More like 1000bhp/tonne surely? An R1 is ~200bhp and ~200kg, no?
How embarrassing. Of course you are right. Getting my 1000kg in a tonne/2240lbs in a ton mixed up. Clearly getting senile.
<p style="text-align: left;">Couple of young lads with mandatory balaclavas zooming around the kids playground at our local park tonight. It's effing ridiculous that the police aren't all over this. It's 500m from their station yet I've never seen one in the park.</p>
Report them every time you see them.
Spoke to my own local constabulary regarding the matter a few weeks back and working out the patterns of when and where these scrotes are out and about is very helpful for them.
Plus the more reports they get the more likely they are to dedicate scarce resources to it.
The Government are going to buying them, not banning them:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/army-soldiers-trial-battery-powered-mountain-bikes/
The Government are going to buying them, not banning them:
The military do buy lots of banned things though.
The Government are going to buying them, not banning them:
What tyres for armed combat?
Should have Aggressors instead of the DHF in the pic.
@squirrelking, sorry for the slow reply. No, my budget didn't stretch even to the Silence range.
It's a Lexmoto (well, they're the importer, Lveng are the manfacturer) LX06 ( https://www.lexmoto.com/models/LX06MAX-E5). Bought for £3k last year as it was the best value option, price has been bouncing around either side of that since so I suspect they haven't sold many.
Overall very happy with it taking the rough (that in the lower half of the battery the top speed tops out at nearer 40mph) with the smooth (that the range isn't effected in winter as much as an EV, maybe 5%). To be fair I don't go far nowadays - 5 miles to golf, 10 miles to tennis, 15 miles to work. The biggest negative is I don't readily consider riding to golf/tennis now as it's so quick/easy/fun on the moped
Good to know, even if it's not the same it's still useful info. Half considering something that can get me over the hill in winter to another station but also conscious that they're rather easily stolen. A silence S01+ would theoretically work on motorway at 60 all the way to the office but that's another level of risk.
Gah...
You know this lot are totally different - MX bike riders, vs sur-rons, you know which ones are 'shady'.
I was out last month on the road bike down some really small back roads in North Wales (pushing it a bit for 25c) and I could hear a load of MX bikes coming up the hill. I stopped and waited, and all waved thanks. About 10 miles later, I'm returning from my loop and we cross paths again, waves exchanged !
@binners & @RustyNissanPrairie There's a SurRon riding scrote from Accrington way, he has a Instagram page & posts videos, usually of a big group of them at night, riding on road in Accy & off road around Hameldon Hill area, plus a couple of weeks ago up Darwen Moors.
Possibly that lot that you encountered?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66335974
And, with grim inevitability....
Looks like a 7 year old has been killed by 14 year old boy riding a motorbike around illegally.
Poor wee thing, thoughts go out to her family.
"We have still to recover the motorbike involved and I know someone out there in the local community knows where the bike is."
The force said it was looking for a blue and black road bike after the collision on Turnstone Road, in the Bloxwich area, but was yet to determine the exact make and model.
Awful, but, as regards this thread, is there any suggestion it wasn't a petrol fueled motorbike?
3 ninja scroats on Surrons in Ramsbottom Nuttal Park last night. Reported via Crimestoppers.
I think this thread had moved beyond just Sur Ron's and onto 'illegal dirt bikes being used by scrotes' as many of the issues overlap, same laws being broken etc.
Regardless of how the bike was powered, the tragedy is the same.
The seasonal Petrol powered Scrotes are now back out our way now as well as the Sur-Rons, ****ting down all the local paths.
I wouldn't mind if our local police took that Birmingham incident as a timely prompt to crack down on them whatever the fuel source they're bloody dangerous.
Very tragic, and somewhat telling that the bike involved has magically vanished...
"I would urge anyone with any information, however large or small, to make contact with us," said the officer.
"This is not about protecting people, this is about doing the right thing," he added, urging the local community to "come together" and work with him.
Any Community that still needs prompting to "do the right thing" a day after the event clearly has some issues.
You know this lot are totally different – MX bike riders, vs sur-rons, you know which ones are ‘shady’.
I do wonder if the MX bikers are getting lower insurance now as in the past the shady ones would have been on nicked mx bikes.
You know this lot are totally different – MX bike riders, vs sur-rons, you know which ones are ‘shady’.
The biggest give away on either type of motorbike is the lack of crash helmets and number plates, if they've got both they're most likely absolutely fine, or at least smart enough to not want to draw unwanted attention to themselves.
Was at a coaching training day last weekend, two young (13ish at a guess) kids went past us on a single Sur-On, one with tinted goggles, the other in a balaclava (both dressed in black), headed straight towards our parked cars and an open shipping container (used for storage and on this day, hiding from the rain between riding). One memebr of the group followed them and asked if he could help them (as they were riding between our parked cars), one replied with "Just looking to see what you have" before the other one chimmed in with "Cheers" before riding off.
Charming.
An interesting read (from 2018)
But while society has seen fit to fund a bit of "Roadman research" so we can really understand their apparently complex motivations and desires. The little ****ers are still out there doing whatever the **** they like...
I feel like the time for tolerance and understanding of this particular subset of disenfranchised youth is long past.
The biggest give away on either type of motorbike is the lack of crash helmets and number plates,
Yup, this is the key distinction and what marks out mostly law abiding riders.
I've seen almost zero antisocial riding from any E or petrol MX bike with legal plates.
Few of them around Cheltenham too - saw a couple of lads 2 up on an electric crosser in the middle of the pedestrian bit of town a few days ago - same M.O. as above, all in black with balaclavas and glasses. Have seen similar up Leckhampton though fortunately not on the trails.
I wonder if the electric silence has enabled this? They’re quite, stealthy and being largely unlicensed, easy to nick and virtually untraceable. There’s no way your average balaclava wearing rider could get near owning one legitimately. You’d almost say aren’t on the spot arrests on the cards but no doubt there’d be civil liberties repercussions and that’s if there were even the resources available.
Electric bikes being quiet is certainly part of it, part of it is probably also that the barrier to entry in terms of both maintenance (2 strokes need oil and at least some tlc to prevent them eating themselves) and skill required to not get spat off of it are far lower with electric bikes.
And you have to be 16 to legally buy petrol. They actually mystery shop petrol stations in Hampshire tp try to stop selling fuel to 14 year olds.
Its a shame that neds have jumped on EMX bikes as their latest way to be anti social ad they actually represent a fantastic transport solution.
Tied into a pv cell and charger they are quiet, take up little room on the road, fast enough to keep up with traffic flow, light so less road wear, burm zero funny el while stopped at rail crossing barriers, need no engine oil or 2 stroke, and if solar charged incredibly cheap commutes are possible
You’d almost say aren’t on the spot arrests on the cards but no doubt there’d be civil liberties repercussions and that’s if there were even the resources available.
and with no identifying plates, as soon as they see police they're off with no regard for other traffic, pedestrians, one-way streets and no through road barriers leading to the Cardiff type situations.
I can't see a solution beyond controlling the source and look how well that works for other contraband industries.
Definitely been more regular sightings of the Police MXers around the area where the helmetless hoodlums tend to play, not sure how successful they are
matt_outandabout
^ once again, police using incorrect terms and thereby causing possible issues with law abiding eBike riders.
They are electric motorbikes and need to be referred to as such.
Seeing this so often in the press and it rubs off in local social media groups with plenty calling for "e-bikes" to be banned. Trying to explain the difference between an electric motorbike and a pedal assist E-bike is a struggle. They just see them as all the same thing. Now they see an pedal E-bike in the trails, bridleways and such and they shout they're illegal, which obviously they're not.
Just seen a scrote, all in black, no helmet, balaclava (it seems its now a uniform), on a Sur-ron (no number plate, obvs) on the back wheel, at speed, all the way down the busy main street, while theres a street market on and pedestrians everywhere.
They really don't give a flying ****. And why would they when theres zero chance of them getting caught
I have been lectured to twice about the damage done by "you people on motorbikes" whilst on a bike without any form of motor - once I was on the Galaxy. The other also objected to the big tyres on a fat bike as they cut up the path even more.
They walk amongst us.
I do have some empathy for the guys who make a living riding them, but they are a nightmare to share cycling infrastructure with.
I reckon GMP could get 20 in 5minutes on Oxford Road in Manchester. They have the occasional clamp down, but I don't think they've confiscated any yet, just handed out fines.
I reckon GMP could get 20 in 5minutes on Oxford Road in Manchester. They have the occasional clamp down, but I don’t think they’ve confiscated any yet, just handed out fines.
Imagine the backlash from everyone who had their Deliveroo order held up.
How do you solve the Sur-On problem?
Have we had 'kneecapping' as a suggestion yet?
Extreme, but effective. All those in favour say 'aye'.
Interestingly I saw a paid advert from a police force yesterday on FB (can’t remember which one!) outlining the difference between legal and illegal e-bikes, reminding people they need plates/insurance etc for the latter and promising to seize vehicles from those they found breaking the law.
Maybe we should symbolically burn a Sur-On in Cardiff City Centre.
Not Cardiff but
Is this a legit Ebike or a home made jobby?
Stealth Bomber
Like a cheap Sur-ron, big frame mounted battery and a huge rear hub motor.
^ with a symbolic crank and chain for the "look officer it's a pedal bike" get out of jail free card.
Is this a legit Ebike or a home made jobby?
If Mad Max was doing Deliveroo on the side.
And here is the problem - that burned bike you can import direct from China:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265080730365
@Trailseeker 'Jobby' is indeed the word for that.
(As an aside this is a prime example of why you should run any proposed trademark through urbandictionary before using it)
Buzzed by one last night whilst cycling home, rider with balaclava, pillion shouting in my ear. I'll shove you in the fence next time.
hold on, motorcyclist, no insurance, licence or helmet.
seems the glasgow police are doing something...
Although this single incident seems to be news worthy.
Saw 2 on our night ride last night. Balaclavas on and no helmets so am assuming they will delete themselves in due course
I saw three wheeling through Arbroath the other night. First time I've actually seen them in the flesh. Funnily enough yoofs with caps and buffs over their faces.
