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None of you can say my actions have caused antaganism… You know why?
Because you haven’t witnessed them. Not once.
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You really think that when they see you wheelying they think ‘oh, what a great guy!’
They actually think ‘what a ****, ride properly’. At least, on our local community forums that’s what they say when they see riders dicking about on roads.
Your local community forum sounds like a bunch of miserable old farts that can't stand seeing other people enjoying themselves, maybe you should stop using it quick before you end up like them!
Imagine passing 2 people on the way to work. One is doing a manual/wheely/jumping a kerb looking happy and says morning on the way past, the other is riding along with a face like a slapped arse staring at their front wheel. From real world experience I know which one most people would prefer to see.
My old commute and ride to some of the local trails involves riding through town, theres plenty of low walls to ride along and pop off the end of, steps to jump down and other stuff to make a boring ride interesting. I've never experienced anything other than the odd old person tutting or shaking their head, the positive comments/looks on people's faces far outweigh the negative ones.
Imagine passing 2 people on the way to work. One is doing a manual/wheely/jumping a kerb looking happy and says morning on the way past, the other is riding along with a face like a slapped arse staring at their front wheel. From real world experience I know which one most people would prefer to see.
What about the third option - someone who is riding along considerately and sensibly, but also smiling and saying hello? You do your argument no favours by comparing it to an unrealistic alternative.
Messing about on off-road stuff or street furniture is one thing, when there's no-one around. Dicking about on roads is another thing entirely. I hop off kerbs and jump off street furniture all the time - but only when I know there is no-one around. I used to take any gap available to me when I was younger, but I learned how other people react to it, so I stopped out of consideration to them and a desire not to be a dick. Once for example a cycleway in Finland had a hump next to a bus stop that you could get air off. An old lady was near the bus stop and I thought to myself 'oh there's plenty of room' and there was. However, the lady wasn't looking at me but she heard me and misread my position, she leapt out of my way so she thought - but she actually leapt right into my path. Unpredictable behaviour, and I nearly took her out. Other instances on the trails happen daily. Mostly when I meet a walker on the great final descent of my local ride there's plenty of room to get by without braking. But I brake, because when walkers have a biker charging past at speed it stresses them out. I know this because it stresses me out when bikers do it to me.
Now, on the roads it's a similar story but the distances are greater. As a driver, when you see an unpredictably moving hazard such as a dick on a bike wheeling around, you tense up, you become alert, and when it's just someone messing about and therefore entirely unnecessary, it annoys people. It's the same when drivers or pedestrians mess about on roads, for that matter. It's antisocial, basically. What seems fine when you are on the bike is not fine when you are the driver or ped having to deal with it mentally. You seem unaware of the effect your riding could be having on other people or you don't care. Which makes sense, because it matches your behaviour on here 🙂
Do you think by any chance some drivers might actually give the more dynamic rider a wider berth when passing ?
Do you think they get as many "sorry didn't see you mate"'s as less dynamic riders?
Why are you calling soemeone who can wheelie proficiently and in control a "dick" when you yourself can't?
Do you realise resorting to namecalling in an otherwise adult discussion makes you a dick
What about the third option – someone who is riding along considerately and sensibly, but also smiling and saying hello?
This third scenario is incredibly rare on the road.
it's not even all that common from commuters on shared cycle tracks.
The more "cyclisty" the rider. the less social they tend to be IME
Where did I say I can do what I want?
None of you can say my actions have caused antaganism… You know why?
Because you haven’t witnessed them. Not once.
Your whole narrative is "I chose what rules I obey" - the 'ignorant dickheads' I sometimes drive with have been frequently and passionately angered by red-light jumping cyclists. So you're wrong, but you DO sound fabulous with your wheelies and skids.
Do you realise resorting to namecalling in an otherwise adult discussion makes you a dick
From the guy that calls my friends and family 'ignorant dickheads', right? You've broken my recently-fixed irony meter.
What exactly *passionately* angers your totally clued up, massively intelligent and lovely friends and family ?
Please explain so I can also learn to love and admire their great wealth of knowledge and information regarding what to be passionately angered about
People on bikes jumping red lights. That was what we were talking about, no?
No. what exactly about it angers them?
It doesn't even make sense to become angered by it. Nevermind passionately.
I guess you can't actually even explain. Can you?
Are you sure these people are your friends?
Family I can wholeheartedly believe.
Do you drive?
It doesn’t even make sense to become angered by it.
Right, so you lack empathy and understanding, but don't accept that you lack these things. Hence the row. It's an interesting study in psychology.
go on then mol
explain why it makes sense to be angered by it?
I lack empathy for trivial issues. You know very little about psychology, and you'll learn very little trying to work me out.
Yes Pondo. I drive.
Yes Pondo. I drive.
Ace. Ever get annoyed at someone jumping a light, hogging a middle lane, pushing into a queue or cutting you up?
Nope.
middle lane hoggers I've always found quite funny. it's perfectly legal to undertake them. If they still don't move over after that's happened it's even funnier.
Pushing into a queue. Nope. Oh.. and BTW Queuing up half a mile from the lane closure isn't actually mandatory. it's perfectly legal to join in the last 100m. so if get angered by that too you only have yourself to blame really.
If by "cutting you up" you mean driving dangerously and almost causing an accident. That's not acceptible. No.. But we're not talking about riding bikes dangerously. We're talking about people like you and your friends/families odd perception of viewing something that doesn't even affect you and becoming angered by it.
I don't ride dangerously or put anyone's safety at risk. I haven't ever said I do.
What about the third option – someone who is riding along considerately and sensibly, but also smiling and saying hello?
This third scenario is incredibly rare on the road.
Wasn't that the original point of the mumsnet post - that most cylists are ****S?
Wasn’t that the original point of the mumsnet post – that most cylists are *S?
If you classify “not smiling and saying hello” as being a * then that’s the majority of people on foot and just about every single person driving or riding a motor vehicle. And just about everyone in every context outside of a furniture showroom.
And just about everyone in every context outside of a furniture showroom.
Massage parlour ladies seem very smiley too, every single one I've walked past anywhere in the world has had lots of really friendly ladies inviting me inside for a good time. Unfortunately, I'm a cheap miserable bastard so I just try to avoid eye contact and scuttle away.
No idea what half of the namecalling here actually is Bez
If only forums frequented by adults didn't feel the need for every slightly rude word to be asterix'd out.
I was just typing asterisks, and I think so was hols2.
You need to get that **** chip off your shoulder 😉
most important of all smiling and making eye contact with, thanking and greeting pedestrians and drivers when passing raises my image out of the “cyclist” group stereotype and humanises me more to onlookers.
It definitely gets me compliments and smiles back
I was out riding the A86 at the weekend. Its a bit busy and a bit windy in places so I like to keep my wits about me. I heard a very sporty car approaching fast behind me, looked around to see this flash of blue TVR and gave a big grin.
30 minutes or so later I saw the same car coming towards me and got a friendly wave off the driver. The way you react to folk when you're cycling definitely has a feedback effect.
I lack empathy for trivial issues. You know very little about psychology, and you’ll learn very little trying to work me out.
Genuine question, are you autistic?
Nope
Are you at least aware that a phenomena called road rage exists, even if you're as blissfully free of it as you are empathy?
We’re talking about people like you and your friends/families odd perception of viewing something that doesn’t even affect you and becoming angered by it.
You are not afraid of a sweeping generalisatioon, are you? Which is ironic, as that's where we came in.
I don’t ride dangerously or put anyone’s safety at risk.
I'm sure people in cars who jump red lights would say much the same thing.
No. what exactly about it angers them?
It doesn’t even make sense to become angered by it. Nevermind passionately.
I guess you can’t actually even explain. Can you?
I'll have a stab, MG touched on it but what makes drivers angry when the see RLJ cyclists ect is fear. Discount the odd lunatic but people in general just want to go about their buisness and get home safely. The last thing they want to do is get involved in an accident that causes themselves or others harm. A cyclist running lights whealing bla,bla, bla is in their minds unpredictable and that makes them alarming and frightening mistly because they think they might knock them off.
People's second reaction to being frightened is to get angry as part of the flight or fight response.
Try it, go up behind someone and startle them, first they jump then they want to punch you.
It doesn’t even make sense to become angered by it.
I thought you claimed to be "pretty well read/informed on the subject of psychology". Yet you seem to be ignorant of a number of cognitive biases at the same time as displaying plenty yourself.
Try it, go up behind someone and startle them, first they jump then they want to punch you.
Because they've been startled, or because they've realised it's Geex? 🙂
(sorry, couldn't resist)
This third scenario is incredibly rare on the road.
Eh..no it's not..
And for what it's worth if I saw someone wheelying along the road during the daily commute my first thought would be 'what a nobber'. A quick poll of my work colleagues confirms I wouldn't be alone in this reaction.
Geex probably wouldn't realise the reaction he's actually getting however as he does strike me as having a fairly astounding lack of self awareness. That or he is just a great troll. I'm undecided on which one it is.
And for what it’s worth if I saw someone wheelying along the road during the daily commute my first thought would be ‘what a nobber’.
Not just the commute. Aside from a few very specific trail obstacles* I think that about all unneccessary wheelying. On road or off, cycle or motorbike.
I always wonder if they do it when nobody is around to see it, but alas, just like the refrigerator light, I will never know.
*and impressing 13 year old girls. Which shouldn't really be done by anyone over the age of 14 or so.
I just bunny hopped off a kerb and the three women watching became pregnant instantly, such was my awesomeness. Geex was right!
Genuine question, are you autistic?
I would guess psychopathic rather than autistic based on heavy narcissism, can't be criticized etc,.
if I saw someone wheelying along the road during the daily commute my first thought would be ‘what a nobber’. A quick poll of my work colleagues confirms I wouldn’t be alone in this reaction.
Hi, just to say- I see it often on my commute: Schoolboys every single time. (I smile and do not think 'nobber'). But they are kids.
Carry on.
You also have absolutely no clue whether my actions have ever antagonised anyone or instilled a single negative memory nevermind *fermented* negative behaviour.
Well, there’s at least six pages of clues right here...
so I read back and found:
I don’t consider myself a cyclist. Just someone who loves riding bikes and does it a lot.
On my commute each way I jump 19 red lights, ride 4 pavements and hop on and off a few more and on the way in I ride one quiet one way street (Lane) the wrong way.
All of the above is done safely. No one is ever in danger from my actions and no one is inconvenienced in the slightest.
**** blindly obeying the law when the law is stupid, ill thought out and actually more dangerous than not obeying it.
Cycle lane planning is a complete joke here and quite a few are just plain dangerous if you stick to the advised cycle lanes/filters etc.
...and thought that was pretty much my london commute back in the pre-congestion charge day -
minus wheelies, manuals, endos etc, mainly because I can't do them - and it seemed pretty appropriate at the time. Where I live now it would feel a bit more conspicuous and I'm generally in less of a hurry.
I started out obeying the highway code and gradually learned not to, albeit not quite going full courier.
I always wonder if they do [wheelies] when nobody is around to see it
I feel bad that you've clearly never experienced the weightless feeling of a perfectly balanced wheelie. Because if you had, you would understand that they're just really fun. And yeah, I do wheelies when no one can see. Because wheelies are ace.
no Bob I'm not autistic.
Why would it matter to you if I was?
All I'm doing here here is being honest.
It's odd how most NTs struggle so much with this
the Aspie people I know best (very well) have more empathy than me.
I'm not sure you understand autism.
Pondo. you haven't even begun to understand anything.
I know there's a thing called road rage and it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone get's themselves that wound up over trivial road issues. Please don't try to justify road rage just because you and your family/friends can't keep calm at the sight of a "cyclist" passing safely through a red light.
Taxi. I haven't frightened a single person.
today I manualled (safely, putting no one in danger or scaring anyone) past a guy on an old GT hardtail. When I stopped at the next set of lights he smiled and said hello. I reciprocated as always. He then preceded to ask me about my bike and where I rode so I pulled onto the pavement and had a nice 5 minute chat about bikes and riding with him. Turned out he'd had a nice full sus but it'd been nicked and a mate had lent him the old GT.
It was in pretty good nick for a 15+ year old hardtail so I complimented it and agreed how shit it feels to have any bike stolen.
Yeah... Ok. he's probably pregnant now but everyone loves my kids so it's a win win init?
a little later on the two occupants of a convertible sports car cheered me and plenty other folk smiled as I wheelied up most of the hills on the second part of my journey.
cool stray bra
I hate endos. they're ugly AF unless you spin off the front wheel to rear wheel and complete a 360 and ride off.
Unnecessary wheelies? WTAF?
the entire pastime of riding a bike is unnecessary.
I have another cool story from today.
approaching a red at a traffic light controlled crossroads this morning a very prim well to do looking woman on an upright city bike was stopped at the front waiting to turn right. The next light in the sequence was a green man on all 4 crossings. She dismounted, crossed the pedestrian crossing to her right then the next one and when safely over preceded to re-mount her bike and ride off before the original right turn light had time to turn green.
Did anyone lose their shit over this blatant flouting of the law? No. I don't think so.
Was anyone scared? No. I really don't think it scared anyone at all.
now I was also turning right. The only difference is I didn't dismount or follow the pedestrian crossing lanes. I simply took a right turn while all the traffic lights were on Red and were staying red easily long enough for me to ride safely and without inconveniencing anyone. (because of the pedestrian green).
This made the right turn far safer for both of us.
Personally I think anyone losing their shit over either of us not obeying the law is way more of a psychopath than me.
Blindly following rules that make no sense seems pretty mental to me too.
to all the Keyboard psycologists.. I've spent more than enough enough time in the company of actual qualified clinical psychologists and psychiatrits. Your dignosis is way off..
you're also blowing the whole situation out of all proportion.
you're not hearing what you want to so you start name calling... that does nothing so you put me down as having a mental disorder for simply being honest and not afraid to think for myself.
The reality is. Most road ragers losing their shit over a bike passing through a red light.
are actually angry because the bike rider managed to proceed while they're stuck in their tin box.
They're not scared. They're enraged because they feel cheated.
riding a bike dangerously, inconsiderately or inconvenienctly is another matter entirely.
Kerley. You can criticise me all you want. It's pretty much the only thing you reply to me here to do. It doesn't make you right.
Kryton. There isn't a single instance I've mentioned in this thread where I've "antagonised" anyone.
Kerley. You can criticise me all you want. It’s pretty much the only thing you reply to me here to do. It doesn’t make you right.
It is hard to reply anything else to your posts. I have feedback how they come across and I am not alone as many others have yet you don't accept that.
It isn't about anyone being right. I break a law every single time I ride my bike, one of my bikes is not even road legal. I am no better than you in that regard, however I don't boast about it and keep saying how awesome I am for doing it.
go on then mol
explain why it makes sense to be angered by it?
Explain why it makes sense to keep having these stupid acrimonious arguments on the internet 🙂
Where have I boasted? Or said I'm awesome?
I've simply replied to the topic truthfully.
You do realise any "babies/pregnancy" refs are actually humour, eh?
Where have I boasted? Or said I’m awesome?
Half of you posts are you saying how much better you are than others, they are too weak etc,.
Sounds like you ae not intentionally doing that but I can assure you that is how it comes across (as it does for others hence all the comments from people about how awesome you are)
Where have I boasted? Or said I’m awesome?
