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Orange have only just got the frame stiffness of the 5 sorted out though....according to MBR.
merc350 - had one on loan for a week. Decent enough bike, but certainly no more than that.
Brycey - where did I say that it was the equivalent of a supermini?
I'm not against it in any way shape or form. Just not a fanboy.
merc350 - had one on loan for a week. Decent enough bike, but certainly no more than that.
Furry muff... 😆 You have the right to your opinion same as me......This mountain bike lark is such a subjective thing 
"Fiat 500 won car of the year in 2008."
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant winning a "Best..." didn't mean anything, as the above European supermini won such an accolade without being particularly inspiring. My mistake.
I'm not a fanboy either (I don't have one), but a very large proportion of the UK biking public can only be so wrong.
rockhopper70 - MemberOrange have only just got the frame stiffness of the 5 sorted out though....according to MBR.
I have heard this as well from a mate who develops prototypes for orange and another mate came across it in a forum. They have had a problem with the rear maxle causing frame failures on their prototypes...
Rockhopper, did you read this online if so have you got the link?
balls to the hype..
its a great bike..
I wouldnt know the difference between a £4400 bike and a £1000 quid bike if I rode it
There. I've said it
Brycey - you've lost me completely.
And I would argue that the vast majority of the UK biking public could be very very wrong very easily.
No link...it was in the MBR update on the long term test a few months ago. I started a thread on here about the update that stated the five had an achilles heel in frame stiffness yet had won bike if the year for a few years.
Must have imagined your car of the year analogy then, sorry.
And I would argue that the vast majority of the UK biking public could be very very wrong very easily.
Probably easily led by the popular MTB press......followed the hype 2008,2009,2010... 😈
So we will see loads of MTBers trading their Fives in for trek ex's in the next few months as its just won what mountain bikes trail bike of the year. 😆
I will keep my eye on ebay for some five bargains 😆
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I just bought, taxed, insured and remaped a 56 plate seat ibiza Sport for about the same amount as that. A few years ago I had a 224 and a meta 5.5 and combined they didn't cost me £4400.
Course, MBR also said the extra-slack Strange they got had The Best Geometry Ever and then when they got the production Five and it was different, it also had The Best Geometry Ever. Then reviewed the 2011 Five and said "The wheels are weak and too skinny and the brakes down't work properly. 10/10!". Ah, MBR.
I love Orange but I have to say 4.4k does seem rather alot for a Five but for myself, XTR doesn't seem that exciting.
My Alpine 160 with Talas fork, branded b/b, headset, stem, bars, seatpost, chain guide and CCDB has cost me less than 4k with careful after market purchases. I think I'd get a Five Pro and spec it up myself, lots more fun.
XTR...
wtf makes no sense on this bike.. not a race bike, why blow a fortune on racers XTR thats overpriced and underbuilt.. all mountain my ar*e..
£4.4k is justified by the buyer as their #1 priority is how much it cost followed by its XTR you know..
nuts, so much for a recession..
I think for £4400 they should have some blingy wheels and maxle rear at the least. I'd be a bit upset to fork out another £100 for maxle, then £100 for custom paint, and those hope race brakes aren't really suited to a bike like this IMO. The pro and the AM look fair buys though.
Be it good or bad, that's a lot of cash for a push iron!
FFS, here we go again. If youv'e got the dosh & you want as British a FS bike as you can get, get a 5. Mine was £3800.00 for parts only (list) but I paid £3300.00 for it built up, so it was more of a 'customy' type.
It suits me, I paid cash (robbed a bank) & after 21 years of riding all sorts...It's ****ing awesome. IN MY OPINION.
All this 'it's not suited for this, it's not suited for that,' bollox, is just that, IE, bollox. If it suits you (sir) it's suits you.
Think you find that all Manufacurers bikes blinged or not
are well exspensive this and the coming year.
But the Orange frames only goes up in cost by 10 percent each year like all other manufacturers.
All this 'it's not suited for this, it's not suited for that,' bollox
Read the singletrack review (this months mag) of the hope race brakes mate. And calm down FFS.
819s an old design (i'm still running one from back in 2004ish) thats strong and UST-able, heavy tho and about bloody time they updated it. Everyone is factory wheel or latex tubeless now no one seems interested in UST rims (except me)
this is their flagship xc bike (burlier AM is available), full gears, xtr and lightness is about right, sounds pretty conservative price for top of the range to me. 819s seem a little bit out of place tho.
Trek Remedy 9.8 = 5k
Trek Remedy 9.9 = 6.5k
I'm sure lots of other manufacturers are the same. Giant Trance is close to 7k for instance:
http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Giant-Trance-X-Advanced-SL-0-Mountain-Bike-2011-Full-Suspension-MTB_39475.htm
Orange offering the Five with XTR and top end kit makes sense to me.
I weighed my old xm819s and they were about 550g each for the rim and eyelets.
That's nothing - I managed to up-spec that five to £5178!
🙂
well, this Scott is 8,000 pounds AND its a hardtail!
http://www.evanscycles.com/products/scott/scale-899-2011-mountain-bike-ec025354
The Orange Five is a bargain!
I haven't really looked into it, but isn't this epxensive 5, just like their 'top of the range' one?
It fills a need in that it competes with other manufacturer's in the 'blingy' bike competition and enables them to say "our mega-trail bike weighs only 25lbs" - or whatever the expensive kit gets it down to, even though that weight only applies to the top model??
It's also the bike for people with a load of cash to spank and have to buy the 'best' even if they won't benefit from it.
All the other companies do it; not sure what the big deal is.
Yes it's expensive, but so's a Ferrari.
They might only sell a handful of Five SE's - but a bucket load of the cheapest model.
If I had £4.4K burning a hole in my pocket, then I might consider buying a SE. But then again, putting things in perspective - if I had £4K *spare* to spend on a bike, £4K wouldn't even be a dent on the bank balance.
For the moment, I'm happy on my Patriot (2000)...
SLX would be better on that bike..
That's an awful lot of money for any mountain bike that realistically I'd ride 30-40 odd times a year (hardtail more suitable where I am) - think I need to accept I've been priced out of buying new full sussers these days...
Fair play to the guys that have the money to buy one, I probably would if I could!
The £4,400 price tag is irrelevant to me as I'll not be speccing a bike with XTR, etc in the forseeable future. £1,400 for the frame is of interest as I'll likely be getting a new frame in the next couple of years. Seems a lot when, for example, a Heckler is £900 but horses for courses and it is UK built which is a definate bonus.
Not going to argue about the price, it just seems that bikes, forks and components are all getting pretty pricey.
But I will argue about the 819 comment. I'd have said 719s are the perfect rim for such a bike. 819s are pretty heavy but are UST if that's what you want then they're great.
Are people actually killing 819s? I would think that it's more poor wheel build if they are, especially on a bike like the Five.
I've yet to destroy an 819, and I'm a heavy old sod who tends to plough through stuff and land drops with all the finesse of an arthritic hippo.
They're fine for anything short of full DH, I'd say; if you're regularly breaking them then your wheel build might be the issue rather than the rim.
It's XTR! £400 Chainset, £180 Cassette and on it goes. Stick with the Pro at £2800 if it's too bling for you.
And Merc350, the fault is with the Maxle lite axles being tapered inside the Hope hub. Nothing to do with the frame. The Maxle lite axles have now had a re design and are now parallel to eliminate axle failures.
£4400 is a lot of money, but there are plenty of options to get one cheaper.
I've got a 2010 five pro which I upgraded to the 819s, they died. One flattened rim and the other a pretty hefty wobble within one month of purchase. Currently run a pair of cheap as chips Superstar Evo wheels on their own brand DH rims and it's great (although a little heavier!). I wouldn't have said I was a bull-in-a-china-shop kind of rider but do take the five down things my old patriot used to revel in.
Neil
when the pro went upto £2800 i thought we'd sell hardly any...its my best selling orange in only a couple of months...orange themselves were also worried as to how sales would be affected due to the price rise and its had no effect(in fact the opposite has happened hence the 4 week leadtime at the mo)
i sell hardly any five s's as most guys have done the research and will go upto the pro...weve probably sold 4 se's since ive been a dealer(4years)not a big part of their market..
i still think they present very good value for money...try building a intense tracer for less than 4400..if you dont like em dont buy one and tell everyone on here once a month.. 😆
my LBS 2p worth
I'm having trouble working on their maths... as if the frame price of £1400 is correct, then I can't seem to find £3k of extra cost in there...
The 2011 groupset seems to be coming in at about £900 or so on pre-order.
The forks are probably what, £1k at the very most.
So, that leaves about £1100 for some wheels, in this case 819s on Hope (£260), some brakes (Hope X2 Race - £300?).
So, where does about £500 go on the rest of the bits?
Wouldn't it just be cheaper to buy the bits and build it yourself? I always thought that it was generally cheaper buying a complete bike than doing it yourself...
not really sure whats been said before on this - but its a fair old price hike, i guess if you could stretch to that sort of money then you shouldnt even be quibbling about the price anyways....
but i genuinely believe that you could build that bike up for a hell of a lot less than than that price tag with pretty much the same spec....ok so maybe have to ditch the xtr new cranks or the hope brakes (which i dont like anwyays) and do a few custom bargain quality bits (elixir cr carbon brakes onone etc) and i reckon you would easily get a nice 5 from the frame up for easily under 3 grand! and mine below if i was to build a custom spec wise it probably wouldnt be much off there se!
frame - 1400
forks - 500ish (grabbing some bargain fox, or even rochshox maxle ones)
wheels xm819s on pro2 - 300ish
xtr chainset - 9 speeds all below - 290ish
xtr rear mech - 100ish
xtr front mech - 50ish
xtr shifters - 120 ish
xtr brakes - 300 ish
xt cassette / chain - 60 ish
xtr pedals - 80ish
hope headset - 50ish
thomson stem - 60ish
easton bars - 80ish
mud x tyres - 40ish
thomson seat post - 60ish
fizik gobi seat - 50ish
skewers - 40ish
hope rotors - 60ish
thats 3560 grand!
not sure if ive missed any thing, and mines is with pedals 😆
3500 custom build for a very similar specced as there 4499....only major difference being xtr 2011 compared to the 2010 9 speed stuff ive just included
So you should be comparing it to 2010 prices and not 2011 prices.
So, where does about £500 go on the rest of the bits
headset,stem,bars,grips,seatpost,saddle,bottom bracket,pedals,tyres,reflectors
yeah i agree, just saying that if i had that sort of money id gladly save 1000quid and run the xtr 9 speed stuff.....nothing else is different.....guess they have to as new xtr is dearer, but im just stating i wouldnt spend 4500 on it when i could build up and equally as good machine with the same spec and pocket the 1000quid!
i undertand your point though dont get me wrong, just if i had that sort of cash that would defo be a custom build jobby for me
ian thats a 2009 model 😆
ian thats a 2009 model 😆
the custom one i did would be pretty much 2011 components (less forks) and the frame would be a 2011 not 2009!
Yup agree with you there, if I'm spending £4400 on an orange 5 I would hand pick the part myself, on the other hand that build makes my custom look cheap, and my frame was only £500 more then the orange 😈
Headset... about £60 for a Hope?
Seatpost and stem about £100 for the pair..
Bars.. can't find a price but I'd guess about £100
Tyres.. maybe £100 if they are fancy-pants tyres or £60 for the tyres that are on there..
Pedals will be cheapie flats I would imagine, if it has any at all...
Bottom bracket comes with the chainset as it's HTII
So, that's £140 for grips and saddle then... oh, and some cables...
That's all assuming that you can't get the fork for cheaper than £1k as well... a quick google suggests it's available for about £700.. so that's another £300 to spend...