[Closed] Carbon 456 - anyone got theirs yet?

My TI456 weighs in at 23.8lb

Your scales need calibrating.

paulrockliffe - Member

I weighed my build in a 28lbs

28lbs for a carbon bike?! Jeez, I'd be quite disappointed at that.

My TI456 weighs in at 23.8lb and is deff stronger than those horrible plastic/brittle things!

My Ti Zion with 80mm Fox Floats, Hope XC/X717 wheels, Speed King 2.1's, Hayes Stroker Carbon/Ti brakes and an XT/XTR and Ritchey build kit is 25lbs on my scales, so 23.8lb for the bike pictured seems a little on the unlikely side.

that ti one above is no waaay 23 lbs....sorry
thats 25lbs at least

Here you go TK

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removing the right fork leg is cheating

28lb? For a race bike that's pointless.

28lbs for a carbon bike?! Jeez, I'd be quite disappointed at that.

The frame's 3 (and a bit) lb so it's got (just under) 25lb of 'stuff' on it. I don't know the details but I'd say it was either build sturdy or economically (or a bit of both). Either way, if the owner wants it lighter there's plenty to go at. Actually (having just read up the page) I suspect it's just down to the bathroom scales.

Well having come from a steel 456 and having borrowed a Ti one at the weekend, I'd say it rides [b]just[/b] like a 456 but lighter and with a hint of impish naughtiness.

Here's mine (steerer, spacers and a few other bits are WIP)...

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I like it. I guess carbon bikes are supposed to be whippet-like and graceful. The 456 carbon looks 'ard as funk .

Needs some teeth painted on

That's the nicest one I've seen yet. How does it ride?

yeah i like them-I'd give them awhile for any possible strength/durability issue's to surface but would consider one.

this has probably been asked before but why run a tapered headtube?

1.125 I understand.
1.5 I understand.

but why mix the two when you can't buy forks with tapered steerers (AFAIK). In other words, you can't run the frame as designed because the forks don't exist - unless they do and I just haven't seen any of course.

I understand the concept and it's fine on roadies as the forks exist.

Are they waiting for the fork manufacturers to catch up?

sorry that frame looks like it comes from Tesco....

CRC are selling some Fox forks with tapered steerer

Needs some teeth painted on

+1

That's the nicest one I've seen yet. How does it ride?

It's going for a spin round Hayfield tomorrow so I'll be able to give a more considered opinion then.

tk46hal - Member
My TI456 weighs in at 23.8lb and is deff stronger than those horrible plastic/brittle things!

I'm always impressed at riders who have gone to the effort to either do a full stress analysis or done a destructive test on a frame so that they can make this kind of definitive statement 🙄

Second the teeth: something like a Kittyhawk paintjob would look ace on the toptube/downtube intersection.

Higgo, I'm sorry mate....

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Those frames are an aesthetic nightmare, and they look unfinished!

yeah i like them-I'd give them awhile for any possible strength/durability issue's to surface but would consider one.

It will more than likely be stronger than most frames on the market seeing as it's CEN rated. You will have a hard time breaking one.

I'm not sure On-One have ever gone for the beauty card, just honest hard working bikes.

I do have 2 456's an original "that blue" one & a Ti one (the very one Hig's borrowed the other weekend) neither is a pretty bike but hell neither am I 😉
So far I agree with some others that its the best one I've seen so far but I would say that as I sold Hig's the Forks & Brakes 😛

Oh and just for the record the steel one weighs 30.4lbs with Air Pikes, DT 5.1 rims & a mongrel mix of Hone & X7 and Hope.
The Ti one is 26.3lbs also with air Pikes but mostly XTR carbon kit & Dt 4.2 rims

How are the carbon ones fairing? No probs so far? 'Kinda' interested but how close in weight is it to a steel 456 (I have a 16")

[i]but why mix the two when you can't buy forks with tapered steerers (AFAIK)[/i]

You can buy forks with tapered steerers, and it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. 1.5 at the bottom where it's needed and 1.125 at the top where you don't, less weight than 1.5 more or less same strength. Actually a new 'standard' that works.

How are the carbon ones fairing? No probs so far?

What were you expecting?

It's going for a spin round Hayfield tomorrow so I'll be able to give a more considered opinion then.

I like it a lot.
It really is like riding the steel one but betterer both up and down. Climbing, it's really just a weight thing. It's lighter so it's easier to ride up hill and pop the front over stuff on the trail. Downhill it sort of gives you the choice of dealing with trail objects (rocks, roots, etc) or playing with them.

[i] Climbing, it's really just a weight thing. It's lighter so it's easier to ride up hill and pop the front over stuff on the trail.[/i]

We've dealt with this before on STW, weight (or lack of) makes no difference at all. 😉

OK - must've been imagining it.
As long as I keep imagining it, I'm happy.

Climbing, it's really just a weight thing. It's lighter so it's easier to ride up hill and pop the front over stuff on the trail.

[u]We've dealt with this before on STW, weight (or lack of) makes no difference at all. [/u]

Some people do talk S**T 🙄

b r - Member
Climbing, it's really just a weight thing. It's lighter so it's easier to ride up hill and pop the front over stuff on the trail.

We've dealt with this before on STW, weight (or lack of) makes no difference at all.

What!!! Utter bollicks. Did you go to school? [b]NO diffference at all?[/b] That's a bold statement! 😆

So if I gave you a bike weighing say, a) 200lb and another weighing b) 20lb, which one could ride up a very big hill easiest? You could call bike a) a 'tandem' and the stokers fallen asleep... wouldn't be much fun going down either!

What colour is your hair?

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What were you expecting?

Crack? I BET I could break one (without throwing/dropping it down a trail etc)

thebikechain - Member

yeah i like them-I'd give them awhile for any possible strength/durability issue's to surface but would consider one.

It will more than likely be stronger than most frames on the market seeing as it's CEN rated. You will have a hard time breaking one.

possibly any issue's with the dropout area/inserts rather than the CEN burly front end.

We've dealt with this before on STW, weight (or lack of) makes no difference at all.

Some people do talk S**T

What!!! Utter bollicks. Did you go to school? NO diffference at all? That's a bold statement!

It was a bold statement with one of these ---> 😉 after it. I got it. But then I 'get' the rugged beauty of the carbon 456 so I'm probably a bit cleverer than most.
Here comes another .... 😉

[i]Some people do talk S**T [/i]

Obviously you've never seen my posts' on weight... IT WAS SARCASM.

I ride a 456Ti and am gutted that the 456C is lighter for the same strength, nevermind its half-price!

My build is earlier in the thread if you want a look. I'm running 2009 Thors and Syncros bits that are pretty light, but the wheels and tyres are heavier than they could be and the cassette is Deore, so some excess in there. Running 203mm + 180mm Magura floating rotors, which are very heavy and Louise brakes, whihc I think are relatively heavy?

Anyway, when I weighed it I had thought it might have been lighter, but I don't know how accurate the scales are, or really how much people bullshit on weights, so not sure what it should be.

I wasn't disappointed as it's built for the riding I do, not down to an arbitrary weight point. Besides, I've been riding about on a 38lb Bullit for the last year or so, so it feels light to me and flies up the hills. If I wanted light I would have weighted for the sub 1kg Whippet frame.

Oh, on the tapered headtube thing; you tend to have a bigger downtube than top tube these days, presumably for strength to weight considerations, running a larger bottom race probably optimises the downtube design, but there isn't the same benefit at the top. Would look a bit ugly with a skinny top-tube on the 1.5" standar I reckon.

How much does the carbon one weigh? Question- I prefer a steel 16" however Im worried that the seatpost length that I'd normally use wouldnt be suitable on the carbon material?

How much does the carbon one weigh?

Question - I prefer a steel 16" however Im worried that the seatpost length that I'd normally use wouldnt be suitable on the carbon material?

If your question is "is there a limit on seatpost length for this frame?" then I don't think there is. 456s typically are run with a lot of post showing (I tend to buy 400/410mm posts as 350mm ones are a bit close to the minimum insertion line for my liking). I cannot think of any engineering reason why you couldn't run the same seatpost in the carbon frame cf. steel.

Just got back from my 456's maiden voyage and have to say I love it. So much fun to ride, Accelerates really quickly and climbs superbly. Even took it over a few small jumps and drop offs and it hasn't exploded/broken into 16 pieces which is more than can be said for my Meta 5..

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Very tempted. I love my 456 but it is a bit of a lump. I don't really notice the weight much on the rides I do but I fancy a summer build project 8)

Any more thoughts on these frames from owners? Anyone done some longer rides on them?

I've got an urge to build up a new bike and am flitting between different frames - earlier in the week it was a Ti hardtail and today it's the carbon 456!

Any more thoughts on these frames from owners? Anyone done some longer rides on them?

(*thrashing is a relative term but I'll do my best)

Went out for the first test ride on mine yesterday night. amazingly solid feeling bike thought it would have a little bit of flex but not a thing. super quick in comparison to my FS and i loved every minute of riding it, even if my tyres were a little bit on the flat side 😀

Oh i rode a trail with a set of around 20 steps and did a fair few bunny hops etc and its still in 1 piece . 😉

Good stuff, thanks chaps. It seems to be all good news for these frames at the moment.