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@chakaping I'd tend to agree, Longden cam across very odd and defensive. The long silence was a big **** you to Saracen, which was ace.
Dad and Wife should wind their necks in, they are fishing for a reaction and stirring the pot which isn't a bright idea. Yes they may be aggrieved, but should be keeping it quiet, be professional about it.
Anyone remember what the deal was with Dave Garland, Danny's old mechanic? Did he ever work at Saracen? He's using his mate Scott, who in his own right is a damn good rider and so far a very good mechanic.
“the future looks bright” (direct quote!).
Sunn??? No duh bike listed on their site though
Dad on the insta story saying ‘the team management are out of their depth with a rider of Danny’s caliber and would be better racing the British Domestic Series’
Everyone else (somewhat ironically) criticising the teams professionalism and lack of respect for Danny (and assumedly, those around him), as if they are reading from the same script.
Clearly the player and/or his management think they are bigger than the team. If that’s the case, they are right to get rid.
“the future looks bright” (direct quote!).
Sunn??? No duh bike listed on their site though
A combination of Will's mannerism, the fact he said it 'blew up', but didn't calm it down at all spoke volumes.
Then Danny's long silence with nod said a lot.
The futures bright quote may just be him playing, but might he become an Orange Endura Hazzard Hart racing team...?
@pjay orange were the headline sponsor of the dirt team for a couple of years before they switched to propain.
4 days ago Orange did a FB post about how Tracey Hannah was the only DH world Champ they'd had. The post finished saying one day they might have another go but no immediate plans.
The future might be bright but I'm not sure it's orange.
I cannot hear Danny Hart without thinking of Vic and Bob doing Donald and Davey Stott, Doing the Dock of the Bay pastiche.
Haven’t been able to find a good photo (and can’t be bothered going through footage) but I’ve been told Danny was using a floating brake at the weekend. That wouldn’t bode very well for a trip to Orange if he’s just convinced Saracen to fit one
orange were the headline sponsor of the dirt team for a couple of years before they switched to propain.
Sorry to nitpick but not a factory team, as far as I understand
Same with Mojo orange - Dan stanbridge and our very own Ben cathro and was it Fergus lamb? A quick roots n rain will clear it up but CBA
Of course he's not going to Orange.
Though it's still more likely than Atherton bikes, which loads of people were suggesting.
I tend to find that the sort of people who flare up about how hard done by they are on twitter, without giving any details at all and at the same time looking like they're trying to start a fight, are usually people who feel hard done by when actually they behave like idiots and so bad things happen to them. And I suspect Danny's dad is one of them, and it's probably why Danny isn't on the team anymore
Will Longden has been running DH teams since I was at school and I don't remember hearing anything about his management before, while I've heard an awful lot about Danny's dad and bits and pieces about Danny himself.
Haven’t been able to find a good photo (and can’t be bothered going through footage) but I’ve been told Danny was using a floating brake at the weekend
The comments about the floating brake arm refer to a rough bit of alloy cobbled together ages ago. It was one on the first changes he made to the bike but also can't be arsed to look it up.
I can't see him riding whatever donkey Orange are calling a DH bike these days. He's already signed a contract but we won't find out until 2021 barring anymore untimely outbursts.
Current best guess is solo venture on Mondraker frames I reckon.
The comments about the floating brake arm refer to a rough bit of alloy cobbled together ages ago
The comment came from a mate watching one of the Vital RAW videos over the weekend.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but hasn't he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
What’s the deal with his dad? Just defending his son or genuinely a nasty chap to other bikers? I don’t see anything wrong with the sign outside his house, I’d be happy if my son was that good at something. He’ll find a sponsor easily, one of the worlds best bike riders without a sponsor, behave. Would like to see him with Pagey and Hill on nukeproof.
Maybe I’m misremembering, but hasn’t he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
He was world champ with Mondraker, not with Saracen...
What’s the deal with his dad
Well known bellend on the DH scene. Charlie big potatoes, do you know who I am type. Rude, arrogant etc.
Looks like a lovely fella on his Facebook profile too.
Mondraker was his career highlight, that incredible run of wins in 2016.
Go back to Mondraker then him and Greenland would make a great double act. Laurie and Harty.
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Free MemberWhat’s the deal with his dad? Just defending his son or genuinely a nasty chap to other bikers?
You know how absolutely everyone likes Danny? For reasons of balance, absolutely everyone thinks his dad's a ****er. Funny what Boardinbob said, he's literally one of the two people that have ever said "Do you know who I am" to me in my life. And the other one was Andrew Morton so, there's your benchmark.
And the other one was Andrew Morton so, there’s your benchmark.
Oh, I was hoping it was going to be Ronnie Pickering.
The comment came from a mate watching one of the Vital RAW videos over the weekend.
Yeah but it didn't just pop up at the Worlds he's been using it for ages. I went and found a picture from the start of last year...
Maybe I’m misremembering, but hasn’t he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
He left Mondraker with a 3 in a row winning streak in 2016 and won his second World Championship. He's been mostly blocked out by Frenchies since then apart from the last round in 2019.
Looks like a lovely fella on his Facebook profile too
Just had a look.
His posts follow a few main themes:
Racism. Covid is a conspiracy. Sexism.
An absolute cretin of a man
Oh, I was hoping it was going to be Ronnie Pickering
Who?
he’s literally one of the two people that have ever said “Do you know who I am” to me in my life.
I've always wanted someone to pull that one so I could start loudly asking bystanders whether they knew who this bloke was, as he seemed to have forgotten.
I think it was a big shock to him, it shows when you watch Wyn TV and that interview...
Wherever he goes he’s bound to kill it anyway, I agree with those saying he could see how he gets on on the Commencal bike, can’t see him moving to Atherton as reckon they’ll still want to keep it a family affair for a bit longer.
Who knows!!
His old man is a prize bellend, tried the "do you know who I am" trick with me to try blag merch at Fort Bill. Didn't like it when I said "yeah you're Danny Harts dad do you'll know he can wear this due to his sponsor obligations" 😂😂😂😂
In all seriousness, yes Danny is a great racer with the results to back it up. Is he the epitome of what a modern sponsored rider needs to be? I'm not quite sure. Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he's as "valuable" as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he's less valuable as a commodity.
andyrm
Free MemberHis old man is a prize bellend, tried the “do you know who I am” trick with me to try blag merch at Fort Bill. Didn’t like it when I said “yeah you’re Danny Harts dad do you’ll know he can wear this due to his sponsor obligations” 😂😂😂😂
This is ace. Sort of similar for me, I was marshalling and he wouldn't get behind the tape, stage was live. "Do you know who I am" "Yes, you're Danny's dad and you should bloody know better".
Thought of better responses later obviously but that wasn't too bad.Well, OK, mainly, I just wanted to say the same thing but end it "Now, **** off" like Brick Top.
oooh - we need more of these stories. I've got some extra-nice biscuits in that have been waiting for an occasion!
This is ace. Sort of similar for me, I was marshalling and he wouldn’t get behind the tape, stage was live. “Do you know who I am” “Yes, you’re Danny’s dad and you should bloody know better”.
Clearly the man has form, he did the same to a female marshal at a BDS & threatened her as well. He's all class.
Well, a few years ago when the BDS was a big deal and Danny hadn't yet blown up on the WC, every time there was a race Danny would be at the venue the week before on the uplifts. Fair enough, he's just getting as much track time as possible.
Uplift days can get pretty busy and you might find yourself standing in line or missing the occasional lift and completing less runs than normal. Unless you've got a visibly frustrated Paul Hart counting your runs. He marched over to a full uplift trailer and started removing the bikes of paying punters and trying to replace them with Danny's. Cue lots of angry shouting, threats of violence and the immortal sentence "Do you know who my son is?" screamed at full volume.
I don't like sharing dirty laundry but this was witnessed by dozens of people so it's fair game. I once saw the toys get thrown right out of the pram at Fatcats Motorparc but that was a more private display of impotent fury.
Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he’s as “valuable” as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he’s less valuable as a commodity.
I'd not heard of Danny's dad being a weapon till this thread, I guess to your average punter who watches the races and other coverage you dont hear these things.
Thought of better responses later obviously but that wasn’t too <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">bad.Well</span>, OK, mainly, I just wanted to say the same thing but end it “Now, **** off” like Brick Top.
Put your Dad on a lead, will ya?
I’d not heard of Danny’s dad being a weapon till this thread
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Always seemed like a nice bloke to me.
Whereas is FB output paints a picture of an Angry man unused to not getting his own way, and prone to blaming others for his own misfortune.
Just had a look at his FB profile. He shared of Katie Hopkins, "telling how it is" need we say anymore? His FB profile matches what I have heard about him and what people on here are saying. I have no idea if Danny is also like that.
Doesn't take away from the fact Danny is a joy to watch on a bike.
Andyrm's comment is spot on: In all seriousness, yes Danny is a great racer with the results to back it up. Is he the epitome of what a modern sponsored rider needs to be? I’m not quite sure. Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he’s as “valuable” as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he’s less valuable as a commodity.
This is how a business sees its riders. Social media sells bikes probably more than race results. Anything that can negatively affect Socail media will be a massive turnoff.
Folk who say racism doesn’t exist in MTB would do well to look at his (Danny’s dad) FB page.
oooh – we need more of these stories. I’ve got some extra-nice biscuits in that have been waiting for an occasion!
He once tried to get my mate and I to fight him in a pub car park in Leogang because he didn't like the way we moderated the Descent-World forum in the early 2000's.
I don't recall what witty retort my mate had for him though the whole argument ended with a hug so I perhaps shouldn't be too unkind since technically we have agreed to let bygones be bygones.
Folk who say racism doesn’t exist in MTB would do well to look at his (Danny’s dad) FB page.
It's spectacularly grim. I mean it's exclusively a non stop diatribe of hate and anger.
There is a series, might have been on RedBull TV, where they spent time with different DH racers and their teams / support / family.
Danny was featured and he came across ok, it also had a fair bit of his dad who was saying stuff like (and I paraphrase from memory) Danny doesn’t have much else going for him other than DH; I told him you turn up to win or else what’s the point; and so on.
His dad had positioned himself as Dannys management, but rather than looking out for Danny he came across as controlling and living his own dreams by proxy. It stood out to me as I kept thinking wow that’s your son you are talking about! It didn't seem healthy.
I don't want to give this Gammon King any credit but arguably you need a pushy parent to get to the the top. In Danny's case he's been racing from a very young age and it might be the case that this gave him an edge. I don't know. But a less hands on parent wouldn't have been driving him to race venues all over the country.
But there's plenty of proactive parents who aren't complete arseholes I guess
The DH scene is so friendly and fraternal that anyone who's a prick will immediately stand out
Anyway, I'm dying to see where he's going. I hope we don't have to wait until next year.
Maybe he'll do an Atherton and be racing on 'Paul Hart' bikes next year? :)))))))
His dad had positioned himself as Dannys management, but rather than looking out for Danny he came across as controlling and living his own dreams by proxy.
It stood out as that when I saw Danny first turning up at DH races at 12 years old (iirc)