[Closed] 11 Speed XT

Apparently, you can't use the 11-42 cassette on a 2x setup. Why, exactly?

Shimano have implied that the 42-11 cassette is 1x only (with HG-X11 specific tooth profile), reserving the 40-11 cassette for 2x and 3x applications.

rhayter - you've got that the wrong way round, the 11-42 cassette is ONLY for use in 1x setups, not for use with the double or triples.

Shimano have implied that the 42-11 cassette is 1x only (with HG-X11 specific tooth profile), reserving the 40-11 cassette for 2x and 3x applications.

I read it as the 42t max cassette was 1x only, unless they've edited it?

edit: simultaneous repetition fail!

Looks good though

Yeah, you're right. So I edited my post to not look like such a schmuck.

Didn't work.

oooooh interesting! the cassettes all im interested in

so I can get a 11-42 xt cassette for £75 (without any discounts!) it will now be cheaper to swap freehub to shimano freehub and get a cassette over buying a xx1 cassette

(ok so ill lose the 10th, but not arsed about that!)

I guess this will mostly wipe xx1/x01 out of the game again

Looks really good that, great pricing too

Mech sizes I'm guessing as to why it's 1x only.

Odd they say it won't work with M9000, and yet M9000 mechs work flawlessly on XX1 cassettes. Presumably an even more expensive M9001 11-42 is on the way to cater for that market.

In a few posts no-one will notice & it'll be buried under arguments about enduro specific groupsets or something 😉

Remember that XTR is aimed at racers Nick. Shimano may reason that racers don't need a 42T and that XT is good enough for us mere mortals wanting bigger cassettes.

Remember that XTR is aimed at racers Nick. Shimano may reason that racers don't need a 42T and that XT is good enough for us mere mortals wanting bigger cassettes.

Which I think makes sense - there's been a lot of hand wringing on here about it previously though! I'm happy using SRAM cassette for the extra range and lower weight. It just seems a little underhand that:

- they didn't do an M9000 11-42 because the gaps were too big
- now they've decided the gaps aren't too big it's not compatible with M9000, despite the fact it really is.

Odd they say it won't work with M9000, and yet M9000 mechs work flawlessly on XX1 cassettes

It's probably in the same way that they say an SS cage won't work with a 36t or more cassette and yet I am running my SS XTR on a 11-40t perfectly.

SRAM will have to do something about the pricing on X01 and X1, surely? The RRPs quoted here: http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/shimano-deore-xt-m8000-11-speed-first-look-44084/ make both look hideously overpriced.

Maybe it doesn't work to Shimano's standards, which are notoriously high, but in reality an XTR mech will be fine.

Looks like the 2nd generation of this will be going on my next bike!

And where's everyone from the "amazing technology on a Sram Deore cassette" thread not that XT have undercut Sram's budget option by £30 with a high level product?

It'll be interesting to see how this prices up vs SRAM GX on the likes of CRC.

Can you run the new XT chain on a "normal" narrow wide chainring? I'd say probably.

So using existing cranks and say a superstar NW ring you can make the leap to 1x11 for about 200 quid.

That's somewhat of a bargain!*

*comepared to SRAM's offerings and other new stuff on the market...

A surprise indeed and welcomed by me. Should be very widely available by this time next year when I'm likely to want it.

SRAM will have to do something about the pricing on X01 and X1, surely?

Why? X0 cost more than XTR previously, let alone XX! X9 has always been between XT and XTR etc. It's basically the same price as GX.

SRAM pricing has always been odd, people try and correlate to Shimano hierarchies (which are nice and clear), but IMO that doesn't really stack up!

and SRAM still have that 10t cog. Everyone focuses on the 42 end of the cassette but that 10 is just as significant.

Not to me.

and SRAM still have that 10t cog. Everyone focuses on the 42 end of the cassette but that 10 is just as significant.

I wonder if the the new 44T One Up sprocket would fit on in place of the 42 on the XT cassette. Means you should get similar range as a SRAM 10-42 while running a bigger ring up front. Cost wise it would work out cheaper than running the XT kit on a SRAM 10-42 cassette.

Not to me.

Except it allows you to run a smaller chainring, effectively making the other end even bigger. Shimano would need an 11-46 to get the same range.

I wonder if the the new 44T One Up sprocket would fit on in place of the 42 on the XT cassette

No chance! They're entirely different construction and the XT will need the offset in order to fit on a conventional freehub body. Still narrower range too.

Very, very excited by this. Glad I didn't buy that 2 X 10 XT groupset now!

Does it come in silver and black like the M780/785 groupset or just black?

[i]The extra space needed for that extra gear is taken by riding the cassette up the spokes a little. [/i]

what?

I think the XT crank also looks nicer than the new xtr cranks

No chance! They're entirely different construction and the XT will need the offset in order to fit on a conventional freehub body. Still narrower range too.

In that case, I wonder how long until One Up do a 44 tooth shimano fitting to do exactly as I suggest above?

Rubber_Buccaneer - Member
and SRAM still have that 10t cog. Everyone focuses on the 42 end of the cassette but that 10 is just as significant.

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teethgrinder - Member
Not to me.

the lower end of the cassette is more important. 10% difference between 10 and 11 not much difference between 40 and 42!

what?

The largest sprocket if offset, if effectively 'overhangs' the flange on the rear hub - using the space created by the angle of the spokes. It's how they've done 11 speed cassettes on the old freehub body.

In that case, I wonder how long until One Up do a 44 tooth shimano fitting to do exactly as I suggest above?

Is the 42 a separate sprocket? I know the 40t is on XTR, so seems plausible.

So could I run the new 11-42 cassette on my 10spd system thus not having to piece together expander / 16t etc.

Is the 42 a separate sprocket? I know the 40t is on XTR, so seems plausible.

aaahh, right I get it, thanks njee20.

The Xt is just available in the one colour option, the shifters are 30% ligther action with 20& less movement to get your gear a bit like XTR.

The side swing front mech is awsweome gives real positive shift and more clearance on the gears so less chain rub on extremes.

42 Cassette is only for the 1 ring setup this was due to the chain length i believe being to long and creating too much slap. (no one likes it slapping about)

Rear mech has external adjuster now for the clutch spring.

The side swing mechs are also designed to work with specific chainsets the pickups are in a different place to normal.

Brakes are pretty much unchanged just a slightly different bite point to previous models.

When you ride it is very light weight shift and feels really positive this will definitely be a big groupset for Shimano and will set the bench mark.

Don't rate the pedals.

a good shot at rescuing xt really, as slx had pretty much made it irrelevant in aftermarket terms (OEM on complete bikes still get's showroom kudos I s'pose).

be good for the carbon race 29er I'm not allowed to buy. Hmmmmm.

As with xtr the cassette still uses the 10spd body the offset on the last ring sits over the top of the spokes so no need for daft expensive body changes

Is the 42 a separate sprocket? I know the 40t is on XTR, so seems plausible.

a good shot at rescuing xt really, as slx had pretty much made it irrelevant in aftermarket terms (OEM on complete bikes still get's showroom kudos I s'pose).

So could I run the new 11-42 cassette on my 10spd system thus not having to piece together expander / 16t etc.

You need a new chain, rear mech and shifter, but no new freehub body. So... sort of.

All I want is xt cassette and rear mech with xtr shifter. Then I'll use any old chain and ring same as usual.

Go on then, that'll be no problem... 😕

maes you wonder why they bother with twp pricepoints between budget and race. I guess they know better than me though

(thinking about it 2 x product launches every 2 years pays for the 2 x tooling and the r&d's pretty much nonexistant at that point- doh)

My initial thoughts;

- It looks a lot prettier than XTR
- I don't get the get the 'it's killed SRAM 11-speed', as pointed out, a 10 versus 11 tooth sprocket adds a lot of range (because maths).
- The rear mech looks as though it still has a cheap and nasty plastic clutch switch - the low end Zee gets a nice metal one - why?
- Hope I'm reading it wrong that the shifter has lost multishifting down the block - I do that all the time.

Cool, I fancy some 11 speed on the XC bike but don't fancy getting uber mega spendy, Been holding out for the new brakes. I'm still confused by the cassette situation though. I assume you can run the 40/11 on a single? This would suit me better when I'm mincing about, 36/11 is perfect for racing but it can be a drag on longer rides as I've got a 34 up front, one moar click would be nice.

EDIT - Nevermind, there's been about 40 replies since I started typing, I got distracted...

well thats me not buying the xtr 11speed stuff now......

this looks exactly what im after at an affordable price 🙂

Great, back to Shimano for me - should work out quite well with the timing when I wear out my XX1 cassette 🙂

XTR shifter & mech, XT cassette. sorted. Just don't listen to my inner weight weenie. it's going to be a bucketload heavier than the XX1 cassette.