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flow - MemberIm not saying you will find it there, but thats what they have done.
Ah- so catalogues exist, therefore, this must be in a catalogue? To prove it, here is a link to a catalogue which doesn't have this frame in.
I have to say, you're not very good at this.
Theyr'e pretty much all built the using the formula from taiwan ,its just got On Ones geometry which is like it or hate it or just accept it.Believe the On One marketing if you want at least your not paying a premium for it.
Flow - you're talking shit, stop it.
OP - The frame is awesome, you won't find better for the money. It looks shit if you build it up with skinny forks, xc kit and skinny tyres. So don't. Put Lyrics, short stem, wide bars and Rubber Queens on and it'll look awesome. I've got quite a few bikes and this is one of the cheapest and one of my favourites.
I must be very tight because i consider £400 on a hardtail frame to be expensive...if i was going to take a punt on carbon i'd get one of these:
£169 + £45 postage
I've never seen a cheap Chinese frame on ebay with the kind of geometry On One sell. Its all 71/73 old fashioned XC angles and certainly not even close to the kind of angles on the 456. And I doubt many of them can take a big fork etc etc.
R&D for a hardtail ain't all that when the Taiwanese factory already has the tech and the labour. If it was the exclusive domain of the big boys why are there so many niche frame builders out there?
Is it just me who's left with a mental image of flow spending the night searching Chinese carbon catalogues on his phone for a frame with on-one geometry and dropouts just so he can 'prove' that c456's weren't designed by on-one who had specific moulds made up to build them?
People will point and laugh at its ugliness.
I imagine Flow was to busy frothing at the mouth and maniacally hand-wringing to search for [i]anything..[/i]
You would be wrong then, I dont care, I didnt buy one. Northwind however, I recon he might be halfway through by now.
I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.
it's imbecilic. Imagine getting up at the morning for a ride and seeing that in the garage - you'd go back to bed
This made me chuckle. 🙂
It's a pretty "striking" bike, that's for sure...
(OK, when I take it to fort william it's getting bigger wheels and tougher tyres!)
When you do this please post the date you're going or drop me a line, I'd like to make sure I'm there to watch. Thanks.
I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.
Yes you do need to prove it, becasue we all know you're talking bollox, and we all want to see you keep tripping yourself up time after time.....
And I can imagine Brant isn't really that bothered about proving you wrong being as you're the only one with this delusion....
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Stop making a prat of yourself flow.
And Houns, the one link of yours I clicked on had a 71deg head angle. Did you find any with similar geometry to the C456 or were you just looking for carbon hardtails? If so I don't know what you think you're proved.
You fools believe what you want and keep riding your cheap chinese knock offs 😆
Just wondering, are these 'far East' frames the same as 'far East' car tyres that look just like some modern tyre designs and appear to have aggressive, sporty tread patterns but are in fact utter cak in use??
if anyone can show me a knock off carbon frame that can take 160 mm forks i'd be interested...
(OK, when I take it to fort william it's getting bigger wheels and tougher tyres!)When you do this please post the date you're going or drop me a line, I'd like to make sure I'm there to watch. Thanks.
taking a c456 to fort bill doesn't sound even the slightest bit unreasonable to me.. there's plenty of evidence of people (real men)downhilling hardtails.. and I'm sure I've seen enough photographic and anecdotal evidence of people downhilling on steel 456s.. why would the c456 which has undergone the same rigorous CEN testing fair any worse..?
And I can imagine Brant isn't really that bothered about proving you wrong being as you're the only one with this delusion....
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the frames will be sold to other direct sales companies the world over.
they aren't.
[i]Just wondering, are these 'far East' frames the same as 'far East' car tyres[/i]
Errr, no.
The vast majority of carbon frames are made in the Far East.
I found the other day that for Biancchi etc to put 'Made in Italy' on their frames they have to add at least 50% to the value of the frame on Italian soil. So they buy their frames 'raw' from China and have them sprayed in Italy. They argue that spraying the name of the brand on the frame increases it's value by more than 50% so they can then put the sticker on it.
On-One/P-X have never made any pretence of doing anything other than designing stuff in the UK and having it manufactured in the Far East. They do this well and order sufficient volume to keep prices down and allow them to afford to be able to have specific jigs and moulds made where necessary.
To suggest they are rebadging 'off the shelf' frames is, I think, really poor - they may not always make frames that everyone likes but they are doign it honestly.
They're now specialising in bulk spot buying which is great for buyers but IMHO don't try and make your business bigger until you've satisfied the customers got/lost.
Thank you for noting our recent move to daily deals. I claim it was Jules' idea, but he says it was mine. I think he got it off Mike at Sports Direct.
The good thing about Daily Deals is that it isn't the only thing you can concentrate on, and believe me, comments about our showroom's shortfalls are taken VERY seriously. We've improved manpower in there, are continuing to do so.
I still haven't got a C456, even with the new headset, but I'm only riding my El Guapo right now, even though some bloke on mtbr says that its awful - http://forums.mtbr.com/8375009-post12.html
I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.
of course not you just need to make broad sweeping statements about the design of a bike and how it was created. Once you have done this only a moron would expect you , of all people, to actually have some evidence of it being factually accurate. In fact the reasonable thing when you make an outrageous claim is to just ask someone to disprove it
Do you want Brant to deny that Elvis deigned it as well? On - one did not fake the moon landings?
You are a very good troll though.
Carbon frames are mostly made in CHINA.
This is because, though it's very technical, in terms of material, the majority of the actual process to make a frame is quite low tech. It's a bit like stuffing envelopes or making christmas crackers at your dining table.
China has lower cost for manual labour. That's the long and short of it - so that's where the carbon manufacturing industry is concentrated.
I thought you found the idea of carbon frames a bit disgusting, brant 🙂
My mates selling his one over on BikeRadar
[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12797298 ]Carbon 456[/url]
Any reason not to?
It's plastic - and plastic frames just will not do for me. It's not right, I tell you.
Oh, and they are very ugly as others have mentioned. Ugly as sin.
I thought you found the idea of carbon frames a bit disgusting, brant
I think I said they "had no soul" didn't I?
They are very disarming in a "light" and "strong" and "tough" way. A bit like the weird kid in the corner at school.
Looks shouldn't matter, if the performance is right.
I was still saying that when I decided against the C456 and paid an extra £81 for a Soul.
You fools believe what you want and keep riding your cheap chinese knock offs
Gee thanks. Now I've got permission I'll carry on enjoying my 2 On Ones. I thought I was going to have to heave them in a skip for a while there....
What do you ride? Overpriced boutique frames knitted from fairy dust by a one legged Rastafarian Eskimo?
But looks do matter George, otherwise Brad Pitt wouldn't get near a script, would he? 😉
I'm pretty sure you said "disgusting" but I think that the intent was the same either way 😉
The Carbon 456 in human form
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You haven't changed much clubber.
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I got a bit taller, that's it.
Because you can't recycle it
Thank you for noting our recent move to daily deals. I claim it was Jules' idea, but he says it was mine. I think he got it off Mike at Sports Direct.The good thing about Daily Deals is that it isn't the only thing you can concentrate on, and believe me, comments about our showroom's shortfalls are taken VERY seriously. We've improved manpower in there, are continuing to do so.
I have just taken myself off the mailing list as I couldn't cope with the daily deals. Only a matter of time before I bought something I didn't need, just because it was cheap!
When can us short-arses get a 14 inch frame then please ?
When can us short-arses get a 14 inch frame then please ?
Just order one from one of Flow's catalogues for a fraction of the cost!
Yunki, take a deep breath and untwist your knickers.
taking a c456 to fort bill doesn't sound even the slightest bit unreasonable to me.. there's plenty of evidence of people (real men)downhilling hardtails.. and I'm sure I've seen enough photographic and anecdotal evidence of people downhilling on steel 456s.. why would the c456 which has undergone the same rigorous CEN testing fair any worse..?
I never said or mentioned unreasonable anywhere. You [i]thought[/i] I inferred it was unreasonable but that wasn't my point. I'm aware that 'real men' have ridden hardtails down fort william. I'd still like to watch NW ride his C456 down though. Interested to see if he rides it down in ernest like a bike should be ridden or if he slow-rolls it down winding in and out of every available smooth bit and avoiding the rough. Reading some of his posts NW sounds like he rides hard and/or as you would say like a 'real man' (ref a recent post I read about him surprising downhillers on an uplift at Inners on his hardtail) so the result might tell me a lot about the C456, which i'd maybe consider buying depending on how that turns out.
But looks do matter George, otherwise Brad Pitt wouldn't get near a script, would he?
Laugh all you want, Gary. I've carried the burden of Brad Pitt-like looks for years, and often struggled to be taken seriously as a result.
*cough*
From what I read getting a carbon frame to pass CEN is easy
Why so anti China and the Far East?
I don't think anyone complains that [url= http://www.mcconaghyboats.com/ ]these boats[/url] are made in China...
Yunki, take a deep breath and untwist your knickers.
sorry.. day three nicotine withdrawal and the blind unwavering faith that only an on-one owner can understand have left me itching for an argument after this thread..
knickers duly untwisted.. I'd like to see that day too for the exactly the same reasons.. video evidence would be ace
churz.. 🙂
This is an amusing thread indeed 🙂 They are butt ugly though.
Elvis designed the c456?
What I want to know is, will there be an aluminium version? Carbon/Ti weight for steel money?
16 stone, 6ft 5, 20" C456 with 32 Talas forks (this one as it happens, though its had a few bits added since then)
http://www.on-one.co.uk/readers-rides/your-ride/q/514111508_andy-lyle46_carbon-tara
I use it for everything from 8 hour adventure races to as close as I get to downhill to arsing about on the jumps at my local trails. And it works on them all so far.
Drop the forks to 4" and it climbs well and descends like a classic xc bike. Bang them out to 6" and it spills your pint and offers you out to the car park. Ok, not really, but it does encourage you to ride lika a hooligan, looking for drops and potential air time.
To answer the OP's question, if you like or dont care about the looks and dont have any of the fork compatability issues, then I can think of no reason why not.