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Yeah I wish they would come out with a Hammerschmidt Mk2 - it's a great idea and is worthy of further development.
I can't figure it out from the descriptions - does this need a new hub as well?
Sort of, it needs a new freehub body, SRAM and DT Swiss are doing them, so you'll be able to retrofit your wheels if they use those hubs.
I BET Shimano come out with a different "standard" to achieve the same thing.
Hopefully Hope Pro 2's will have an adapter for both!
Magnetic chainring teeth? Really?
That's a cool idea!
And those teeth do look a bit stuck on.
I still reckon it's just a way of making them wider to hold the chain better, after all it the side to side wobble that derails it so if you make the chaininring thick enough to hold it perfectly straight it can't come off?
I BET Shimano come out with a different "standard" to achieve the same thing.Hopefully Hope Pro 2's will have an adapter for both!
Probably, but I still reckon it'll be a niche thing with similar (maybe a little more due to it acutlay being different rather than just lighter) popularity to XX, i.e. you might know one person who has it on a trail bike, then see loads of people at races with it.
I think you're all missing the point that, mounted on a rohloff hub, with a triple chainset on a hammerschmidt, this could provide *thinks...* 924 gears. Cool 🙂
I think you're all missing the point that, mounted on a rohloff hub, with a triple chainset on a hammerschmidt, this could provide *thinks...* 924 gears. Cool
Anyone remember the 3x3x9 DMR switchback one ebay agaes ago? Used a SRAM 3x hub on a 3x9 drivetrain.
Wwhich begs the question, what happend to the SRAM 3x hubs?
More development into hub gears please
More development into hub gears please
Surely these are the final throws of the dice for any kind of rear hub based shifitng, can't be long now before someone more mainstream (read: cheeper) than Nicolai makes a gearbox driven bike?
Ok, more development into gearboxes then please.
No need - Pinion have got it sorted I reckon. Once someone other than nicolai starts making compatible frames then the cost will be realistic.
Someone other than Nicolai is but I forget who. The pinion one looks good but a bit of market competition would be good to drive prices and development. Plus I'd much prefer something I can retrofit to any frame.
It's just like discs, loads of people made them with various standards and quality and success but then shimano did it better and cheaper.
There's a full list of frame manufactures who are doing Pinion models here:
http://pinion.eu/discover-pinion/partners/
They are all pretty expensive brands. I'll wait until On-One do one i think 🙂
Can't see Shimano coming out with anything like that for at least 5-10 years. I'm sure they will one day though.
Don't they know there's a recession on?
I just checked out the price of an XX cassette to get an idea of how much this will cost... 😯 ❗ 😯
Shimano already do the alfine and nexus range, it wouldn't be a huge leap to a gearbox.
I wonder if this hub will be able to take a modified XX1 cassette?
Kappius Components
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http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/sea-otter-2012-kappius-components-show-evolution-hubs-33835/
Or perhaps these guys will get together and redesign the rear hub and cassette to suit the 21st century???
Instant engagement, light weight, and robust design... promises promises.
Don't get that Kappius hub. Silly money and even if they do the modified XX freehub body thing it saves what, 4g?
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More expensive? Yes, probably, although one less shifter, mech and chainring. 'Plain' rings are dirt cheap too compared to ramped multi-rings, dunno about this 'special' one though.
The big S's will release new high end groupos and make bits of them cheap?
Harder to index? It's one mech, with one button for 'up' and one for 'down', the fact there are 11 will make it no harder to do, by not needing to do a front mech as well it will be far simpler. Fewer moving parts/pivots/rings getting worn. Makes sense.
11 speed vs 10 speed = narrower gaps, harder to index as accurately, same as 7/8 vs 6, 9 vs 7/8 simples.