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<div class="bbp-reply-content">A) i am quite capable of adjusting a strap .
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Your evidence suggests otherwise!
C) Bez – the so called creases are sweat and dirt marks, so you owe me a fiver.
Well, you're the first person I've come across who sweats in equidistant parallel lines.
They appear just as indentations from the buckle normally do: you can see how the weave of the mesh curves differently.
Where are the bits that have come off? There will be two separate straps so they'll both have 'ends' on them?
Bez – the so called creases are sweat and dirt marks, so you owe me a fiver.
Funny how it didn't rot if that's the case.
Dig it out of the bin OP. Take a photo of the complete helmet straps and all. Only way to tell whats going on and to vindicate your self 👍
This is amazing. Why can’t he put the buckle back on the straps?
I can’t work out what he thinks is wrong.
The only thing I wonder is if the adjustable buckle where the front and back straps join, usually at the ear, has moved and shortened the straps in a weird way?
A) i am quite capable of adjusting a strap .
B) I suggested it had rotted, because the only difference between this helmet and other helmets i have owned was the chin guard which was acting like a sweat sponge and the straps were soaking wet.
C) Bez – the so called creases are sweat and dirt marks, so you owe me a fiver.
A) You’ve thrown away a perfectly good helmet
B) You’ve thrown away a perfectly good helmet
C) You’ve thrown away a perfectly good helmet
😂👍
(edit- if you manage to get the fiver off Bez though, your a third of the way to replacing the perfectly good helmet you threw away 🤪)
My lawn has died and I own an On One.
The bastards.
This is amazing. Why can’t he put the buckle back on the straps?
I can’t work out what he thinks is wrong.
According to the OP (who is the only one to have seen and touched the helmet) the strap snapped at the joint with the buckle..
Maybe we're all getting this all wrong. Re-reading the thread title in the context of the thread, maybe the OP is imploring us to be wary of people who own On-One helmets 🙂
One in particular.
I’ve an old helmet strap that’s been supporting my rotary washing line for 3 years, come rain, come shine. Apart from fading somewhat, it’s still robust and functional. Maybe we need more acid rain for a proper comparison, but that strap has either been cut by a loony or maybe pulled through (same strap does both sides of helmet clip on my Giro lid)
Please get the helmet out of the bin OP and post pictures of it up on here?
Please get the helmet out of the bin OP and post pictures of it up on here?
Just be careful you don't cut your hand on the buckle...
My lawn has died
Are you sure it didn't get wet and the grass accidentally got cut off by a buckle?
thread title was quite prophetic
Glad I saw this thread, reminds me i have 2 on-one helmets sitting in my basket that i never got round to ordering.
Don’t do it davey! Have you learned nothing of the dangerous world of nylon and plastic from reading this thread. On your head be it (if the straps don’t break).
I've just been out to check my Saris Bones bike rack as it uses nylon straps and god forbid steel buckles but thankfully absolutely no evidence of wear. I think I'll take a punt on those lids for that price.
Yeah but you probably don't sweat much on your bike rack, and it's the sweat that rots the straps!
I'd like to nominate this as a Sticky thread so that when the English school holidays start, the kids can see how best to behave on this forum...this is classic school kids on holidays material!
Ah ok i get it. Thing is it's been on the car since last summer and through the winter it got caked in road salt regularly but maybe thats different. Thing is nylon is a pretty hardy material that's why they use it.
and it’s the sweat that rots the straps!
No. It really doesn't.
Check your irony detector 😉
Has the OP been back - or will this be like the incessant snow thread...
No. It really doesn’t.
I knew i should have added a 😉
Has the OP been back
I was assuming he's been trying to get online to respond but his mouse has sliced through his broadband cable.
I was assuming he’s been trying to get online to respond but his mouse has sliced through his broadband cable.
Fortunately my keyboard is wireless, otherwise the tea i just spat on it would have rotted through the connection and I wouldn't be able to congratulate Bez on this response.
I’ve just been out to check my Saris Bones bike rack as it uses nylon straps and god forbid steel buckles but thankfully absolutely no evidence of wear. I think I’ll take a punt on those lids for that price.
Steel or plastic shouldn't really make any difference, both are harder than nylon.
From the photo's I don't see how anyone can say what happened... except that it's not sweat but that doesn't mean the straps didn't get cut over time by a sharp edge to the clip...
I've no idea what the differences are between the same shell from Fox and the same shell from on-one or anyone else.. but assuming the helmet is the same shell I wouldn't be at all surprised if the cheaper copies used cheaper plastic clips and that some might just have sharp edges from the moulding.
As a parallel....
I just picked up one of the SJ CAM's from Amazon... at £30 the stuff that comes with it would cost more if it was genuine GoPro... but the plastic mouldings and such are of far inferior quality and QA. There is a cute little clip/stand with inserts for a tripod adapter top and bottom... the top one is a bit unusable as you then can't get to the buttons and the bottom one hasn't been threaded properly... but been inserted anyway. The actual part SDCAM make (the camera) is excellent for the price... however the screws don't work as well, the non waterproof clip has an issue etc. otherwise its probably better than a GoProX (whatever old version that is) except the peripheral/extra bits
Of course the dodgy screws and missing thread are not protecting my head...
I'm sure if you bought 100 out of those you'd find similar QA issues in way more than official but 10x the price GoPro... so I wouldn't be surprised to see the same with helmet "additions"....
From the photo’s I don’t see how anyone can say what happened…
I’d say it’s fairly obvious.
The clip came off the end of the strap, which had frayed a bit, leading the op to believe something catastrophic had happened, and he jerked his knee all the way to the bin and then to the keyboard.
Sadly it was bin day, so he couldn’t get his perfectly good helmet back.
And its even more obvious what didn’t happen. (All the stuff the op said had happened)
OP, was there a little rubber O-ring anywhere when your strap and buckle separated?
There's normally one fitted these days on most lids as a measure to help stop the straps loosening...
Steel or plastic shouldn’t really make any difference, both are harder than nylon.
Although it's highly likely that the buckle is nylon 🙂
(Different forms, of course. The webbing fibres will have a hardness of around 30D and the buckle around 80D.)
The OP also forgot other solutions are available:
I’d say it’s fairly obvious.
The clip came off the end of the strap, which had frayed a bit, leading the op to believe something catastrophic had happened, and he jerked his knee all the way to the bin and then to the keyboard.
I don't see how the clip can come off the end in use.... if the helmet is remotely the right size ...???
All my helmets either have straps where the end is folded and stitched down (and can't come off) or has 2-3" of extra strap .. with the ear parts adjusted ... even when I wear a helmet a bit too small (I once packed the kids helmet which I can just squeeze into at maximum adjustment) there is so much strap it can't come off in actual use (as opposed to playing out with the helmet off).
All my helmets either have straps where the end is folded and stitched down (and can’t come off) or has 2-3″ of extra strap
Cool story. Was this one of your helmets ?
(If it was, it’s in the bin now) 😂👍
I don’t see how the clip can come off the end in use…. if the helmet is remotely the right size …???
Over time the straps seem to 'migrate' on many helmets. I regularly see people with the 'join' between front and back strap which is usually correctly sitting just below ear level, moved to under the chin. This means much more strap is used, so meaning you can get the clip having to be moved down towards the ends.
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yeah the title can be changed to
Beware riders with a learning disability
and remember there are mentally vulnerable riders out there.
All my helmets either have straps where the end is folded and stitched down (and can’t come off) or has 2-3″ of extra strap
It's clear from the helmet on the left in the picture below that the straps don't have folded and sewn ends. (It's harder to determine whether the ends are melted to prevent fraying.) However, there does seem to be a decent amount of strap (a little more than the length of the chin pad) beyond the buckle, which isn't surprising: a helmet shouldn't be near the limit of the straps when fitted, for obvious reasons.
Referring back to the OP's picture, note that although there are marks/deformations from the buckle* on the foreground end of the strap, there are none on the visible rear part of the strap at a similar distance from the end, which suggests that if the strap hasn't been cut then the strap hasn't spent a long time with the two ends of the strap close to each other. One possibility here is that over time the OP has adjusted for the natural gradual loosening of the strap by pulling on only one end of the strap, which (since the strap is just one length of webbing) will gradually see the other end migrate towards the buckle. If this happens then obviously that end of the strap will eventually slip through.
I'm not wholly convinced by that theory, but it's a possibility.
* or from the OP's four equidistant and parallel sweat glands
I’m not wholly convinced by that theory, but it’s a possibility.
I'm not wholly convinced either (except that sweat won't rot nylon)... but that is a long way from suggesting the OP has learning difficulties.
I had to take my car in last week due to some juddering. Based on the heat given of the disks on one wheel I figured the caliper was sticking... but I told the garage that was just my non-expert PoV... and what the symptoms were...
In this case the garage did an inspection and agreed... had I been wrong then being called a retard would seem a bit strong and my observations I passed on still valid! As it happens it wasn't the side I remembered ... but the garage took my observations... figured I might be mixed up between sides (as I told them I'd just quickly checked in the services)
There could (for example - I don't know that much about car brakes)... have been a vacuum in the hose or something... or just wheel balance ... ??? I dunno cos I'm not an expert... I just ventured an opinion...
In the same way ... so the OP doesn't know nylon and sweat are OK ...it doesn't invalidate their observations... or deserve being described as mentally challenged.
Like my cheap SDCAM accessories, I'd reckon that checking clips are not sharp isn't a bad thing to do on a 'cheap copy' helmet. It wouldn't stop me buying one ... but I would (like the SD cam but more cos it's protecting my head) check that there wasn't a QA issue...
Like I say... I'm not convinced either but I'm not about to go about calling someone a retard (or whatever equivalent) based on their lack of knowledge of materials science.
I’m not wholly convinced either (except that sweat won’t rot nylon)…
OP earlier today......
While i think the retard jibe was totally uncalled for, i think the issue comes when your first port of call is to go on a prominent website and slag off the supplier.
I know there is a lack of love for On-One nowadays (and certain individuals were all too happy to jump on it again) but if you start shouting what looks to be misleading stuff, expect to be called on it.
If the original had been - 'I think the sweat pad's a duff idea as it seems to have caused my strap to rot through' the answers might have been equally corrective, but far less rude (or TBF, humorous)
I regularly see people with the ‘join’ between front and back strap which is usually correctly sitting just below ear level, moved to under the chin. This means much more strap is used,
Nope, just means the bit below your ear has slipped down the straps, doesn't mean more or less straps are used.
I’m not convinced either but I’m not about to go about calling someone a retard
Of course.
I've absolutely no idea why you repeatedly refer to my post. I've said none of the things you (quite rightly) object to.
Nope, just means the bit below your ear has slipped down the straps, doesn’t mean more or less straps are used.
Actually, it does. It's not a huge amount and in fact the further down the join goes, the effective length to buckle becomes longer (or uses less strap for the same length), but it does make a difference. Do trigonometry or just get some string and try it.
Also, if over time the female end of the harness has moved over to be a longer strap, that will cause the spare at the male end to reduce. Again, unless the straps are already very short unlikely to be substantial.
While i think the retard jibe was totally uncalled for, i think the issue comes when your first port of call is to go on a prominent website and slag off the supplier.
I know there is a lack of love for On-One nowadays (and certain individuals were all too happy to jump on it again) but if you start shouting what looks to be misleading stuff, expect to be called on it.
TBH, I've had some pretty good deals from on-one.... (or Planet X or...) but TBH, where-else but the internet do you complain about stuff like that, perceived or not?
There is jumping on it and jumping on a bandwagon!
I've had a few internet buy's where you get pushed into writing a review that you then can't change... I learned not to do it... but where I've been happy with something initially then found it to be crap...
Caveat emptor but equally caveat venditor ... and whilst I'm doing fancy latin crap ... qui custodiet ipsos custodes.
