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Must be the season for it, Scout leaders are going to become “Team Members” soon in a bid to improve the “volunteering experience“
This crap is another sign we’ve surpassed peak civilisation.
I knew a female FC RANGER once. She was proud of her job title.
Although she was called Sid 🤨🤣🤣🤣
If anyone mentions a Focus Group, there are two options available:
1. Run for the hills.
2. Smack them squarely in the chops - then run for the hills.
Although it does try and suggest they are talking about reducing the number of rolls
Certainly seems like a barmy decision.
From Oxford English Dictionary...
1. a keeper of a park, forest, or area of countryside. "park rangers"
2. a member of a body of armed men. a mounted soldier. US a commando.
3.BRITISH a member of the senior branch of the Guides.
4. a person or thing that wanders over a particular area."rangers of the mountains"
So 1 and 4 are gender neutral, 2 is male, 3 suggests female (although of course, they could be male).
So 1 and 4 are gender neutral, 2 is male, 3 suggests female (although of course, they could be male).
Error on your part.
Go back, make a chart out of it, take an average, finish with a spurious prediction.
Now, refer to yourself as a consultant and send Sustrans an invoice for £1000 for your time.
Is this one of the few STW threads where consensus* is immediately reached?
*I mean, people are still arguing but there doesn't seem to be any actual disagreement so I count that as STW's version of consensus
Is this one of the few STW threads where consensus* is immediately reached?
*I mean, people are still arguing but there doesn’t seem to be any actual disagreement so I count that as STW’s version of consensus
Yeah, but there could be more mileage in it yet. Probable options are:
1. One of STW's professional contrarians finds a way to pull it off topic to start a ruck that is only loosely connected to the original.
2. Two previous adversaries join the party late, recognise each other, and start a slanging match.
Until then, kettle on...
As above, Rangers is what the Guides call what used to be the Senior Section, ie. age 14-18.
People from certain parts of Glasgow might be uncomfortable with being called a Ranger...
but there doesn’t seem to be any actual disagreement
well, you've rocked up now, so y'know, give it time.
Here we go...
BruceWee Vs nickc.
Seconds out, round one!
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1. One of STW’s professional contrarians finds a way to pull it off topic to start a ruck that is only loosely connected to the original.
to be fair I did try a sectarian angle on the previous page. I mean the term Ranger could be seen as exclusionary to Celtic fans. Or was that last century?
Maybe they are offended because they are catholic and got the wrong end of the stick?
Edit..too late
to be fair I did try a sectarian angle on the previous page.
Yes, but it didn't 'take' for some reason.
But, never mind, BruceWee and nickc are circling each other cautiously looking for an opening now.
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Seconds out, round one!
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Is this only round one? Feels like it's been going on at least as long as the Rocky films. 😀
If the word Ranger makes you feel uncomfortable then dont ****ing volunteer to become one ffs
Yes, but it didn’t ‘take’ for some reason.
the technical term is "plopped" 🙁
This is like one of those Daily Mail comment trains after it publishes an article of which 50% of the text is the headline and subhead i.e. "Say Neigh! FURY when woke teacher union wants to ban kids from reading Black Beauty (and you won't believe which Afghan imam proposed it!)"...
...and, in fact, no-one has ever suggested banning Black Beauty, ever, anywhere.
I mean the term Ranger could be seen as exclusionary to Celtic fans.
Not sure that "volunteer" is much better...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Volunteers
Gender free until you attach one to some nouns:
Doctor
Dentist
Driver
Teacher
Sponsor
Pilot
Convict
Nurse
Councillor
First Minister
Patron
Ranger
You are what you think.
Postman.
Pat(ricia).
Now I am confused.
1. One of STW’s professional contrarians finds a way to pull it off topic to start a ruck that is only loosely connected to the original.
2. Two previous adversaries join the party late, recognise each other, and start a slanging match.
Until then, kettle on…
Yeah, where are TJ and ernie? I thought they did all the work round here?
Gender free until you attach one to some nouns
Engineer?
Consultant?
IT Geek?
Yeah, where are TJ and ernie? I thought they did all the work round here?
Playing Brexit Whack-A-Mole, I think.
TJ popping up everywhere making his point about Starmer being a frothing brexiteer akin to Nigel Farage.
Then Ernie, desperately trying to reconcile his need to be a Brexit apologist with just wanting the thread to slip to page 2 of the forum homepage by not posting.
It's a tricky time for them both.
FFS read the sustrans page. It's got nothing to do with gender. It's to do with giving people titles that reflect what they do so it's clearer for others to understand the role. The OP bringing gender into it has sent us down an unnecessary rabbit hole based on their own incorrect interpretation of what has happened.
Still, it's a crap new job title.
These changes are a part of our learning journey to improve volunteering diversity and inclusion. We want to remove unconscious bias in our volunteering language, which titles can also have.
🤮 🤮
When will the tide turn and organisations realise that for every easily offended Karen they appeal to with this junk they annoy ten sensible people.
@Blackflag on the whole, I agree with you but the statement about why they've dropped the Ranger tag then goes on about inclusion, diversity and unconscious bias which rather leaves me confused. What's not inclusive or diverse about the word Ranger?
FFS read the sustrans page. It’s got nothing to do with gender. It’s to do with giving people titles that reflect what they do so it’s clearer for others to understand the role. The OP bringing gender into it has sent us down an unnecessary rabbit hole based on their own incorrect interpretation of what has happened.
Still, it’s a crap new job title.
I'm with Blackflag on this - did anyone read the Sustrans link that the OP DIDN'T include? The word "Ranger" appears once in the list of old titles, and absolutely no reference to it otherwise.
Thread about nothing.
The OP references a meeting no?
Presumably you guys saying it’s a storm in a teacup were there too?? 🤣
Or are you asserting your privilege to appropriate the OP’s bee from his bonnet?
They lost me at "learning journey" 🤮
Why would Ranger (a gender neutral word) make you feel uncomfortable? It's illogical. It's just a whim that has been given artificial weight.
This is going to come as a shock to fans of Queen’s Park Paths for All Volunteers.
Is this the same Sustrans that put their name to closing the Forth & Clyde canal path during the Easter holidays with zero advance warning, and putting in place a diversion that required cyclists to leave the traffic-free route and join Maryhill Road, before being required to stop in the centre of the road and turn right into the access road for McDonalds - useless shower of ****s!
Back in the room, some comments on here didn't seem to get the gist . We were told that some women felt uncomfortable with the word , we weren't told about the link to the deckchair shuffling advice .
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the dilemma that Tonto would have found himself in when addressing Kemo Sabbe 😁😁😁😁and one friend really impressed me by saying it's perfect for SusTRANS 😁😁😁😁
Had a friend who ran a business called the "Island Ranger" on Anglesey - she used to run adventure holidays for kids. Orienteering, horse riding, obstacle courses etc. etc.
She was great. Maybe these people object to the fact she was a lesbian?
She was great. Maybe these people object to the fact she was a lesbian?
If you're desperate to make a point you'll object to anything to get that point onto the agenda.
For science I’m going to try calling the missus a Ranger in various scenarios and see which ones (if any) she objects to 💡
Any chance of a brew Ranger?
What’s for tea Ranger?
Is it time of the month you grumpy old Ranger?
Oi Ranger, get your baps out!
Whilst you’re down there Ranger!
Get back in the kitchen where you belong Ranger!
That’s my Yorkie- they’re not for Rangers!!
Would you like me to park the car for you Ranger?
You know, seeing it written down like that, I think SusLGBTransQA+ were right 😔
^^^^
FWIW, I reckon you'll get a definite test result from your experiment.
If we're to infer anything here it is that a kick in the balls is the result of referring to a person as a Ranger.
I fear the experiment may not have had its dependent and independent variables set correctly, but I'm willing to let that slide - just to hear how you get on. 👍
It's just a name for a role although Rangering itself has split out into a multitude of different strands. In terms of people doing the role there might be a noticeable gender split with the more practical estates based skills towards men and engagement and community roles towards women. On the whole constantly re-balancing and a long way from the old male dominated world were a lot of rangers were wardens. To me it feels like a decent and increasing number senior ranger roles are now held by women. Still terrible ethnic diversity.
Paths for Everyone always feels like an appropriation of Paths for All.
Turns out Ranger's have a strong right-hook and quite the French vocabulary! 😵💫 🤕
At least it's warm in the shed tonight.
Beware of Ranger-Danger kids! 👊🏻
I'd quite fancy myself as one of the Path Ranger Alternative Terms Supervisors when I retire.
the statement about why they’ve dropped the Ranger tag then goes on about inclusion, diversity and unconscious bias which rather leaves me confused. What’s not inclusive or diverse about the word Ranger?
Job descriptions can use superficially gender-neutral terms that have widely-understood gendered meaning.
https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/evidence-gendered-wording-job-advertisements-exists-and-sustains-gender-inequality
Playing Brexit Whack-A-Mole, I think.
Looking forward to someone suggesting that as this happened in Scotland, most people just don't understand the different context.
More importantly, does anyone think the word wanger is sexist?
There’s no ranger without anger. It’s not gendered but the sectarian resonances need carefully to be considered…
So whut yer sayin is it wus the tims? Sayin we cannae huv the Rangers!
EDIT: ffs, bindun.
I've just sent a strongly worded email to QPR football club.
I'll update once I get a reply.
Anyone in Scotland want to tackle that big blue club up there feel free....that's out of my durastiction