****s gonna ****. Just more red meat for the golf club bores.
Who’s he targeting? Chris Froome??
To be fair, 20mph is a fast cruise on a decent road bike. I can come close to averaging that around Richmond Park with some sections much faster. And I'm far from the quickest around there.
It's not something that most people can achieve by accident though, you kind of have to be pushing to achieve it unless as you say you're on a descent.
SOmeone should ask him to go out and average 20mph+ for 1 mile himself and see how easy it is 😀
His Wikipedia page is worth a quick read. Edit history as well.
While it's easy to dismiss such ideas, and I have absolutely no concern it will ever come into law, it continues a divisive, selfish and petty attitude that so many in our country have.
you can’t speed on a bicycle on the road, as there is no limit
Interesting, as a group of us were stopped a few years ago by the Police when descending into a North Yorkshire village and we were told we were speeding and not to do it again...
If this came in, I'd also like to see a law that says "In order to keep your driving licence, you have to commute to work for a week every year by bike" It would equally stupid to try to enforce, but it would fun watching the Daily Mail comments section explode
What else did we expect from the man who thinks directors should get massive bonuses for failure and the staff take paycuts
About as likely to happen as those 40 new hospitals and the nuclear reactor every year
Just the usual gammon dog whistle
Its almost as if there was some really, really serious stuff in the news - inflation now being officially over 10%, for instance - that they'd like to distract everyone from...
Carlton Reid nails it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/carltonreid/status/1559803457040793600?cxt=HHwWgIC-hdy-xKUrAAAA
TLDR: it's bait for the anti-cycling gammons but will be quietly dropped once every expert has told them just how utterly stupid it is.
While it’s easy to dismiss such ideas, and I have absolutely no concern it will ever come into law, it continues a divisive, selfish and petty attitude that so many in our country have.
This! Added to by the fact it's the current Transport Secretary saying it. That means, like it or not, this idea is whilst completely barking mad is actually very mainstream now.
“Particularly where you’ve got 20mph limits on increasing numbers of roads, cyclists can easily exceed those, so I want to make speed limits apply to cyclists.”
A fairly fit road cyclist can exceed 20mph but it is not that easy (you have to put some effort in and know you are going fast) whereas the quote is implying that everyone can do it which is clearly not the case.
Will I be able to get a personalised number plate for my bike?
mert
Free MemberTBH, i wonder who they’ll blame once the whole thing falls flat on it’s face, again?
Leftie Lawyers?
Keep up, it's "BLM trans leftie inclusive EU asylum-seeking enemy-of-the-people lawyers" fault now
Honestly these shit-stirring ****s.
Those DM comments as well. "good now cyclists will obey the law"... okay Dorris, so you've never seen a car, three lorries and a van sail straight though a red light like i do every effing morning?
Brave voice of reason presenting actual facts:
Reptilian Overlords, Flat Earth, United Kingdom, 9 hours ago
Sorry to hear that you have to live in fear. But chances are a car is much more likely to kill or seriously injure you going through a red light. Last year cars killed almost 50 people going through red lights vs none for cyclists believe it or not.
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Strangely I always assumed speed limits did apply to cyclists.
The Times quotes Shapps as saying "I'm not attracted to the bureaucracy of registration plates. That would go too far." The Guardian references a Mail article in order to wind up its readers. Some interesting media dynamics there...
So, just me who always tries to set the speed camera off on a particular section of road that tends to be on a return of a regular ride? 30 limit, not managed it yet, even with a prevailing wind and near killing myself!
speeding? I thought we rode too slowly?
20 on the flat is easily acheivable on a road bike
back in my road riding days there was a speed camera on a downhill in a 30 zone. I tried to set it off a number of times, never managed it.
edit - beaten to it by 2 minutes
Will I be able to get a personalised number plate for my bike?
I'm going to get in line first and get "A1", wait a few decades and sell it for millions... actually maybe this is BoJo's retirement plan.
What would the number plate apply to?
The registration number would be on a tabard I believe.
Here's how I like to respond to Daily Mail readers on this one:
I think it's great we have a government finally taking cycling seriously. And one prepared to invest general tax payer's money into cycling on the same scale as motoring. It'll also be great to see the police giving stolen bikes the same priority as stolen cars. Better/stricter speed limit enforcement for all road users will be much safer. And of course, this will also mean cyclists are finally given equal status to cars on our roads.
(Then watch their little faces drop as they realise the real implications of something like this. You can always follow up with...)
Oh, I'm guessing as part of this a lane of all motorways will be for cyclists now?
Brave voice of reason presenting actual facts:Reptilian Overlords, Flat Earth, United Kingdom, 9 hours ago
Sorry to hear that you have to live in fear. But chances are a car is much more likely to kill or seriously injure you going through a red light. Last year cars killed almost 50 people going through red lights vs none for cyclists believe it or not.
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I know that.
Everyone on here knows that.
In fact, even Grant Shapps and the DfT know that but they're not interested in facts, it's a pure culture war and you can't argue culture war with facts.
It's natural for transport professionals to respond with facts, logic and data but that was what happened with Remain vs Leave and all the Leavers did was go "wah wah wah, we've had enough of experts, take back control".
It's the hard-right using cyclists (an easy outgroup) as a scapegoat to blame for their own complete lack of competence.
Will I be able to BUY a personalised number plate for my bike?
FTFY
Grant Shapps is a massive bellend.
Being debated on LBC right now.
Apparently cyclists are speeding through 20mph urban zones, way above the speed limit.
“There’s a hard core of cyclists who don’t think the law applies to them”
Solution: make more laws for them to ignore.
Exactly. Investing money in education and enforcement of existing rules, for all road users, is clearly not an option.
We all know why this is bollocks - most of it was ruled out by this government at the last consultation - and we all know why it's been "announced" as the latest dead cat/squirrel.
It's nicely pulled apart on his Twitter. I doubt he'll read and understand it though. Or care if he does. Prick.
The registration number would be on a tabard I believe.
I was being facetious about the personalised numberplate, because this was my understanding too.
So we'll be OK then because all the civil liberties moaners who were up in arms about how ID cards would prevent them exercising their lawful rights to carry out crime, (or some bullshit I didn't understand) a few years ago will be all over this.
It'd be better if I had my registration tattooed on my arm. I'm sure someone rolled out a pilot study on this in the 1930's... 🤔
20 on the flat is easily acheivable on a road bike
Is it?!? I'm gonna say it's only sustainable for a pretty small percentage of cyclists.
luckily only plates can be cloned, and no one has invented tabard cloning yet...
20 on the flat is easily acheivable on a road bike
We're onto Schrodinger's Cyclists.
Simultaneously hurtling recklessly at way above the speed limit while also crawling along in the centre of the lane holding up all the traffic.
There's a whole bingo list like that:
"clad in their garish spandex" while also invisible in all-black.
riding on the pavement while also weaving recklessly through traffic.
Depends what you mean by sustainable most riders with a bit of fitness can do a 30min 10mile TT on a road bike.
I would wear my first speeding ticket as a badge of honour. Anyone else try to get a sad face out of the "this is your speed" electric signs!?
speeding? I thought we rode too slowly?
Schrodingers Cyclist, both speeding and holding up traffic at the same time.
Damn, typing too slowly
As many say, it's a load of rubbish, at a time when the tories are looking at scything the civil service, are they really going to bring in a whole raft of legislation and regulation, a licensing department, etc for probably 100 million bikes that are in the UK.
Again, as said on this thread before, it's just the tories playing to the gammon and white van man, it's just unworkable, and if they spent all that money and effort on it, are the police going to actually do checks, are they going to change their ANPR to catch cyclists, traffic stops of bicycles, you couldn't make it up.
Depends what you mean by sustainable most riders with a bit of fitness can do a 30min 10mile TT on a road bike.
I guess that "most riders" needs defining - if we're talking "most of the sporty riders who ride as members of a club and/or compete regularly", then I guess yeah, probably many of them could. If we're talking "most riders" as a percentage of ANYONE you see riding a bike, I don't think many of them could - as an ex-MAMIL, I don't think I could, certainly not for half an hour - I don't know if I ever did a ride of any length at that pace, even when I used to cycle a bit.
It’d be better if I had my registration tattooed on my arm
Not really as it would unlikely to be picked up by cameras.
Personally I think they should consider extending the idea of registration tabards to also pedestrians.
Imagine how many they could catch in the process of illegal activities. And I don't mean jumping pedestrian red lights, I mean stuff like muggings, murder, never mind loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing, coughing without due care and attention, walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area, or walking around with an offensive wife.
As many say, it’s a load of rubbish, at a time when the tories are looking at scything the civil service, are they really going to bring in a whole raft of legislation and regulation, a licensing department, etc for probably 100 million bikes that are in the UK.
They'd probably use a private company for the registration and enforcement given half a chance...
walking on the cracks in the pavement, lock him up!!!!!!
Its just a "look Squirrel" thing to get the knickers in a twist of a bunch of middle aged men whilst the clown show in Westminster sneak something else through with out the public noticing.
20 on the flat is easily acheivable on a road bike
Aren't e-bikes limited to 15.5mph?
Aren’t e-bikes limited to 15.5mph?
Only legal ones. The guy who passed me yesterday was well over 20mph and not pedalling.
I hadn't realised we'd run out of dog whistles. Imagine being the poor civil servants having to deal with this nonsense.
We all know that who we're on about here are the 16 year old drug runners who seem to be able to travel at a steady 20+ mph on a stolen Specialized hardtail, on the back wheel, simultaneously typing a WhatsApp message on their phone and also eating a Greggs sausage roll.
Instead of demonising them, the government should find a way to harness this unique multitasking ability. This could maybe sort out the productivity problem outside London that Liz was rattling on about
Two birds with one stone and all that...
Its the woke left lawyers wot done it. We used to be able to hav a go at the forriegns but we can't know coz its rasict. We hav to hate sumfing so bleedin cycists it is.
