror version of all this - Cummings still writing the official guidance in response to social media reaction.
I see no problem with driving to ride as long as a) its not to a popular place and b) its not a superctechy place where chance of injury is higher.
A bike has wheels there is no reason to drive anywhere to ride it. If you insist on driving then, what i have been doing re walking is going no more than 5 or so miles so i am outside the urban area and away from people. This is about having some excercise and not about carrying on as before.
I know this is from The Torygraph, but the same has been said by a number of people including ministers in interviews. Basically with all the evidence at hand now, the belief is the outdoor risk is much lower, so long as social distancing is observed and people wash their hands etc if touching stuff.
Viral load required and the nature of its spread via droplets and surfaces rather than being a true airborne virus, makes it harder to spread outdoors. Not impossible, but a drive to the countryside itself isn't going to be much of a risk at all unless you stopped in a shop, started shaking people's hands, hugging people you meet. There is of course a risk if someone coughs or sneezes near you. Hence keep 2m apart. But just being in the countryside and no one near you for a mile (most my rides have been like this) isn't an issue.
Personally I believe the vast majority of cases have spread through offices, homes, care homes and even schools. The common cold typically spreads via kids picking up at school, interacting with families, who then go inti offices and work environments, spread there and they go home, spread it about, their kids spread it at school etc.
Though the virus seems to have little to no symptoms with kids, I'm betting when schools go back there's a sharp rise in cases amongst adults.
I think boris and all are doing well.
I think boris and all are doing well.
I'm sure they are, not so sure about the rest of us.
I believe the previous advice about driving to exercise being tolerated was conceived with regard to local trips to get out of built-up areas - which was supported by a local copper I spoke to at Rivington who said he had been instructed to only turn back people who had traveled from somewhere like Liverpool (no jokes please).
That is 31 miles from where I met him, so 30 miles would also have been considered excessive in that context.
But it looks like that's changing from Weds anyway. And I suspect the start has been delayed by two days to give organisations time to re-open car parks and make plans where suitable.
In the Black Mirror version of all this – Cummings still writing the official guidance in response to social media reaction.
I think this is pretty much what's happening.
One of my friends summarised it thus:
“"Stay alert will mean stay alert, by staying home as much as possible" said Communities Secretary, Robert Jenrick. So does 'Stay Alert' mean stay at home or not? Confused? Well, you’re supposed to be.
Stay alert will mean stay at home should that turn out to be the correct advice. However, should it transpire that lifting the lockdown is the appropriate action, then it will mean don't stay at home. The government are going to retrospectively decide what it actually means only once it becomes clear what it should've meant.
In this way it's the advice equivalent of Schrodinger's Cat. Until the eventual outcome can be observed, it remains simultaneously to stay at home and not to stay at home. The government is effectively passing responsibility for Coronavirus strategy onto you. If it works out okay, then they were right all along. If it goes awry then it's because you didn't follow the advice correctly. Standby for gaslighting on a national level.”
And BJ’s advice continues that deliberately unclear theme. If they never say it in black and white, they can never be properly held to account when they fail to protect the public. It’s about winning elections, furthering their careers and protecting their donors bank balances. It’s not about saving lives or even protecting jobs (unless job losses affect the wealthy’s income streams).
"Stay at Home" is no longer valid if you are allowing people to exercise outdoors more freely and encouraging a safe return to work for those who can't work from home. There is still a requirement to be aware of your distance from others, to stay on top of your personal hygiene and not to do go out if you feel you may have symptoms. How would you encapsulate that in a simple, easy to remember way that can be shared with the public?
How would you encapsulate that in a simple, easy to remember way that can be shared with the public?
Tricky. Is a yellow poster with green edging the answer?
“Stay at Home” is no longer valid if you are allowing people to exercise outdoors more freely and encouraging a safe return to work for those who can’t work from home.
Id say it was. Stay At Home was valid with 5 exceptions, 2 of which were (paraphrasing)
- Going to work if you cant work from home and its safe to do so
- Excercising once a day
Now its
- Going to work if you cant work from home and its safe to do so
- Excercising more than once a day
Basically the difference before and after can be summarised as a slight relaxing of 1 of the 5 exceptions to stay at home. Hardly justifies a change in the description does it?
As far as I am concerned we can go and ride in England where we like as long as it its either solo or with members of your own household. So no club/group/friends yet. And dont expect anything to be open so make sure you are self sufficient for the day.
The bit Im struggling with is that you can goto work, use the Tube ( i know he said avoid public transport but they wont) but you cant visit your parents
I don't think you'll be particularly welcome in Cumbria.
https://twitter.com/SouthLakesPol/status/1259607891025281025
I'm going to take Thursday off work and go for a massive bike ride...
As I understand it, I'll need to take my own sandwiches.
but you cant visit your parents
You can meet them in a park. Just one of them, oh but maybe both at different times, no wait, both at the same time. Raab this morning on various interviews.
I don’t think you’ll be particularly welcome in Cumbria.
I've noticed a general tone of fear and hostility coming from that part of the world, and the National Park clearly doesn't want people back until money can be made from them.
But surely it's the rest of us that should be scared of getting Covid off them?
Basically the difference before and after can be summarised as a slight relaxing of 1 of the 5 exceptions to stay at home. Hardly justifies a change in the description does it?
I think one of the problems is with the public’s interpretation of the lockdown. It was never ‘stay at home at all costs’, but a lot of people decided not to go to work. You can argue about the merits of a complete ban on workplaces, but that’s a different thread. The intention all along was that people should still be working. If they could do so from home, then they should. But i believe it was never supposed to be what it has become.
So the change of message is perhaps to highlight the fact that BoJo wants us all back at the hive being productive worker bees. They’re advertising it as a change but it’s not supposed to be a huge change. Just a correction statement, bringing us to where he wanted us to be all along.
I think Stay Alert is a reasonable slogan though. Be conscious of the virus in everything you do. Avoid unnecessary interactions with others, Face masks, hand washing, social distancing ++. We can reduce transmission dramatically compared with what life was like pre-lockdown, while still returning to a sense of normality. Hopefully the R stays close to 1. We’ll see I suppose.
