[Closed] Being put off by XX1

What chain are you using that casts less than £20?

I have just taken delivery of a new to me bike with XX1 and I want to start out with new cables, chain etc.

Cheers

That's why XTR 11 speed was so disappointing when it came out - I thought it'd compete with XX1 on range, but it falls short at both ends

Mmm, I don't wholly disagree. I understand why they've done it, but it's a bit of a shame.

I have been changing my chain at .50 religiously and chains at 20 per pop

'Kin ell! I'm only paying £1 more than that for chain AND cassette!

9 speed is where it's at guys, and y'all know it!

njee20 - Member

Mmm, I don't wholly disagree. I understand why they've done it, but it's a bit of a shame.

Even if they'd gone to 42 at one end, you could have used the larger front ring - but there's less range than XX1 at both ends.

Removed an olf Hone derailleur from a bike the other day - the Rapid Rise one that bolted directly onto the hub axle. Wonder if they'll do an "Enduro specific" (maybe revive Hone) 1x11 group similar to Saint for DH? The figure that was quoted on here about SRAM selling 7x as many XXI groups as they expected - plus the increasing 1x11 OEM takeup - Shimano have to be thinking about it.

My X01 will be going when the chain and cassette wear out, not impressed with the rear mech, Shimano XT better and cheaper. Big cog 42t wore out after 600 miles when I changed the chain, 1 x 10 xt with one-up range extender I had on previous bike worked just as well and was less fussy about setup. I can replace the whole lot including the xd driver freewheel for the cost of a new cassette 🙂

How much do you think you could see a complete SRAM X1 set up for if you bought a new bike and stripped it?

Around £350 plus the freehub which rather depends on your wheel. But that was before CRC massively reduced the price of new (OEM) ones. £450 new now iirc

Try it, I was skeptical before I got it, as I liked Shimano's double shift, as well as the ability to drop into a granny gear quickly with 2x9. Now it's on all my MTBs (2x XX1, 1x XO1, 1x X1) and I'm not entertaining the idea of going back to Shimano anytime soon, having only had them before. It really is very good.

Word for anyone looking at XO1 over X1, dont bother, shifting wise they feel identical, and hardly any weight penalty that you'd notice.

Has anyone got to the point of replacing a cassette and gone 'bugger me, that's expensive!' then gone back to Nx10?

Has anyone owned and used it for a reasonable amount of time (more than just a demo) and thought 'this is cack, I'm going back to shimano/10 speed'?

Not a huge amount I'd wager.

Donk, from the BR link-

And, in our opinion, it sets the stage for a non-XD style 11-speed mountain bike cassette for an X9 level group in the future…no reason why they couldn’t build it out to a 40 or 42 tooth max and have it fit a standard 10/11 speed compatible freehub body.

i will be running a XX1 cassette with XTR rear mech and shifter. Anyone want a brand new XTR Cassette?

XX1/XTR hybrid working together [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-shifters-derailleurs-cranks/new-2015-shimano-xtr-1x11-899297-13.html ]here[/url]

Full SLX 2 X 10 drivetrain on Merlin for £150 over the weekend with their 10% off code. I'm sure SRAM 1 X 11 feels nice but so does XT / SLX for a fraction of the price.

XX1/XTR hybrid working together here

Happy days, Rick Draper's active on BikeRadar if anyone has any questions!

Happy days indeed, the XTR cassette is a bit of a weighty beast in comparison to the XX1.

Quite, plus the narrower range, and the fact I've already got an XD body!

Virtually net neutral on weight going to XTR shifter/rear mech.

I must admit, im looking forward to having a bit more range from my XX 36 cassette.

I agree, if I bought a new bike that came with XX1, I'd flog the lot and go shimano.

+1

Obviously a lot of people haven't ridden XO1/XX1.

No CRC stock until late January on XTR mechs, although Madison getting them next Monday. Hmmm...

I used a 15 off voucher recently to get a medium cage, they go quickly. I did think about waiting for Di2, but for 1x11 which i will be running there is no point

Obviously a lot of people haven't ridden XO1/XX1.

I'm sure it rides great, but for a lot of us the sticking point is the silly price of the cassette and mech. And previous experience of Sram's components not being as reliable or durable as Shimano.

If Shimano 11sp shifters and mechs work with it as teased above - then I might be swayed in a year or two once it all trickles down.

I used a 15 off voucher recently to get a medium cage, they go quickly. I did think about waiting for Di2, but for 1x11 which i will be running there is no point

I've not got a Di2 compatible frame, and it adds a chunk of weight for 1x11 as you still need the same battery and what not, and you only save half the weight of the shifters, if you know what I mean! Seems a shame not to use the front mech either, as it's that that's so nice to use! So yes, I agree!

Njee - thats why I think Di2 will have little or no appeal to those running 1x11. If only it was wireless.....

Dunno, I'm not bothered by the wires per se, but admittedly it looks far better on frames that are built with it in mind. I suspect I could drill holes with no ill effects, but I don't really fancy doing it!

Just a thought while we're on the topic:

If money was no object (i.e. you'd get both free), XX1 or XTR Di2?

JCL - Member

Obviously a lot of people haven't ridden XO1/XX1.

I have- X01 I think. I'd like the wider range but otherwise I prefer my Saint/XT 1x10. I mean, that's not a big criticism, I think the current Saint's the best shifter anyone's ever made so it's no big deal to be runner up

I haven't but I ride with a guy with it on his Canyon and he doesn't get up the steepest climbs that others with 2x10 manage.

I haven't but I ride with a guy with it on his Canyon and he doesn't get up the steepest climbs that others with 2x10 manage.

Right.

I couldn't give a crap how the shifter works. After 10 minutes I'm used to whatever. I've got a year old XO1 shifter and it feels as good as new.

The bottom line is XO1/XX1 shifts perfect, it's lighter, doesn't drop chains, doesn't need a chain guide, allows better dropper lever position etc. Has anyone ever had a problem with it in a race? What happened to Nys at the start of the cross the other day? Or Absalon at that World Cup he was leading and got chainsuck and tore the hanger off.

Shimano might be better made but on the function side they're miles behind.

JCL - Member

The bottom line is XO1/XX1 shifts perfect, it's lighter, doesn't drop chains, doesn't need a chain guide, allows better dropper lever position etc.

Yup. And on top of all of these things it shares with Shimano 1x10 (at a fraction of the price) it has one advantage, slightly wider range. Which is a big advantage but you seem to think all this other stuff is unique?

To get that range with Shimano you need a front mech, shifter cable, and another chainring.

That's the point isn't it?

Sorry, but you can have the best of either shimano or sram world, mix Xtr shifting with an xx1 cassette - simple.

It is a wonderful example of mountain bike technological progress, but I can not afford to replace smashed mechs or worn out cassettes at £100+ each. £30 for a cassette or mech suits me.

And anyways in performance terms SLX flatters me.

I haven't but I ride with a guy with it on his Canyon and he doesn't get up the steepest climbs that others with 2x10 manage.

its not about the bike though eh, fitness plays a lot in cycling up steep hills

I cheat a lot and run a 20/33 double chainset as I like whinching up mountains.

I really don't doubt its the future but until it gets a lot cheaper I will remain a Luddite with 2x10

Just gone from saint shifter/zee mech/xt cassette to sram x1 shifter/X01 mech/x1 cassette, bike might have come fitted with a poor cable, but shifting hasn't been as precise and as solid and the shimano, i'm happy to give it a proper go though, might be good when it settles in.

I bit the bullet and got a bike with 1x11 even though i didnt really want the running costs of 1x11, i'll see how it goes. My chain is going to be kept a lot cleaner though.

I am impressed by the extra range, could happily drop the chainring down from 32 to 30 and not feel like im missing out top end. The easier gear i now have also came in handy on a group ride where others have granny rings.

JCL - Member

To get that range with Shimano you need a front mech, shifter cable, and another chainring.

That's the point isn't it?

Yes- though you can get very close. The point was, you listed a bunch of 1x advantages as if they were SRAM advantages when they can also be done with Shimano

Close just isnt good enough

Except, it is for me- used both, 1x10 does the same job, more than well enough, and better in some ways. If the extra gear was a gamechanger I'd pay the price premium, but having done it both ways, I'm just not that bothered. If you need the extra gear, and that outweighs all the disadvantages, then get what works for you, but don't think it's the only good option, or the best option for everyone.

Having run a 40t conversion (with SRAM) and ridden a bike with 2xXT on it I really don't get what all the fuss about shimano stuff is. The trigger shape is awkward and the performance is similar to my 18 month old X9. The range on my 1x conversion is good and just enough. The brief goes on 10-42 11sp has shown the range is huge.
The only thing you get from the new XTR 11sp that you don't get with a 40t expander is an extra gear step. It doesn't really seem like it's worth it. The 2 things the SRAM has going for it is the 42 and the 10t which give it the huge range.

its not about the bike though eh, fitness plays a lot in cycling up steep hills

I can't get my head around the extortionate price for an extra gear, especially since I can manage everything on 1x10. I'm not even that fit.

mikewsmith - Member

The only thing you get from the new XTR 11sp that you don't get with a 40t expander

TBF the only thing about new XTR that looks good to me, is the SRAM cassette compatability 😆 Remains to be seen what it feels like in use though, orrible feel-free broken-cable Shimano or lovely clanky SRAM-copy Shimano

(you said what's the fuss about Shimano- basically, for me, it's that the Saint shifter accurately copied my old X9's brilliant feel, but is made better. I wouldn't have that XTR 10sp crap on my bikes though)

I do sometimes forget you all still use those special buttons for gear changes, bless 😆

I haven't but I ride with a guy with it on his Canyon and he doesn't get up the steepest climbs that others with 2x10 manage.

I get up them, just not as quick as you Tom, but I have a cunning plan for that! 🙂

[i] I can manage everything on 1x10. I'm not even that fit. [/i]

Do you live anywhere hilly though, as around us there are long hills and plenty of steep/granny sections.

Oh well, ordered an XTR M9000 mech and shifter - anyone interested in my XX1 Grip Shift and rear mech!?