Barel caught with his helmet off. Peaty and Lopes not happy as it's against the rules...
Would do wonders for my fantasy team if he was demoted!
Rules is rules.
Would do wonders for my fantasy team if he was demoted!
Mine too, not that we should let that sway the judges. Much.
Seems a bit petty to me, but I suppose it's different to just racing your mates!!!
Where did peaty come anyway?
Rules is rules.
The rules are pretty stupid though. Hasn't he still 'got a helmet on' technically anyway?
grum - Member
Rules is rules.
The rules are pretty stupid though. Hasn't he still 'got a helmet on' technically anyway?
Not really, it's fairly obvious.
The rules seem quite sensible, you need to wear a lid while out on course riding. Probably for your own safety (not trying to open that can of worms)
You sign on to the rules when you start. Lid not done up in DH and your out. The important thing about rules is to apply them across the board.
Petty.
I agree that the rules are for everyone, and you can either follow them or face the consequences (or race another discipline if they don't suit you).
I'm starting to get really fed up with social media and how everyone is using it though. Is Peaty twelve years old? Take it up with the organisers or shut up for ****s sake.
You sign on to the rules when you start. Lid not done up in DH and your out. The important thing about rules is to apply them across the board.
That's for safety reasons. Having to wear a helmet (correctly) riding slowly up a fire road has nowt to do with safety.
svalgis - Member
I agree that the rules are for everyone, and you can either follow them or face the consequences (or race another discipline if they don't suit you).I'm starting to get really fed up with social media and how everyone is using it though. Is Peaty twelve years old? Take it up with the organisers or shut up for **** sake.
His original tweet was directed at the organisers, to be fair. So he is taking it up with them, albeit via the modern equivalent of shouting his complaint at them across the main street.
The rules seem quite sensible, you need to wear a lid while out on course riding. Probably for your own safety
Could be related to event insurance too.
That's for safety reasons. Having to wear a helmet riding slowly up a fire road has nowt to do with safety.
So are you going to ride around and put up the "Helmet Zone" signs that specify when and where you need to, or specify that above x-kph you have to stop and put a lid on monitored by speed camera?
How about wear a lid from A-B.
grum - MemberThat's for safety reasons. Having to wear a helmet (correctly) riding slowly up a fire road has nowt to do with safety.
Has everything to do with fairness though - lots of competitors suffered up the climbs in their full faces and/or carried XC lids, because they were told that helmets had to be worn at all times, and half wearing a helmet like Barel is doing in the pic was expressly forbidden.
2 helmets are permitted, xc type during transfers - which having a time limit are really part of the race- and ff for the stages. Seems fair enough for me. Not aware of any other events where you're allowed on the course without a helmet.
But as ghill says, probably an insurance requirement.
Nothing wrong with pointing it out, but I'm not sure social media is the place to do it.
What do people think is a fair punishment? 10 second penalty?
Hmm, when I saw the title I just naturally assumed some dude had been caught shortcutting 
Their rules are a bit weak tbh- the main series rules say "A helmet must be worn during competition". So people were mumping about Dan Atherton being seen taking his off for a breather [i]while standing still[/i]. In theory as long as you're in the race you're competing, so there's got to be discretion or at least interpretation. And once you make a rule that needs discretion, you create arguments. I guess there's also an event or region specific rule here on fullface as the series rules don't discuss it.
I hate this "helmet all the time" **** personally especially when combined with fullface requirements (I might have considered a fullface for the UKGE but I'm not carrying around 2 helmets for the sake of being "protected" while riding up a fireroad or pushing up a swamp...) but these are the rules and it looks obviously against the spirit and the letter. He's no enduro noob, he should know the script. But otoh, he [i]is[/i] wearing a helmet and they don't seem to have specificed all the usual "correctly fastened" stuff 😉
vinnyeh - Member2 helmets are permitted, xc type during transfers
But you [i]must wear a helmet while competing[/i], so it's illegal to change helmets 😉
There is no Full Face requirement as far as I'm aware. I've done a couple of the Super Enduro events in Itay.
Most people carry a XC lid to use in the transfer stages, some people (inc Brian Lopes @ Sauze in 2011 using his pisspot) raced the stages in an open face.
Crashing and landing on the XC lid you've strapped to your back must feel awesum! I would probably go full-face this weekend, but carrying two helmets puts me right off
michaelbowden - MemberThere is no Full Face requirement as far as I'm aware. I've done a couple of the Super Enduro events in Itay.
Hah, I'm a moron, I thought it was in France 😳
If that's the case then it gets properly into the grey area, since it's obviously safer to take a full face and not wear it on a fireroad climb, than it is to wear an open face all the time.
michaelbowden - MemberThere is no Full Face requirement as far as I'm aware. I've done a couple of the Super Enduro events in Itay.
Hah, I'm a moron, I thought it was in France
If that's the case then it gets properly into the grey area, since it's obviously safer to take a full face and not wear it on a fireroad climb, than it is to wear an open face all the time.
It may be they have changed the rules now that some of the Italian events have become part of the 'World Series'.
There is no Full Face requirement as far as I'm aware. I've done a couple of the Super Enduro events in Itay.
Wouldn't the World Series rules trump the local ones?
5.4: Equipment RequirementsSafety Equipment
All riders must wear a helmet during competition. The helmet should meet the regulations set by the EWS event organiser. The correct fitting, condition and suitability of the rider's helmet is the sole responsibility of the rider.Specific body protection and helmet requirements may also be stipulated at each event, in accordance with that territory's national regulations. Any protection rules put in place by the EWS organiser must be followed by all competitors, no exceptions will be given.
So does that set the record straight concerning Barel?
Rules for Italian Super Enduro are as follows:
9. EQUIPMENT
•It is mandatory to wear a helmet during the whole duration of the race, both during the transfers as well as during the special stages.
•While undertaking Special Stages (P.S.) it is mandatory to wear CE approved full-face crash helmet, gloves, knee-pads and back protector.
• Contestants lacking a helmet at departure will be disqualified.
•Two types of helmets are allowed. A lighter XC version helmet during the transfers and full face helmet during the special stages.
Looks like the rules have been tightened up to include the FF and back protector.
But if your wearing your mandatory back protector it shouldn't be too bad.Crashing and landing on the XC lid you've strapped to your back must feel awesum!
In all honesty, I'm a bit disappointed in Peaty doing this. Doesn't come across the the professional, legend kind of behaviour you'd expect - more a petulant whiny forum dweller.
Fact is (and facts are all that matters)
A: Peaty was well off the pace so this is irrelevant
B: Barel is wearing a helmet according to the rules so no infringements
C: If the rules don't say "must be fastened" they can't enforce it
D: Peaty should behave himself better in public and contact organisers directly, not be an online b*tchy teenager
I like the bloke and admire everything he's done, just can't help thinking he has let himself down a bit here.
Barel only carried a FF helmet it seems, and is not wearing it while riding in that pic, he's merely carrying it on his head. That contravenes "It is mandatory to wear a helmet during the whole duration of the race, both during the transfers as well as during the special stages"
Barel is keeping his head (and as such, his body) significantly cooler by lifting his full face helmet up so I'd say it's pretty unfair, as daft as that may sound. If anyone disagrees, try it! Riding up hill in a full face helmet is a pretty horrible experience.
Barel ain't wearing that helmet.
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Urge must love that pic the only guy in the with an Enduro style helmet (Urge Archi-Enduro) is not wearing it. The others all have Full DH lids (as far as I can tell)
Shame really, Peaty comes across as complete knob here. As above if he had an issue maybe mention it to the organiser, can't imagine Barel will be too chuffed with this childish approach even if his interpretation of the rules was pushing the limits somewhat. Sure he can breathe easier with it perched but no better than wearing an xc lid. And would an xc lid that others swapped to really slow him down strapped to his pack on the descents 😕
Mention it to organiser, Fab gets told not to do it again, everyone happy. This way Fab gets told not to do it again and the rule is changed slightly, Peat and Lopes look like petty berks given they were so far off the pace anyway.
"Barel caught with his helmet off. Peaty and Lopes not happy as it's against the rules..." OR is it because he smoked them? I love the video clip of Barel chasing down Minaar and making him look like a Sunday driver 🙂
Just as well Barel has a stake in URGE, he can give himself into trouble for marketing his own helmet as too hot.
Just seen this on Dirt:
http://dirt.mpora.com/featured/dirt-tv-world-enduro-series-punta-ala.html
Cannot wait to start racing some enduros!!
"Barel caught with his helmet off. Peaty and Lopes not happy as it's against the rules..." OR is it because he smoked them? I love the video clip of Barel chasing down Minaar and making him look like a Sunday driver
It's great to see the ex world champ smashing the current world champ to bits.
YepIt's great to see the ex world champ smashing the current world champ to bits.
Cannot wait to start racing some enduros!!
http://www.rootsandrain.com/calendar/#!/2013/gb/sd/ 😉
Will you be Smashing QECP? Pete recons he can take you. 😈
I doubt Minaar is going to lose sleep over it. He's likely to be in contention for the world DH series, and has had the upper hand over barel for a while it seems.
http://www.rootsandrain.com/compare.html?i=11706x926
Will you be Smashing QECP? Pete recons he can take you.
Just managed to get space in the last 20. Didn't get one for forest of dean though.
Your doing it arn't ya? Seem to remember you ditching all your team mates as soon as some of the DH boys showed up 😛
Yep doing FOD with original team ish, Me, Dave, Ewan & [s]Ali[/s]Paul
Last time we raced I got the fastest times on our team, my guess is that will no longer be the case with Paul on our team he is a weapon!!
Should be good Not rode the AM bike for a while, Just the HT's I will get the QE DH race out the way and start practicing.
Nice side step their scotty 😆
Going to try and do the races at Swinley and Aston Hill. I'm hoping that next year there will be a load more enduro races.
Impressed with Martin Maes. 16 years old, rides flat pedals and DH tyres and beat Dan Atherton.
Definitely one to watch.
Riding a transition with a lid half off isn't the issue. Shuttling the shit out of the course before the race is. The rules need tightening up.
Going to try and do the races at Swinley and Aston Hill. I'm hoping that next year there will be a load more enduro races.
I don't think the race at swinley will go ahead, If QECP one goes well in planning on running a 3 Race series in the South Downs for 2014.
The rules need tightening up.
Yep, banning 29'ers for being bloody useless would be a good start.
I love the video clip of Barel chasing down Minaar and making him look like a Sunday driver
Link?
Good grief that's rapid 🙂
The unspoken issue is that barel uplifted the hell out of the trails weeks before the event with i-mtb. He then shuttled them to death for a week before the race. Peaty and lopes etc don't feel this is fair. Funny as lopes chooses the trails for the one in the US. At least he did last year...
" Shuttling the shit out of the course before the race is. "
They weren't the only ones. Jared Graves has a moan about this on his blog. He resorted to partial uplifts in his car to stay in the game.
The unspoken issue is that barel uplifted the hell out of the trails weeks before the event with i-mtb. He then shuttled them to death for a week before the race. Peaty and lopes etc don't feel this is fair. Funny as lopes chooses the trails for the one in the US. At least he did last year...
Source?
I think it's interesting that barel was riding with clemenz, who must have seen him, yet apparently said nothing even though it could have got him the win. Yet, a couple of guys that got their asses well whipped, and didn't really feature in the results, are whining.
It seems really petty and smacks of badly bruised egos.
Quite normal in France to stick the helmet on the bars or backpackpack for the ups.
Ruining the format with irrelevent bitching is tedious. People do try to check out the course here, beforehand. Shame if they're milking it though.
I might be very wrong, but I got the impression that Peaty/Minaar/Bryce etc were more there to support the event and do a bit of pre World Cup season training. I doubt Peat or Bryceland expected to do especially well. I've never really though of Peat as an bitchy athlete. Lopes on the other hand has always been very competitive [generalisation] and the Americans often come across as a little whiney [/generalisation]
All a bit petty, though interesting to see if anything comes of it nonetheless.
From what I heard, loads of people shuttled the runs before the race. In fact, a lot of commentators made a point of saying that Tracy Mosley had ridden the entire course rather than done shuttle runs of the stages so I'd guess the number of pro riders doing the same as her is minimal to non-existent.
That said, if they don't want people shuttling they should make a rule then put checkpoints at random spots on the transitions (and move them from time to time) to make sure riders practicing are riding up.
It seems really petty and smacks of badly bruised egos.
I'd not have expected it from Peaty's public personal but it seems like fair comment. Given Lopes is having to rebut comments that he was forced to ride the 29er I guess people think he underperformed.
I think it's interesting that barel was riding with clemenz, who must have seen him, yet apparently said nothing even though it could have got him the win
I had the same thought. Nobody else on the podium is publicly bitching at least, who knows what is going on behind closed doors
If they can turn the whole thing into a bit of a soap with this kind of thing, maybe it's all worthwhile, to get people following.
Looking forward to the next episode 🙂
Yep, banning 29'ers for being bloody useless would be a good start.
You sound scared that someone is going to win on one.
The sport has got big exposure. The race location was known and some took it more serious than others. No rules bar the slight helmet thing were pushed. Don't like the legal shuttling etc, then don't enter or get with the programme. Some people were just more prepared within the rules than others.
Or, push for a change in the rules that will be hard to enforce.
You sound scared that someone is going to win on one
The opposite. They are so shit, riders should get a handicap if they ride one. Perhaps a 2 second head start?
The opposite. They are so shit, riders should get a handicap if they ride one. Perhaps a 2 second head start?
I think those little wheels are giving you an inferiority complex LOL!
Don't like the legal shuttling etc, then don't enter or get with the programme. Some people were just more prepared within the rules than others.
This is BS. So everyone has to come with a car and driver to shuttle them? So an amateur who has trained his ass off turns up to race but has no chance of a good result because all the pro's and locals have shuttled the hell out of it. And if he or she does try and pedal a number of laps they'll be way more spent. Tracy Moesley has it right.
It is the simple fact that some people will do as much as they can within the rules. In your case the rules need changing but it will be hard to enforce.
You know the race is at punta ala and you know the likely trails. You are eager to win, your sponsors want you to win, it is pretty inviting for you to practice the trails if you can.
Uk example. Tweedlove enduro. The locals are already up practicing the trails including the freshly cut stuff. Gentlemens agreements are almost always broken and some rules although fair are too hard to enforce. This is reality.
Yep there are rules and there are rules...
The next enduro is lift assisted so that should shake a bit up. In the end of the day if you can you will practice more, perhaps the organisers need to do a bit more to keep the course under wraps or to tape in some changes just before it opens or close some sections before the race.
In the end it was day 1 for these guys, helmet rules need sorting out and something putting in place to stop as much pre riding if thats what they want. The DH boys are all off back to the day job now anyway I'm guessing they were all there for PR and to have some fun.
There's only one thing for it...the UCI needs to govern Enduro 😀
"Yep, banning 29'ers for being bloody useless would be a good start."
You sound scared that someone is going to win on one.
Somebody did.
mr plow - MemberUk example. Tweedlove enduro. The locals are already up practicing the trails including the freshly cut stuff.
Yup. But then it becomes a matter of degrees, vehicle uplift is a step up from pre-riding. Trouble with this sort of "spirit of the rules" thing is that there's no one interpretation.
How about you just have to ride your bike and if you don't your out?
The fact is that people will practice courses - and it's something the SuperEnduro organisation are cool with. Last year at Finale there were people who'd been practicing the trails for a week or more, many uplifted, so they could get maximum runs in. I got 2 days as that's as long as I had available.
I have to accept that I am not committed enough or backed by sponsors who can pay for me to do that, but on the flipside, don't have the pressures of having to get results for those sponsors.
So yes, it's totally fair that Fab uplifted and practiced.
Some rounds have less practice and chairlift access - that's the beauty of the EWS, the variety of the courses. This means the best all round rider who can adapt to multiple formats, distances and terrains will win overall.
Vouilloz wins round two, Greg Minnaar in third and Dan Atherton way down the field.
Looking forward to watching some clips of the race.
Don't forget Tracy M wining as well.....
This thread is full of spoil 😀
T-Mo is like on a different planet compared to the rest! Such a great competitor not just her form but the way she goes about her racing.
T-Mo is like on a different planet compared to the rest
Until Ann Caro comes back from injury! It will be great to see these two battle it out.
fr0sty125 - Member
T-Mo is like on a different planet compared to the rest! Such a great competitor not just her form but the way she goes about her racing.
as much as i rspect T-Mo have met her at the UKGE rounds shes really nice
anne-carro woill give her something to worry about if she heals upfrom her crash last round