[Closed] "5000" lumen light....

I'll let you know on Thursday when mine arrives, bought it as stop gap while my other light is being fixed!!!!!

About twice as bright as your magicshine, not 5x.

Ordered one last week. Interested to see what it's like when it turns up.

And Spicer said, "Let there be Light," and there was. Bloody loads of it.

I often blind dog walkers with my 2 magic shine 1600 jobs, its plenty of fun.

See this [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/talk-to-me-about-trail-lights ]thread[/url]

and this [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night-riding/solarstorm-fandyfire-x2-844802.html ]one[/url]

Got one coming in the post, from what I've heard you can't really go wrong, although the battery life isn't fantastic at about 3 hours on medium (which is plenty apparently)

Well it certainly wont be 5000 lumens, but at £30 its worth a punt.Deal Extreme sell this particular light.

I've got one and have used it but haven't actually just compared it to mine or my m8's lights. Definitely not 5000 lumens, but seemingly loads better than the single XML light around over the last couple of years.
I wouldn't say it was "crapish" but mine came with a rubbish battery, other ppl report theres to be better, hardly the end of the world or unexpected.
Only quick comparison I did was side by side next to a Inton Dual XML (MS880 type jobbie), and it's definitely not quite as bright as that, but is substantially smaller & lighter.

I've ordered a couple.

Hahaha, the Chinese lumens are really getting ridicules!
A few years ago you would divide the silly figure by 50% and that would give you a top end estimate, but WHF 5000!
Divide that by 50%, then 50% again and then if you take another 20% off that, then thats the likely max output.

Divide that by 50%, then 50% again and then if you take another 20% off that, then thats the likely max output.

Wow, that ends up at 100,000 lumens then, that really is a bargain to be had! 😆

I got one last week and very impressed! Bargain!

Yeah cheapo 18650 battery pack but that's easy changed.

Anyone use a lipo battery pack?

5000ma lipo can be bought pretty cheap from purplepower or giantshark

problem with LiPo cells is they can be really tetchy if you don't charge them properly (balanced charger).

Make sure to put the LiPo in a hard shell/case too, if you get one.

Wow, that ends up at 100,000 lumens then, that really is a bargain to be had!

Nah the triple unit are only 6000 lumens (check out ebay), though I'd stick with the smaller x2 (lower profile) for helmet use.

i have had an 1800lm for a year and it's been fantastic, reliable, long battery and very bright.
Bought the 5000lms couple of week's ago for night ride outs and to be honest very hard to tell any difference between them. Still good light for the money though 🙂

*EDIT
There is also a 9000lm as well

How does this compare to a magicshine 872?
I don't need new lights but I can't help myself.

Says its using "XML U2" emitters, anyone know how those might differ from the T6?

5000 lumen , what a joke. I would be amazed if the actual output was offer 1200

It's a little more than £30 but it does produce a real, measured (by whom I don't know) 4,500 lumens! http://www.full-beam.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SYS_X12_2013
I've got their little 2,500 lumen light and TBH that's plenty, just over 3hrs at full whack, days and days on low.

Divide that by 50%, then 50% again and then if you take another 20% off that, then thats the likely max output.

Wow, that ends up at 100,000 lumens then, that really is a bargain to be had!

The latest XM-L will produce around 1000 Lumens in optimal lab conditions, stick that in a light and you would be looking at around 700-800 max accounting for losses.
Those 2x XM-L lights would likely only be putting out 500-600 each max, so 1000-1200 max.
And its pretty unlikely that they will have the latest ones too, despite what it says.

To properly measure lumens, you need to use a sphere, the best most of us could do is to use a light meter and find the lux, but that only tell you how bright a light source is.

I have a 9x XM-L flashlight which is advertised as 11000 Lumens, tests showed it was about 5000 max when first switched on, going down to around 3500-4000 after the heat etc... kicked in.

These ebay cheapo lights are great (i use three of last years XML's myself), buuuut the mounts are ****. Really need to bodge something much better... Batteries are defo on their way out now too, but unlike everyone warned me the lights themselves still work great!

The hope qr light mount works..you may need a shorter screw.

The Magicshine headmount also works....

Fiddled with one tonight. Nicely made little light. Really is very bright for the money. I don't understand why you need to spend hundreds, when these work better than I would have expected. I can also agree on the battery case being a bit cheap but with a locking ring on the connector to prevent it pulling out by accident and the weight of it, they are good. And all for £30. Going to get one myself now, after handing it back to its owner.

A bit of a "Wall-e" look

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a bit? you look like his brother

Just ordered one, do they come with a helmet mount or do I need to get my bodge on?

Didn't see one in the box, just a pair of rubber rings for mounting to bars

Wouldn't want to catch my knee/leg on that in an over the bars fall.

If it's more than 1100 lumens I'd be amazed. Probably reclaimed laptop cells in the battery pack I would imagine. Definitely one to charge in a metal box.

If it's more than 1100 lumens I'd be amazed. Probably reclaimed laptop cells in the battery pack I would imagine. Definitely one to charge in a metal box.

1100 lumens is plenty. I've got a 500 lumen lamp that I can ride as fast as I can with.

Even if the battery is rubbish you can pick up a 4400mah in the UK for £30 or 6600mah for £35.

Or Johnny 5

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Wouldn't want to catch my knee/leg on that in an over the bars fall.

If it's more than 1100 lumens I'd be amazed. Probably reclaimed laptop cells in the battery pack I would imagine. Definitely one to charge in a metal box.

Is there perhaps a reason you are being so negative about this light? Ulterior motive perhaps?

Everyone who's bought one seems very happy.

Wouldn't want to catch my knee/leg on that in an over the bars fall.

or just ride within you're capability or stay indoors

HAHA stay indoors? Are you mad when we can have a laugh at me falling off again. not forgetting the beer after 😆 Thrusty, don,t tell them about my home made batt. Packs

Ha ha, FFS, every year they draw me in with their promise of more lumens than I'll ever know what to do with. Ordered.

(I'm justifying it as it means I can now leave lights permanently on my road and mountain bike helmets and the bars of three bikes too.)

Got to admit, I was just drawn to the pretty red anodising with the excuse I needed a backup light 😳

Is there perhaps a reason you are being so negative about this light? Ulterior motive perhaps?

He sells lights, but it can't be that. Probably just genuine concerns.
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The battery will be pap, though. Which always seems to be the weak point with these lights.

I'm very open about the fact that I sell lights but that doesn't exclude me from holding an opinion.

Lots of people on here work for specific bike brands but share opinions about loads of bikes.

I'm in a bit of a quandary here, Yes I already own 3 single emitter XML lights and an aged P7 all of which are still functional... But £30?... it's really not bad VFM, and it’s hardly like we don’t know what we’re getting now after what ~4 years or so of: P7 & XML emitter, 4x18650 batteries (with questionable weather tightness) and patented ,[I] firestarter [/I]chargers we’re all used to Chinese “Bastid” lights.

To those that own or have played with one, what's the beam pattern like? anyone got a beam shot yet?

Is it just a slightly wider hot spot with a big bastard halo (as I'd sort of expect two £15 XMLs side by side to be)?

How about weight? much heavier than a single? I'd see this as more of an option for noggin than bar mounting...

Similar claimed output from lights like this. Fairly obvious that it'll be nowhere near those figures but even so I'd be interested to see just how bright they are and how usable the spread of light is.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bicycle-HeadLamp-Headband-6400mah-Charger/dp/B00E59JOMC/

Painey - there are 2 things I would watch for with that light you linked to on Amazon.

Please never over-charger or over-discharge the 18650 batteries, which means when the brightness of the flashlight is going down clearly but not totally dark, it is the time to charge it, or the battery will be over-discharged and it will be broken or short-circuit when you charge it the next time.

Would that suggest that there is no protection circuit to protect from over charging or discharging of the cells. Li-ion cells really don't like being discharged below 3v - it kills them. That would suggest the user must watch for when the light dims and turn it off or kill the cells. There are other cheap Chinese lights that offer some protection so I'd look elsewhere.

I'd also wonder about heat management of the emitters with 4 XMLs in a fairly small light head. If they have no protection against over heating the led's will simply get less and less bright until they die.

There are better cheap lights out there than that one.

There some beam shot [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night-riding/solarstorm-fandyfire-x2-844802-9.html ]here[/url]. You'll need to be a mtbr member to see them & the shots are too cluttered to make a great comparison, other than there a lot spread but not huge increases in overall output.

I have one, as I couldn't resist one for £25. I can't tell you what the beam is like as I've simply used it to ride (with another light) & not sat in a field playing with the beam - very bright is all I'd say.
I have quickly compared it side by side with one Neninja's old Inton dual XML (the MS880 is similar) & that had the edge on the X2 output wise, but is a huge light/reflectors & cost £125 (£150 for a MS880?)

It's a small unit, so I'd say a great head light, the head unit being half the height of my single XML light (though the Luminator and gloworm I've seen quickly, were a lot smaller). My scales report it as 97g including mount, my old MTB Batteries V1 XML (with a Electron handlebar mount) weighs in at 140g. Though I'd want to use a different mounting to attach it to my helmet (not seen a good way yet), as mounting it on the [url= http://www.bikelightsuk.com/accessories/magicshine_helmet_mount_for_all_magicshine_lights_mj872_mj816_mj808e_P577.html ]'normal' MS helmet mount[/url] will lift it away from the helmet and lose the point of the low profile

It looks like i've given this company a decent amount of business here.

Maybe I should ring them up and demand commission?

(....right after I order mine....)

Anyone know of anywhere that sells 8x 18650 cells that will fit the SolarStorm light?

Ordered one of these yesterday as a replacement for my very aged P7 DX torch - been having some neck problems so going to run it as a head torch with batteries in camelback to reduce helmet wobbling mass.

And I've got a Lumicycle XPG on the bars which is made of solid tufftanium and lasts 200 hours on full power, so no great loss if the new one dies mid-ride.

Kevin1911 - email [url= http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/ ]MTBBatteries[/url] and they'll sort you out. I got some much netter quality cells and charger for my P7 torch from them, which have lasted years.

Kevin, try contacting [url= http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/mountain-bike-batteries/ ]MTB batteries[/url] not the cheapest but great products. My longest serving battery is one he supplied -3 or 4 years old now. Also his aftersale support is legendary.
I'm use an old MS-828 battery with mine, as my supplied battery was very poor, so any MS connector should work.

EDIT: See that ^^^ he edit that in after I started posting 😳 though you can never have too many recommendations

😉

(not done maliciously)

Ta, have dropped them a mail

I'm tempted - I have a stash of quality 7.2V batteries from Lupine days, so I need 7.2V lights I can attach to them. Most are 14.4 nowadays it seems.

Having said that, I could also do with something to run with, tha tmight be too big for head mounting without a helmet.

So many people missing the main point here, you can buy it in RED!! 😯

Must therefore be bags of awzum fast! as red is always fastest

I ordered two last Thursday which have arrived today.

As it says elsewhere the batteries will require waterproofing.

Though they work with both my Dinotte and old Magicshine batteries.

I took some rough and ready beam shots for a mate which you can find ->>> [url= http://www.thetestteam.cc/component/kunena/kit-review-advice/263-cheapo-chinese-lights-for-night-riding ]http://www.thetestteam.cc/component/kunena/kit-review-advice/263-cheapo-chinese-lights-for-night-riding[/url]

Richpips, who did you order it from, to get that quick a delivery time? M8's light look to have broken, and he was impressed by mine, so...
(mine took just over two week to arrive and had a rubbish battery, so would prefer not to use them again)

Mine arrived today, the under-the-desk test = bright! Some colleagues going home with arc eye tonight! 😉

As for waterproofing, I've previously stretched a standard party balloon over the battery pack and zip-tied the nozzle round the lead. Worked a treat, and fits back in the battery pack.

Mine was ordered Monday to arrive yesterday from [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-Bright-2x-CREE-XML-U2-LED-Bicycle-Bike-Light-Set-Red-Black-5000-Lumen-UK-/200959831751?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:3160 ]these UK guys.[/url]

40mpg, does it really only have the 3 modes?
As mine has 4.. cheers for the link though

Isnt £51 for a battery pretty steep??im needing a battery for my light but for that price i'd rather buy a whole light system for that,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-model-Fluxient-XM-L-U2-1100-lumen-Race-with-helmet-mount-and-bar-mount-/290981345342?pt=UK_SportGoods_CyclAcces_RL&hash=item43bfd6f83e

Richpips, who did you order it from, to get that quick a delivery time? M8's light look to have broken, and he was impressed by mine, so...
(mine took just over two week to arrive and had a rubbish battery, so would prefer not to use them again)

[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130941337921 ]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130941337921[/url]

Battery from Torchy Boy. £30

[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290969390722 ]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290969390722[/url]

Mine turned up last night, they seem quite good (and you can't argue for £25!). Certainly not 5000 lumens, but easily bright enough, i'd say maybe 900 lumen on mid power and maybe 2000 on full, though these are massive guesses at best. Didn't get a UK 3pin plug though 🙁

I gave mine a quick comparison test in the back garden last night:

Full Whack:
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Medium:
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Low:
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My old MJ836:
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Four4th Exodus 1200lm (my helmet light):
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SolarStorm/FandyFire, MJ836, Exodus
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The SolarStorm has a tighter beam than I would like, my MJ836 is wider. It is however a lot brighter than the other 2, so prob around 1500-1600lm in comparison. Will be riding with it next Wed eve to see how it is on the bars. I'm using my Samsung battery that I bought to run the MJ836 on, so not too fussed about the one that came with it (wifes got that now 🙂 ).

HEllo chaps, sorry for the resurrection but i thought an update would do nicely.

I had my first ride out yesterday with the Solarstorms, and after bodging a bracket on the helmet (hazard tape and cardboard), they sat quite nicley where my old MS sit.

My old MS were quoted at 900lumen, but most seem to think they were around the 800 mark, but nonetheless i found them powerful enough on the tight twisty stuff i like to ride, true some of the faster descent could have done with a bit more power and throw but i got on OK.

These new lights having 3 modes - my old MS seemed to be somewhere between low and Mid in terms of brightness, and for most riding i was more than happy to go round on low. The High setting was treeeemedous. Plenty of throw and not too "spotty". The ride last night was a shade under 2hrs, and with a mix of mid, low and the occasional high i came back with 2 green lights still showing (so i've obviously not got a duff battery).

Anyway, short summary, for £25 they are brilliant. I'd still go with around 2000 lumen on high, but nothing more. Good light as far as im concerned and more than plenty for most riding.

Sui

Used mine for the first time last night too, and as a helmet light. I cut down the frankly enormous helmet mount that came with the light to just use the middle D-shaped bit and the rubber band to attach it to a cross-member on my helmet (if that makes sense).

The light has a definite spot with a lighter ring round, so perfect as a helmet light. On full, its slightly brighter than my Lumicycle XPG on boost, so I'd concur with around 2000 lumens.

I ran it on full for 1.5 hours and it started to fade a bit by the end, and showed 1 light on the power indicator. I'll give it a go on medium (which is plenty - others were complaining about shadows) next time and see how long that lasts.

I just need to play with helmet mounts now - its a bit high off the top of my helmet and prone to tree-whacking. I'll have to make something to mount nearer the front - however it gets bloody hot so need to insulate it from the helmet a bit (ie not metal mount) or my lid will melt!

now that's odd, becuase mine was stone cold when i finished my ride which i was surprised about, but then maybe that's due to running in on low to mid most of the time. Must admit i quite like it a bit more spot as opposed to flood, it reminds me i'm actually riding in the dark! 😀

So I got mine yesterday.

Not used in anger yet but its plenty bright.

Medium is a good bit brighter than a Hope HID light that I've had for a while.

As for the mount well its a bit basic but fine for handlebar mounting using the rubber band. However the mount is just attached by a single screw so its pretty easy to just remove the screw and then attach whatever mount you want.

I had an old Cateye doubleshot that although is well past it had a pretty decent helmet mount so I am using that for the new light.

A Hope mount from a Hope Vision 1 also fitted fine and made for a better handlebar mount.

No, its not 2000 lumens and would NEVER ever be!
It'll be around 1000 at best.
The old MJ-836 used an older P7 which is more floody and less efficient, and at best was probably giving you around 500, maybe 600 absolute max.
Remember, its not always about the lumens, its about how they are projected.
The XM-L has more of a spot than the quite floody P7.

If someone can find the current draw, you will be able to work out roughly the output is.

ok Lumens aside then - it gives me more light than i need. is that better? 8)

[url= http://dx.com/p/yinding-yd-2xu2-2-x-cree-xm-l-u2-1200lm-4-mode-white-bicycle-light-headlamp-black-4-x-18650-243661 ]Ive just ordered this one in the hope that the lens helps spread the light a bit because I know how spotty the ZM-L is.[/url]

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I have bought loads of led lights over last few years. So cheap now... unless you are buying from the UK...

I have the one in the first post. It's a great light.

I also just bought the 5 x cree t6 trustfire with 10000mah battery.. i looked into it on high when i got it.. it was like being on mushrooms for much time after.

I've ordered one from the OP too. Should be here on Saturday, can't wait.

Lightman, what's your thinking behind buying that light?
I can see from the beam shot it does look wider than my solarstorm and none of the others on sale give a beamshot to compare.

Had a quick play with my torches in the back garden after last nights night ride, the Solarstorm is definitely still a round central spot, that is wider/bigger, brighter with a better spread round the central spot than my old single XML unit.
It's been great so far, and for £25 I'm not complaining & would recommend it over the single XML units.

Well, I've got plenty single XM-L flashlights I use for biking, and while they all do the job, the XM-L needs something to help spread the beam just a bit more.
So with the aspherical lens, it'll give more flood than just a glass lens.
Quite how much of a difference, Im not to sure, as long as it doesn't affect the throw too much, I'll be happy.
I might play about a bit and replace one side with just a glass lens and see what thats like.

Probably a stupid question. I have ordered one of the solar storms and was looking to double battery life. Would a xy connector work to use another battery pack at same time and what to do about waterproofing the battery pack.

Batteries from torchy or candbseen, can't afford mtbbattery.

Thanks

If torchy's are anything like the better MS units (which I'd imagine they are), then they're basically plastic dipped, which are pretty damned good at keeping water out.
Do you really need double the battery life?
The lower setting are still damned bright, and unless you doing techie stuff all ride, you don't need it on full beam.
If that the case another option is to buy a 6600mAh battery, torchy sell them...

The battery connector option is way past my electric knowledge (which isn't a lot), can't see if you were out that long ,that 2minutes to swap batteries would be a major issue..

Otherwise waterproofing can be as simple as wrapping in a plastic bag and ziptying it tight.. or self amalgamation tape could probably work pretty well too, or plastic dipping...

EDIT: Torch is listing a torch with an 8800mAH battery, you could approach him and see if he'll sell one separately.. or search around for one

If you buy the Solarstorm from lightmalls.com you can purchase an additional battery. I bought a waterproof 4400mah for about £9 along with the light

Just ordered the "X2" from lightmalls - £22.80 (Inc postage) after conversion, rude not to really...

Before I suggest this to someone, from buzzing through this am I correct in saying these battery packs are unprotected?

p.s. love the lumen guessing

Unprotected from the elements or their own chargers?

In both instances I'd expect the answer to be no.

but then: [url= http://www.lightmalls.com/solarstorm-x2-2000-lumen-dual-head-bicycle-light-with-2xcree-xm-l-u2-led-4-modes-4-18650-battery ]They are silly cheap![/url]

unprotected in that there is nothing to stop you over or under charging them

The batteries do have a protection circuit separate to the battery cells, within the pack (how clever they are is a different matter).