The issue is they may delete someone else in the process.
seems the Glasgow police are doing something…
Idiot stopped, bike seized (and hopefully crushed), clearly saying it's an electric motorcycle and not an 'E-bike' good work all round.
Has anyone ever spotted a SurRon being ridden sensibly?
Don't be daft.
Me neither, but to be fair I don't live near an MX track or on large farm or private estate, which are the legitimate use cases for these bikes.
Most pay to play off-road/ motocross centres don't want them anywhere near them either.
Regularly see sur rons being ridden round Aberdeen city centre.
had one come up the right hand side of me on a 40mph DC, and actually swerved towards me.
i was driving a 20 ton bus, so **** knows what he was hoping to achieve.
I was working on some fencing with the Wildlife Trust volunteers yesterday and one came hammering down the lane flat out, rider head to foot in black 'tactical' clothing, balaclava and black wrap around shades. I don't think he was just out for a leisure ride. One of the other volunteers asked "if we all know what they are doing, why don't the police?".
<p>Just seen the Aberdeen “crew” follow a police van down Union Street. Hard to see what the police can do without some significant resources. At the same time it’s probably quite a small number of the little what’s it’s that are a problem, get them off the road problem sorted?</p>
If one of these little darlings get knocked off, they were lovely young lads, salt of the earth, does his gran's shopping everyday (whilst on the drugs run).
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Has anyone ever spotted a SurRon being ridden sensibly?</span>
Most riding along the canal path next to me are ok. Slow right down, and are generally aware of other users.
Couple of ****s, but on the whole ok.
However, I think it's the ex mx bikers with new toys, not scrotes. The mx lads were just really loud, now they're not.
£2k and it's yours....
The ones riding across the Rutland cricket pitch in Ilkeston last week weren't bothered about hiding their identity, even when I was filming them with my phone.
Weirdly, I can't find how/where I can report and upload the clip to the safer neighbourhood team, so I gave up.
Round our way there's a few, usual balaclava and so on, messing about on the roads at night, you can almost see how it'll end, police aren't that interested, they upload videos of wheelies and so on down the main streets, folk complain, there'll be an incident of someone doing something daft and it'll be all too late to sort it.
Spoke to a guy who works ina mx shop that sells them. Said it's pretty much been scalleys in track suits payment in cash buying them. But don't prejudge they are nice boys.
Said it’s pretty much been scalleys in track suits payment in cash buying them
I used to know someone who sold quad bikes. 20% were farmers, the rest drug dealers
These bikes cost the same or less than an ebike and have way better performance and quality. Why would any sensible person by an ebike ? Simple solution is to reduce ebike cost to more reasonable values
Perhaps we could crowdfund a gang to deal with these people. We could call it... the police.
Said it’s pretty much been scalleys in track suits payment in cash buying them
Do we need a "know your customer" type law? It's been done for financial services and scrap metal.
These bikes cost the same or less than an ebike and have way better performance and quality. Why would any sensible person by an ebike ?
Legitimate use - easier to park, easier to handle, easier to filter.
Nefarious use - easier to hide, easier to get places you shouldn't.
Most pay to play off-road/ motocross centres don’t want them anywhere near them either.
Is that right? Where have you seen any evidence of that?
Signs in Forestry land up near Grandtully spelling out the difference:
Generally for off road/Mx centres you need a bike of a certain and checked standard, plus helmet/safety gear, possibly 3rd party insurance. You also have to pay for the facilities or club, and have a way to get your bime there. Funnily enough organised motor sport centres have lots of rules and regs and liabilities to abide by.
Atleast that's how it used to be a couple of decades ago when I was trying to sort out issues with illegal off-roading by scrotes and daddy scrote/little scrote gangs in community woodlands I was trying to grow and develop. There was an off road centre maybe two miles away, but you had to pay, have insurance, helmet etc, and bikes that were suitable. Obviously you had to also get the off-road bikes there by legal means, not the pavements and estate roads.
They weren't about to pay and abide by stupid rules to use their bikes.
I saw my first legal one yesterday - Number plate, L-plate, helmet, boots and jacket, and being ridden sensibly - well he stopped at the lights, which is a low bar that the illegal ones fail to pass.
So the problem isn't Sur-rons per se, it's arseholes.
Those signs showing the difference between legal Eebs and the MX bikes are good to see.
Maybe those signs can be forwarded to the BBC to update their previous article???
That ssign. It's got "it's" instead of "its".
Was at a local pump track the other day. It was busy with a handful of kids pedaling round. But there was also a dad on a sur-on with his two little kids on electric balance bikes/scooter things. He was riding round fast, clearing doubles etc. But admittedly there was never a moment where he might have crashed into anyone.
There was a couple of other parents there, they just asked him where he got the e-scooters from, a teenager came over to see if he could have a go on the sur-on and a couple of cops came by, watched him do a few laps then wandered off. Seems I'm the only person who thought he was behaving like a bit of a dick.
Of course I just muttered under my breath and shook my head a bit.
Am I wrong? An adult bashing round a pump track on a sur-on whilst there's other kids there? In front of your own kids thereby validating that behaviour to them? Or is that ok?
Am I wrong? An adult bashing round a pump track on a sur-on whilst there’s other kids there? In front of your own kids thereby validating that behaviour to them? Or is that ok?
I agree with you.
Seems I’m the only person who thought he was behaving like a bit of a dick.
Nope, you're right, he was.
'It'll attract motorcycles' is one of the most common lines you hear from NIMBYs who are opposed to pumptracks or any other kind of fun bike stuff. Of course they really just hate any kind of noise and young people in general but the Sur Ron crowd give them a lot to work with.
From what you were saying it sounds like Pumptrack Dad was at last being fairly careful but if that pump track starts seeing more of these turn up it's only a matter of time before there's an accident and at that point a injured child's parent will be demanding to know why the council wasn't preventing motorcycles being used there.
The council will then probably end up in court and face either having to employ a warden to police the facility or see a vast hike in their public liability insurance, neither of which they will be able to afford.
At best it puts a major damper on plans for any future facilities, at worst they all get ripped out and everyone loses.
The muppet riding a 'twist and go' Ebike conversion round Swinley with no helmet on Sunday falls under a similar category.
I ride my mountain bike where I m not allowed to. I just do it respectfully and responsibly. Personally I don't mind others doing similar. If it was safe then no issues from me.
how to ruin a nice bike
wtf!
Kona Lava Dome Ebike.
3000w Hub Wheel
72v Battery Maximal Charge 84v outputs 5000w on a full charge
60a controller (84 x 60 = 5040w) on full charge
Charge will last you 1-3 days depending on how you use it depends what mode and style of riding.
60mph top speed ( surron killer )
5 modes
Mode 1 - 10mph
Mode 2 - 25 mph
Mode 3 - 35mph
Mode 4 - 45/50mph
Mode 5 - 50-60mph
This bike cost 1.5k to build so dont fool around when offering to buy the bike. This bike is basically a surron / talaria sting r on a mountain bike in fact it is faster than most surrons.
The acceleration and handling on this bike is crazy so please be careful.
Wheelies are done very easily took me a week to learn it very very easy.
Used for a couple months built by me cable managed + waterproofed everything no silly offers and scammers can stop wasting their own time.
!!!!Make Sure to use ONLY IN PRIVATE LAND AND NOT ON PUBLIC ROADS !!!!😉
Blimey, mode 2 is still way too quick.
I'm starting to suspect some of these conversions are a being made by a shadowy cabal of eugenicists looking to deepen the gene pool.
50-60 MPH on cheap disc brakes, XC tyres and Q/R wheels?
Can we get the buyer's address so that they can get their Darwin Award ready in advance?
Absolute madness having that power with these components.
Maybe our combined complaints to the beeb have had an impact - nice change of description now, hurrah!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67380021
I was just comparing a complaint letter to the BBC based on the original version, which actually had the phrase "electric motorbikes, or e-bikes...". Someone obviously beat me to it.
Both West and North Yorkshire Police (I live on the border and thus follow both) have been regularly posting on Social Media over the past few weeks about what seems to be a bit of a clampdown on these (as well as more traditional anti-social crosser and stolen Gixxer 600 use).
Our local NPT have also been taking it quite seriously on a local level as we suffer from a local dog walking/school route path being used as a cut-through/drag strip by chicken chasers and pit bikes.
It is, of course, met with all sorts of uproad about arent the police supposed to be dealing with real crime, and thats my promising young footballer sons crimbo present, not my fault he got expelled, wot else iz he supposed to do all day etc.
Crush em, imo.
There was a long piece by the journalist who wrote the article linked above on BBC breakfast this morning. Was very impressed to be honest at the effort he went to to delineate between e-scooters/e-bikes/e-motorbikes. I assumed from the way it was presented that the piece was a preview of a standalone BBC program, but can't see anything.
Some footage from BBC breakfast here;
https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1723955100618535156?s=20
Crush em, imo.
Kid or the bike? 😉
The scrotes are less of a problem round here than the deliveroo riders on these electric motorbikes. I only recently found out one of them crashed into an Italian cyclist (when he was on foot) here in Glasgow for the world champs. Guy was apparently a medal contender. Ended up with a broken leg and the guy that hit him just rode off. There was also a BBC news story about another guy taken out by one of them recently
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67242398
Thankfully the police are taking action. They seized 12 bikes a couple of weeks ago as they were either modified or already illegal when bought. The clowns riding them buzz around the city without a 2nd thought for anyone else. I had a run in with one a few weeks ago on a pavement in the city centre when he was trying to fly through a bunch of us waiting to cross the road. I blocked his path and told him to get on the road but he refused to speak or move.
The food delivery idiots are starting to become a real problem in urban areas.
Got a few London-based friends I know through music stuff who have zero interest in bikes, was chatting to a few of them recently and the general consensus was they "****ing hate cyclists"
At first this came across as pure Daily Mail stuff but it was uncharacteristic of them so I dug a little bit deeper, turned out they had all had run-ins with Food Delivery types on twist and go electric motorbikes or conversion kits, the usual, aggressive riding on pavements, running red lights, riding at night with no lights etc.
To the uniformed these people are 'cyclists' and therefore when asked about what they think about cyclists the answers were very hostile but in reality this was all a result of encounters with this specific subset.
'Giving us all a bad name' is a cliche but it's an appropriate description of what's happening right now and it will have consequences down the line.
The only real solution will be to give the delivery apps the legal responsibility for their riders to use legal transport but they will do ANYTHING they can to wriggle out of that as they know how big a problem it is.
After what happened in Cardiff,it's a real tricky one for police to manage.
If they try to stop the riders and there are crashes,or injury to other members of the public,they then get the blame.
Crush em, imo.
Kid or the bike? 😉
And the parents.
Sur-Ons and illegally modified ebikes are a nightmare. The Police need to crack down on the Deliveroo riders though - just wait outside the takeaways and with a skip....
We have a lot around the office, they like to play chicken when I use the zebra crossing. Then they bottle it when I drop my shoulder and they realise I'm prepared to risk a collision.
My first encounter with these e motorbike folk at Ashton court on Saturday.
They were the hard of thinking sort, but were civil to me. They knew they shouldn't be there there, and I knew they knew that I knew.
Since greater than 50% of my riding is in places I'm not supposed to be, I wasn't going to attempt to pillory them. We exchanged naught boy nods and a knowing look and left it at that.
Yeah, they had motors, but they couldn't ride for shit - because I was right behind them, I could see they were being pretty respectful of the trail tbh.
The food delivery idiots are starting to become a real problem in urban areas.
Maybe in the absence of sufficient policing it would make sense to make it the responsibility of the booking agent (Deliveroo etc.) to ensure the legality of their riders (Uber etc. have to vet drivers) - it'll only take a handful of cases and fines before the impact on their bottom line encourages them to be a bit more stringent.
