http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/crown_estate_wheels_out_mountain_bike_trails_plan_1_2005493
Mjvande doesn't like us... 😆
Bicycles should not be allowed in any natural area. They are inanimate objects and have no rights. There is also no right to mountain bike. That was settled in federal court in 1994: http:mjvande.nfshost.commtb10.htm . It's dishonest of mountain bikers to say that they don't have access to trails closed to bikes. They have EXACTLY the same access as everyone else -- ON FOOT! Why isn't that good enough for mountain bikers? They are all capable of walking.... A favorite myth of mountain bikers is that mountain biking is no more harmful to wildlife, people, and the environment than hiking, and that science supports that view. Of course, it's not true. To settle the matter once and for all, I read all of the research they cited, and wrote a review of the research on mountain biking impacts (see http:mjvande.nfshost.comscb7.htm ). I found that of the seven studies they cited, (1) all were written by mountain bikers, and (2) in every case, the authors misinterpreted their own data, in order to come to the conclusion that they favored. They also studiously avoided mentioning another scientific study (Wisdom et al) which did not favor mountain biking, and came to the opposite conclusions. Those were all experimental studies. Two other studies (by White et al and by Jeff Marion) used a survey design, which is inherently incapable of answering that question (comparing hiking with mountain biking). I only mention them because mountain bikers often cite them, but scientifically, they are worthless. Mountain biking accelerates erosion, creates V-shaped ruts, kills small animals and plants on and next to the trail, drives wildlife and other trail users out of the area, and, worst of all, teaches kids that the rough treatment of nature is okay (it's NOT!). What's good about THAT? For more information: http:mjvande.nfshost.commtbfaq.htm .
Oh dear, I've possibly killed small animals..... 😯
lucien - MemberOh dear, I've possibly killed small animals.....
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toasted squirrel anyone?
Looks like a grey, therefore vermin, good kill.
This guy's been present for years on old newsgroups.
Get 'em telt Druidh
Oh the guilt, I best stop riding before I do any more damage and take up walking everywhere....
Michael J. Vandeman is a prime berk. He's been spouting the same stuff for years, to the same response. I used to bait him via email under a number of different personas when I was at Uni. Wasted hours of his time. 😀
They are several dozen items of food short of a rubbish picnic. They also dont seem to appreciate that federal law doesn't apply to scotland.
I bet he googles his name. With any luck, he'll pop up here in a few minutes....
I bet he googles his name. With any luck, he'll pop up here in a few minutes....
I'm amazed he never has.
Who - Mike Vandeman????
You'd think that with a name like Mike Vandeman it would be easy to find in google just by typing in "Mike Vandeman"
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At mike vandeman
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Someone's tired!
some old goat spouting ill informed bollocks about a subject he knows nothing about.
should fit in just fine around here...
what a tool ( mike vandeman) 😡
Mjvande sounds like Myfanwy. Could Mjvande be the only mountain bike hater in the village and look very similar to this?
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WARNING: It is probably impossible to understand my web page, if you own a car.
Or a mountain bike.
He's been at it - consistently and tediously - for over a decade.
WARNING: It is probably impossible to understand my web page, if you own a car.
Or a mountain bike.
🙄
If he showed up here would he stand a chance against our Big Hitters?
Well, that comment thread took an unexpected turn... Hope he doesn't fly over and saw me for daring to be pro-bike 
Last I heard, he's in the nick, for threatning some mountain bikers.
He sounds mentally disturbed.
just another conservation nazi
there's no shortage of the same attitude on here. it just finds different ways to manifest itself.
read the cairngorm thread etc
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WARNING: It is probably impossible to understand my web page, if you own a car.
Or a mountain bike.
To be fair layout, writing style + witless badgering rantings make it impossible to understand if you own eyes or a brain.
For a self proclaimed academic hes none too bright.
MJ Vanderman really is an obsessive prize nudger.
trailmonkey - Memberjust another conservation nazi
there's no shortage of the same attitude on here. it just finds different ways to manifest itself.
read the cairngorm thread etc
godwins law?
Come on trail monkey - that cairngorm thread was a decent adult debate and led to me softening my attitude greatly on the subject.
good, then i'm sure you'll be able to affirm that there are lots of similar attitudes on here then.
see, we don't always disagree tj 😀
If he showed up here would he stand a chance against our Big Hitters?
I believe that he showed up on MTBR (USA forum) a few years ago and got completely taken apart before losing it and getting the ban-hammer.
Having moved to mountain biking from climbing/hiking in the last year, I must say I have never done as much damage to the environment as when I have been on foot in the hills. I can cycle the Tweed Valley straight from the house, but pump out tonnes of CO2 on my 300 mile round trips to the Highlands. After recent snowfall I may ditch my Kona Cindercone path wrecker and head to Fort William for a dander up Ben Nevis this weekend. I may add to my collection of road kill (pheasants, rabbits, pigeons, frogs, hopefully not deer)before strapping on a pair of crampons and permanently scraping the rock. I may also rip out quantities of turf with my ice axes as well as destroy vegetation whilst stamping out a belay ledge. Good day all round. Perhaps he may say that climbers can come into the hills but without climbing equipment.
This so called academic is completely biased, not living in the real world and sounds like a bit of an arse. If managed correctly there can be room for everyone in the countryside. I think to say that the freedom of the hills is for some but not for others is a bit elitist!!
Wow, I remember him from alt.rec.mountainbiking (I think), when Usenet was king. Well known back then for anti-MTB rantings.
TJ could have him.
Bicycles should not be allowed in any natural area. They are inanimate objects and have no rights.
replace bicycles with shoes, maps, bras, marsbars, anything else you have a dislike to and vanderman's argument still holds. vanderman doesn't like it so it should be banned.
I don't like bieber. can we ban bieber?
alt.rec.mountainbiking
Yup think that was it, seems so long ago.
if he creates areas of nature that are completely off limits to all people, how will he know if nature is succeding there?
Everything causes some negative effects, ultimately mountain bikes are more environmentally acceptable than MX bikes or quads on trails?
Anyway, I can ride anywhere I like because I pick up litter and don't skid.
double post
can we ban bieber?
yes please!
Passions:Art (especially Winslow Homer, Jose Orozco, Diego Rivera, Albert P. Ryder, Utamaro, A. Paul Weber), [b]bicycling[/b], biology (especially frogs and snakes), bookstores (especially Black Oak and Kinokuniya), English Literature (especially Emerson, John Steinbeck, and Walt Whitman), ham radio, hiking and camping
http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mjv1.htm
how can he hate us so much. sounds a little bit like hypocracy to me!
he's a mass of contradictions...
I hate cars though.
There was a write up in Dirt Magazine about the case.
There were some Mountain Bikers in an area where riding was banned. I think they were using the fire road trails to link up some singletrack - he would take it upon himself to block the riders path to try to stop them passing.
Because of the reaction he got he took to carrying a screwdriver to protet himself. 🙄
Then he was out with another couple of ramblers with a pruning knife to clear some trails (oh the irony).
He tried to block the biker with his arms out streched and "forgot" that he was carrying a knife in that hand. The rider was cut accross the chest.
They had two trials, the first was cancelled as one witness said he was well known as a booby trapping trail Nazi 😳
The second trial was a split decision in the jurty so were not able to decide that he started off "with intent" to cause injury so he just got GBH type conviction.
There was a write up in Dirt Magazine about the case.
There were some Mountain Bikers in an area where riding was banned. I think they were using the fire road trails to link up some singletrack - he would take it upon himself to block the riders path to try to stop them passing.
Because of the reaction he got he took to carrying a screwdriver to protet himself.
Then he was out with another couple of ramblers with a pruning knife to clear some trails (oh the irony).
He tried to block the biker with his arms out streched and "forgot" that he was carrying a knife in that hand. The rider was cut accross the chest.
They had two trials, the first was cancelled as one witness said he was well known as a booby trapping trail Nazi
The second trial was a split decision in the jurty so were not able to decide that he started off "with intent" to cause injury so he just got GBH type conviction.
From that link up there
Peeves:Air pollution, callousness towards wildlife, drugs, guns, invasion or destruction of wildlife habitat (especially by vehicles, such as ATVs, horses and burros, jetskis, mountain bikes, rafts, snowmobiles, and other ORVs), motor vehicles, road and highway construction, [b]violence[/b], waste (especially time
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There is probably no chance of convincing him of anything but you might "win" an argument with him (while pissing off everyone else, of course) by one of two tried and tested means:Point out where he is palpably wrong, and keep coming back to it however he wriggles and changes the subject, until he loses interest and starts insulting you.
Ridicule him mercilessly.
quoted from http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Mike_Vandeman
seems to be a working definition of a "big hitter" 😕
