Green lanes are not off road and you still need to be registered, taxed and all that shizzle just as you do on the road.
Only private land is off road
Thanks for that 🤣
I didn't think it needed staring the obvious fact that I'd buy one of the road legal ones and get it insured etc.
I’d like to think natural selection will sort it out !!
Snipers
We've a family here in Dunblane that occasionally zip down our road - the parents on eBikes while one of the kids takes it in turn on an illegal motorbike....
Not that the Bantam frame would be an improvement, but I don’t think I’d suit the Trappist hoodie look of a Sur-Ron
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at least you'll not be breaking your vow of silence
the parents on eBikes while one of the kids takes it in turn on an illegal motorbike
Except the parents probably don't see it any differently to the ride on cars the kids probably had when they were toddlers, just a more "grown up" version.
I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have wanted one for blasting around fire roads and such if it was an option. Lightweight, cheap to run and less maintenance than a motorbike, yes please.
Maybe a better approach would be encouraging and helping people to register them, make it easy to do the right thing. It certainly wouldn't hurt.
The government could introduce a scheme whereby if you rammed someone off a Surron then you get a new replacement car.
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Yep and six months later Auctioned off again, no doubt to end up back in the hands of another scumbag…
Makes quite a mockery of the law and the police. Surely they know that'll happen. Must be pretty demoralising for officers on the ground.
The comments underneath that post are….. enlightening.
The number of posts basically saying ‘snitches get stitches’ on a Police FB page gives you a fair idea of the mentality we are dealing with here.
Some even making open threats to people who might be tempted to snitch about them. If only the police had the resources, all these commenters could be having a visit.
Jeez, is this what passes for fashion now? 😆
That's plain criminal wear with that mask like that. Shouldn't be sold.
Jeez, is this what passes for fashion now? 😆
That’s plain criminal wear with that mask like that. Shouldn’t be sold
It's just basic school uniform around here.
We’ve a family here in Dunblane that occasionally zip down our road – the parents on eBikes while one of the kids takes it in turn on an illegal motorbike….
Bloody Judy letting the boys run wild again?
Bloody Judy letting the boys run wild again?
Aye, they don't even stay in thier own hotel grounds...
Been gone five minutes and the place has gone to the dogs. Mind I do remember somebody driving around the astroturf once.
The government could introduce a scheme whereby if you rammed someone off a [s]Surron[/s] bike then you get a new replacement car.
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Meanwhile elsewhere on the Internet...
That’s plain criminal wear with that mask like that. Shouldn’t be sold.
What, like the stupid full parka hoods with goggles getting on 20 years ago? It's shit fashion for daft bams, at least you can easily identify them.
It’s shit fashion for daft bams, at least you can easily identify them.
Rumbled.
This is the sort of Surron content that cheers me up immensely.
say they are just stop oil protestors members organizing an anti-refugee detainment protest and the police will be there with the teargas and one way ticket to rwanda.
^ once again, police using incorrect terms and thereby causing possible issues with law abiding eBike riders.
They are electric motorbikes and need to be referred to as such.
Fair play WMP, that's the messaging that needs to be put out. They use the term 'e-scrambler' which seems to be a distinct term from 'ebike' and therefore an improvement.
I'd rather the bikes were stripped down so eveything can be recycled. But that's me.
I’d rather the bikes were stripped down so eveything can be recycled. But that’s me.
Yeah, am I right in thinking they use MTB parts?
The problem really is quite simple to deal with. Electric or petrol powered, it should be impossible/illegal to buy a motorbike, whether for off-road use or not, without it being registered, taxed, insured and the purchaser producing an appropriate driving licence. Surrons are motorbikes, however the distributors and resellers like to dress them up.
If a bike is then used in public anywhere not meeting those criteria, it gets seized and crushed.
I write this as a motorcyclist of 30 years. There is no good reason for a bike not to be registered. Even if it’s purchased as a race bike, it still should be registered. That’d cut down on a lot of stolen parts being used by unscrupulous racers too.
I have put a deposit down on mine. Can't wait. It will be taxed (free) and insured. I will occasionally ride it like a twonk, but only when there's no-one about. The rest of the time I'll give way and be courteous and say hi etc, all the things we already do when MTBing somewhere a lil bit naughty. It's a shame there's a huge population of bellends causing problems with them, but they're not going away any time soon.
It will be taxed (free) and insured.
Presumably then it'll be registered and have a numberplate. You'd best not be riding it on any bridleways then, just stick to roads and BOATs and you'll be golden. That is the plan yeah?
It will be taxed (free) and insured.
And you have got a full A2 motorbike licence, right? Because an unrestricted Sur-ron has a power to weight ratio greater than 0.1kw/kg so can only be ridden with an A2 licence.
And you have got a full A2 motorbike licence, right? Because an unrestricted Sur-ron has a power to weight ratio greater than 0.1kw/kg so can only be ridden with an A2 licence.
Not yet. But I do have 5 acres of woods here to play in until I take a test. There's some debate of what sort of test is necessary. The bike (Talaria Sting R) claims to have 8kW, but that's peak - it's continuous power is only 4kW (and I imagine that's the number that's important, not the "marketing number").
Certainly gov.uk says
Electric motorcycles
You can use an electric motorcycle [for your test] or moped if it both:has the same engine power as the petrol version
can keep that power for at least 30 minutesThis is known as the ‘continuous power rating’ - you can check this with the manufacturer.
So who knows 🤷♂️ Be nice to not have L-plates and not have to re-take a CBT every 2 years, anyway.
Presumably then it’ll be registered and have a numberplate. You’d best not be riding it on any bridleways then, just stick to roads and BOATs and you’ll be golden. That is the plan yeah?
Aye, that's the plan. Lots of decent greenlanes/BOATs around here (and our woods).
Are they legal from a type approval viewpoint? Surly there's a load of requirements that motorbikes have to meet, in the same way that cars have to.
Small volume motorbikes can just go through the individual vehicle approval process. I know one manufacturer that has an IVA inspection bay on the premises (but it is locked up and functions as a totally stand alone and independently audited operation). I presume the same can be done for electric bikes. Not sure how much requirement there is in this for approved components - e.g. tyres and brakes etc already have approvals.
Fair play downhiller, I'm convinced. 👍
0.1kw/kg, so 134 bhp/tonne. Blimey!!!
As opposed to the 2000bhp/tonne of a modern sports bike. Bit less with your average lardy rider on board, but it's not surprising they need some fairly sophisticated electronics to give you a chance of controlling them.
A Sur-ron claims 7kw and 45 kg so just over 200bhp/tonne.
On a scaled down MX track I bet it would be awesome fun, at somewhere like Staunton it'd just be an accident waiting to happen.
Downhiller: what insurance have you got? Do you mean third party liability insurance or insurance for you if it gets stolen?
And that power is of course the attraction - they are motorbikes.
But as the post from downhiller shows, the rules are seriously complex. How is a police officer on the street, or buyer of a bike, is meant to know all this though?
I was wrong about the A2 licence requirement - I had incorrectly assumed that electric bikes had the same power to weight ratio requirements as ICE bikes. But licences for electric bikes are rated purely on power regardless of weight, and up to 11kw only requires A1. 11-35kw needs A2, and above 35kw an unrestricted class A licence. There is also a moped equivalent category, L1e, which must have a maximum speed of 28mph. Surron sell one of these, but it's easy to derestrict and can then do 47mph.
Decent explainer here https://begin-motorcycling.co.uk/electric-motorcycle-law-uk/
still ridden by gits whatever the power
The one we have on my parent’s farm is definitely a little electric moto and that’s how it feels. Definitely not an ebike, it doesn’t have pedals and has a throttle. My mum prefers it because it’s pretty much silent compared to the quads and scramblers we had as kids (although she still disapproves of motos) until we broke either then or ourselves trying to recreate the Kristy Demons of Dirt videos.
The naming piece is a challenge, I have an uncool version of this, and by that I mean a vespa type scooter that's electric. I tend to call it an electric moped to avoid people thinking I'm 1. on an e-scooter 2. In any way cool. 🙂
A bit off topic but absolutely love it, tops out at 50mph, 45 mile range. Got rid of my car and don't miss it at all.
The dealer I initially went to had the night before just had 5 of the sur-ons nicked from his yard. He said they're used alot of the time to evade the po-po after commiting crimes and drug deals.
I'd agree with the general consensus: cut off the supply, only sold if theyre registered/ road legal. I can't see a positive reason to have one that an ebike doesn't deliver
Most riders of Sur-ron type bikes know they are illegal, given they all have balaclavas in the height of summer. Not exactly in-conspicuous, especially when you see a lad on foot run across the road in the village, and there is another on a bike a few hundred yards away. They know the police can't do anything.
We had one 'lovely caring lad' (who had been previously convicted of being part of a "take away" owner's manslaughter when they knicked his car and ran him over) get splatted recently. He robbed 'the wrong lads' bike from another village. Said 'victim' jumped in his car, tracked him down, gave chase, and ran him off the road and killed him. This lot just don't care. There were 'riots' locally because of it.
Coming back from last nights Monday Night Pub Ride at about 10.30 last night and a gang of about 15 scrotes on Sur-Rons came battering down off the hills. They scared the living ****ing shit out of me! Riding home down a usually empty bridleway at that time, the last thing you're expecting is to suddenly be surrounded by 15 nobheads in balaclavas on silent motor bikes, blatting past you at 30mph+ 😳
So it looks like we're now going to be sharing the local trails with them
Oh joy! Something to look forward to
Such a nice bunch
Coming back from last nights Monday Night Pub Ride at about 10.30 last night and a gang of about 15 scrotes on Sur-Rons came battering down off the hills. They scared the living ****ing shit out of me! Riding home down a usually empty bridleway at that time, the last thing you’re expecting is to suddenly be surrounded by 15 nobheads in balaclavas on silent motor bikes, blatting past you at 30mph+ 😳
They came from Rawtenstall way - I was out with doggo and they blasted past me, headlights, no tailights (obviously!), heading towards Ramsbottom direction.
I've seen the odd scroat - there was one I had a run in with up Robins Hoods Well/Whitehorse descent, and saw two in Eden field the other day but last night was a full on big group of them.
@RustyNissanPrairie - I've seen the odd couple around too, but nothing like last night. They came off the Moor Bottom Road from that direction, then headed down the Rake, so must have come up Robin Hoods Well direction.
I hope its not the sign of things to come, but suspect it will be. The crossers have already destroyed all the trails over the other side of the valley and its clear that the police can't do anything about it (where would they even start?).
It was a pretty scary experience suddenly having 15 Sur-Rons all around you and they clearly all found it hilarious that they'd nearly given me a heart attack.
As opposed to the 2000bhp/tonne of a modern sports bike.
More like 1000bhp/tonne surely? An R1 is ~200bhp and ~200kg, no?
A Sur-ron claims 7kw and 45 kg so just over 200bhp/tonne.
That's bad maths right there, that'd be 156bhp/tonne. Also I believe the weight claim is optimistic - certainly it's known that the Talarias are built a bit sturdier, but mine is somewhere in the 63-72kg range (seen a variety of numbers, won't know until I actually weigh it). Also worth noting that the Sur-ron's 7kW and the Talaria's 8kW are both PEAK power, not continuous. As to what that means in the real world, I don't know.
Downhiller: what insurance have you got? Do you mean third party liability insurance or insurance for you if it gets stolen?
None yet, but the quote I got was TP road insurance, as opposed to fully comp or TP+F&T.
There is also a moped equivalent category, L1e, which must have a maximum speed of 28mph. Surron sell one of these, but it’s easy to derestrict and can then do 47mph.
ALL Sur-Rons and Talaria's come set to 28mph. Well, the L1E/road legal versions anyway, but I think the off-road ones maybe do as well? And they all come with a little loop of wire which its known if snipped will derestrict them. They know they have to do it, but they know no-one wants to be limited, so they make the bypass simple (whilst undocumented, officially, of course).
still ridden by gits whatever the power
Most of them, for sure.
Coming back from last nights Monday Night Pub Ride at about 10.30 last night and a gang of about 15 scrotes on Sur-Rons came battering down off the hills. They scared the living ****ing shit out of me! Riding home down a usually empty bridleway at that time, the last thing you’re expecting is to suddenly be surrounded by 15 nobheads in balaclavas on silent motor bikes, blatting past you at 30mph+ 😳
So it looks like we’re now going to be sharing the local trails with them
That does NOT sound pleasant. But aye, I can't see the problem going away I'm afraid. Mandatory conscription, I think that's what the yoofs need 😁
Such a nice bunch
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😮I hope its not the sign of things to come, but suspect it will be. The crossers have already destroyed all the trails over the other side of the valley and its clear that the police can’t do anything about it (where would they even start?).
Sadly, I think it is. And whilst I certainly won't be acting like the ones you're all describing, **** me do they look a lot of fun. Count me in. Glad I've bought one before they're banned 😁
I'm also VERY glad I live in a part of the country where I've never seen one! Relatively low population and relatively low income. God bless North Wales.
