Forum menu
I would suggest that they don't now their own history
but the truth is always more complicated than a easy political point
an interesting observation is that aguably Labour were in power for all of these (in modern times)
Actually, I'd suggest that YOU read up on some of these incidents from different sources. PIRA weren't choirboys you know (well they probably were once!).
sorry are you denying these things happened? Bloody Sunday - for which Cameron recently apologised for on ebhalf of the nation never occured?
I never defended either side I merly explained their position.
Yes the PIRA werenot choirboys and I offer no attempt to defend them. Perhaps you could give sources for history?
but the truth is always more complicated than a easy political pointan interesting observation is that aguably Labour were in power for all of these (in modern times)
That would have carried some weight if only you had not gone on to make an easy, and weak, political point yourself. Fairly clearly the Irish issue started long before the Labour party [or Tory]even happened and [arguably] the labour Party brokered the current working peace deal.
Kings conquered and then plantated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland
The plantations changed the demography of Ireland by creating large communities with a British and Protestant identity. These communities effectively opposed the interests of the earlier inhabitants, who had an Irish and Roman Catholic identity.[1] The physical and economic nature of Irish society was also changed, as new concepts of ownership, trade and credit were introduced. These changes led to the creation of a British Protestant ruling class, which secured the authority of Crown government in Ireland during the 17th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_tans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281972%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_home_rule
links to the home rule act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
sorry I went and had a brew mid typing and accidently posted unfinished
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Norman_and_English_invasions
The pro-independence party, Sinn Féin, received overwhelming endorsement in the General Election of 1918 [73 of 105 seats] and in 1919 declared its own parliament and government, the Irish Republic. British authorities attempted to extinguish this challenge, sparking a guerilla war from 1919 to July 1921, ending in a truce.[4
which gave us via the anglo-irish treaty the partition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
In case there is some doubt that ,whatever their motivation, they did some bad things.
I am not defnding them but we cannot pretend we - the UK government and arm- play no part in the current issues which are now largely reduced to people displaying distatesful banners. This is a vast improvement on people blowing each other up and many innocent people dying.
Understanding someone's point of view and supporting it are not the same thing. Those with entrenched and strong views on either side are the real problem. Tolerance and understanding from both sides it what will breed peace. As this debate shows this is lacking from people on both sides of the divide 😥
Sorry for the length well done for reading.
and there was i thinking they're just angry because they support a rubbish team........
I thought poppies were to remember and respect ALL British (and commonwealth?) soldiers who died in battle, back at least as far as WW1?
I find this mildly ironic...Just how did the British end up with a commonwealth?
From a former colony myself. I have every sympathy for individuals who gave their lives in wars, but on all sides. To some of us foreigners, your idea of liberation during the wars was merely the transition between imperial oppressors.
Read the banner. It says 'Ireland Iraq Afghanistan'. Those are the 'shameful deeds' these people are protesting about.Calling people 'retarded scum' without fully understanding their point of view is a little shortsighted, don't you think?
Oh, I understand. I also stand by my view.
It's the typical ignorance of people who's attention spans can just about hold to 90 minutes of sports viewing in one sitting. Especially the IRA sympathising bigots that frequent Celtic Park.
Just watch the overpaid, overrated numpties kicking their pigskin about and try not to pretend you have an understanding of these things...
It's the typical ignorance of people who's attention spans can just about hold to 90 minutes of sports viewing in one sitting. Especially the IRA sympathising bigots that frequent Celtic Park.Just watch the overpaid, overrated numpties kicking their pigskin about and try not to pretend you have an understanding of these things...
Lovely. That's simply beautiful, that! 😆
Have you ever considered a career in comedy?
Poddy; those 'retarded scum' are exercising their right to protest. Have you considered that your point of view is undemocratic?
Isn't it nice that we all have a right to protest and express our views, regardless of taste or validity without fear of being 'disappeared' by a fascist state. Regardless of the conflicts listed on these banners, their text and timing speak volumes. Poppies are associated with French poppy fields of the great war and the Armistice on 11 November. Ironically, those who now choose to denigrate millions who gave their lives in two world wars can only do so because of that very sacrifice for our freedom of thought and speech. And they say Yanks don't do irony....