[Closed] 11 Speed XT

Makes me kind of pissed of I've just spent a load of money converting 2 bikes to 10 speed!

Its nice looking kit though

I like the looks on the cranks.

The SRAM fanbois "well it's still not got a 10 tooth, lots more range on SRAM"

If I want more range I'll put a double on the front. I'd rather have a 12 or 13 tooth than an 11, then a smoother cassette with smaller jumps.

But then I'm a Luddite.

More range on shimano really designed with more than just 1x in mind its available still in double & triple chainsets as well.

good info, thanks for sharing rottweiler

so when the time comes I'll just need a shifter, rear mech and cassette

should work fine on existing 10sp freehub and a SSC narrow-wide ring?

11-42t with Shimano quality will do me fine

should work fine on existing 10sp freehub and a SSC narrow-wide ring?
11-42t with Shimano quality will do me fine

Correct!

Why? X0 cost more than XTR previously, let alone XX! X9 has always been between XT and XTR etc. It's basically the same price as GX.

SRAM pricing has always been odd, people try and correlate to Shimano hierarchies (which are nice and clear), but IMO that doesn't really stack up!

Exactly this. GX with the 1000 series chainset works out at £360 RRP (Without BB) so for the first time in a long time they have 2 groupsets that line up head to head in that respect.

Well....I'm not buying Sram now for sure. This is brilliant! Glad to see one major company trying to keep costs down to a sane level! 75 quid for a cassette is just about acceptable!

This will be going on my Nukeproof Scout build! 😀

I think the cranks look lovely...much nicer than the XTR ones. I think this'll win Shimano lot of fans - 11 speed with good range for sensible money. It's also compatible with traditional cassettes. I just wish they'd go the other way with their shifters making them more definitive in the shift.

I'm a big Sram fan and love the clunkiness of their shift action. I also prefer the ergonomics of their shifters having said that, after 10 years or so on Sram I switched back to Shimano last year because their clutch mechs are better and make my bikes quieter. Will be interesting to see what Sram do now. I wonder if they've got a cheaper 11 speed groupset waiting to go just in case something like this happens.

I'll probably make the change once there are more 11 speed chains...I hate Shiamno chains.

Rescue and then kill it again in 2017 with 11 speed SLX.

And revive it again with Di2 XT 😉

More range on shimano really designed with more than just 1x in mind its available still in double & triple chainsets as well.

GX has a double now doesn't it? Yeah shim have 3x but who is that aimed at?

Having just bought a bike bedecked in SRAM X01 (my first SRAM and my first 1x setup) and rather liking it, I'm not full of angst about this launch. More choice is great for anyone building a bike up right now. You can bet you'll see this group on loads of 2106 bikes announced at Sea Otter, Eurobike, Interbike etc. Shimano have done a great job here. It's be bombproof, too. And I agree, the cranks look lovely.

rhayter, for you maybe not a big deal. But have you seen the price of XO1 mechs? I regularly murder rear derailleurs to death, XT 11 speed will be great! And the cheaper cassettes will be brilliant for mile munching! X01 cassettes are double the cost!

This is great news.

11?

FFS, I'm still working through my stash of 9 speed...

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I've rarely read as much guff as that wot is printer in the shimano launch text that I have just read on pinkbike.

Trail rated for power

optimized, shallow slant angle

Rider Tuned 11-speed

FFS, I'm still working through my stash of 9 speed...

Ride more! 🙄

I'll probably make the change once there are more 11 speed chains...I hate Shiamno chains.

Poor as Shimano chains are, with KMC and SRAM both doing decent, affordable 11spd chains that are readily available now, I don't see what's stopping you...

Great to hear that Shimano are stepping in the right direction again, but I do still think there's a gaping hole in the market for an 11-40 or 11-42 SLX or Deore level 10spd cassette right now. Not everyone is bothered by the arms race of having yet more and more gears, but for most of us, range is crucial.

bet that cassettes a boat anchor,

Yeah shim have 3x but who is that aimed at?

Elderly Germans on Santos touring bikes.

Great to hear that Shimano are stepping in the right direction again, but I do still think there's a gaping hole in the market for an 11-40 or 11-42 SLX or Deore level 10spd cassette right now. Not everyone is bothered by the arms race of having yet more and more gears, but for most of us, range is crucial.

Never going to happen, not from either of the big S's... Their rather obvious philosophy will always be, [i]"if you want more range buy one of our lovely new groupsets with extra cogs..."[/i]

Why help you nurse "old" drivetrains for several more years when they make more money flogging you a whole new one, ideally fitted to a shiny new dandyhorse...

What's all the fuss about?

Looks nice..

@ Tom_W1987
Don't get me wrong; it IS a big deal – brilliant kit* that's comparatively affordable. Excellent stuff. I only got X01 because it came on the bike I bought. I've never mangled a derailleur in 20+ years of rising, so I've been lucky...

*assuming it's up to Shimano's usual standard.

I'm still not seeing what the benefit of going from a 3x10 to a 1x11 setup is, apart from a weight saving perhaps?

Assuming you run a NW chainring, and don't need a chain device. You save the weight of a shifter, two chain rings and a front derailleur. Not to mention a bit of cable..
what we talking here? 450g? How far off the gearing is it from the granny gear on a 3x10 setup?

I'm assuming the new XT 2x11 still wont work on a 5?

I'm still not seeing what the benefit of going from a 3x10 to a 1x11 setup is, apart from a weight saving perhaps?

Not to cover all the ground of all the other threads...

Having a linear path through the gears is great, the jumps are much smaller than touching a front mech.
The range is really really good, and only has 1 of each gear rather than a huge overlap.
You get chain security, less excess chain due to having to accommodate gears you will never use and better clearance from getting rid of the 40+t ring.

On this it's good but still not awesome. Great on a budget but still seeing the 10t as the killer feature from SRAM, the difference at the top there allowing a lower front ring to be used is key to making the 1x work.

Tom_W1987 - Member
... But have you seen the price of XO1 mechs? I regularly murder rear derailleurs to death,

Perhaps not to speak out of turn but that may be you not the mech? Once is unlucky, twice is careless, three times?

will definitely be saving up for 2 x 11 xt for my old duster bike. the groupset looks lovely,and reasonably priced too 😀

racefaceec90 - Member
will definitely be saving up for 2 x 11 xt for my old duster bike.

Now please don't take this the wrong get way but what does 2x11 give you over 2x10? Considering you can run 24/39 up front as a spread does the 40t rear add enough to go for the 11sp?

42 Cassette is only for the 1 ring setup this was due to the chain length i believe being to long and creating too much slap. (no one likes it slapping about)

😯

FFS, I'm still working through my stash of 9 speed...

That'll take a while, as 9 speed lasts forever!

Phew nearly did £130 on a xtr 11 cassette a few weeks back - and thats only 40t
(I'm in the 40-42T gear camp for get you home after you've gone up the hills in the others BTW.)

So this is great...a lot more choice for us and its reasonablish in price.

9 Speed XT rocks! I'm pretty happy with it on my hardtail, the shifting is very light and smooth, better than the SRAMesque shifting on 10 speed XT IMHO.

That'll take a while, as 9 speed lasts forever!

Ha, even I remember people being up in arms about how terrible longevity was on 9 speed compared to 8!

[i]That'll take a while, as 9 speed lasts forever! [/i]

I'll say - I'm still using up my CRC Flood Sale stuff.

Wear out damn you.

I'm getting way more life out of my 10 speed stuff than I ever did my 9 speed stuff. 2 years on my current cassette, had one that lasted 3 years already.

Liking the look of that, was going to switch 2 bikes to 1x10 in the next couple of weeks think I'll just do 1 and switch the other to 1x11 next year instead.

I'm still not seeing what the benefit of going from a 3x10 to a 1x11 setup is, apart from a weight saving perhaps?

FFS, I'm still working through my stash of 9 speed...

I have 9 speed too. It's a pain having several bikes of different ages with different numbers of cogs when trying to bodge one together for this weekend.

The wheels I want to use are modern and have one more cog than the 8 speed shifters on the bike I want to bring.

<cough> still on 8 speed here, one cassette and chain left <cough>

Ha, even I remember people being up in arms about how terrible longevity was on 9 speed compared to 8!

8 speed doesn't last nearly as well as 7 speed...

I have 9 speed too. It's a pain having several bikes of different ages with different numbers of cogs when trying to bodge one together for this weekend.

The wheels I want to use are modern and have one more cog than the 8 speed shifters on the bike I want to bring.

But exactly the same freehub body, so why can't you just swap cassette?

Poor as Shimano chains are, with KMC and SRAM both doing decent, affordable 11spd chains that are readily available now, I don't see what's stopping you

I'd ignored Sram chains because I thought they had the funny profile to work with their XX1 chainrings.

Ideally I'd want the Shimano 11 speed cassette / mech and shifer with a Sram / KMC chain with a narrow wide ring.

The only downsides are that the rear mech looks a bit naff and I'm put off slightly by the even lighter shift action. I wonder if they'll do an 11 speed Saint / Zee drive train with a firmer / clunkier shift action?

Thankyou Shimano!...currently acquiring parts for a new FS build and have been agonising over the groupset, didnt want to go with the exorbitant SRAM 11-speed prices and didnt want to go mucking around with range extenders, cages, etc and stay 10-speed....Shimano swoop in to the rescue, i'll be on SLX cranks, a SS n/w ring with the new XT 11-speed cassette, mech and shifter....perfect and a fraction of the price SRAM wanted.

Is there any chance a 10speed mech will work with the new 11speed shifters, like they do with sram 9speed shifters?

Well I'm going to stop checking my chain on my 1x9 now. Had thought about going 10 speed but I was waiting for the 9 speed to wear out, I'm glad it hasn't yet.
Still overall I'd rather Shimano made me a version of my Rohloff which was just as reliable but lighter.

Is there any chance a 10speed mech will work with the new 11speed shifters, like they do with sram 9speed shifters?

Someone on here reckoned so, yes. Not seen or tried it first hand.

I'd ignored Sram chains because I thought they had the funny profile to work with their XX1 chainrings.

They don't.

Ideally I'd want the Shimano 11 speed cassette / mech and shifer with a Sram / KMC chain with a narrow wide ring.

Yep, that'll work.

When is 11-40 happening in 10 speed?

I'm sure Shimano could shift thousands of them, or are they just trying to encourage people to 11 speed

so..... when can we buy it? later this year or early next?

I'm sure Shimano could shift thousands of them, or are they just trying to encourage people to 11 speed

Of course they are! It's the USP of 11 speed. In the same way they could do 9 speed clutch mechs. But they won't.