Yeah, needs someone chasing it/us 😉
I think, having lost 10kg, trying to lose another 10kg in 10 weeks, you're asking for trouble.
YOur body is going to prevent you from shedding even more weight and you'll likely lose muscle mass as much as fat, if not more.
Meaning you'll be even worse on the hill climbs; your heart is a muscle if you'd forgotten.
YOu'll also be training on an empty tank, a rubbish way to train, or try to train, for a mtn bike endurance event.
If no one else is going to do the admin I'm up for doleing out the ritual humiliation to the fatties amongst us each week.
E-mail me your current weight and your 10 week target (or I'll use 10kg/10 weeks as a default). If you've got it, body fat% as well.
thisisnotaspoon@yahoo.co.uk
Weigh ins are due on Tuesday mornings.
Is it not worth having a word with Ian Pinder who took over STW Fatclub? Or is this just a short term thing?
Depending on what weight you're starting on, it should be fairly easy.
A mate went from 80kg to 70kg in under 2 months, doing nothing but 2 or 3 boxing sessions a week, a bit of running, and watching what he ate.
So far then...
Me
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Chucky (aka Vortex Racing)
tiger_roach
Swift
takisawa2
TheDoctor
AndrewBF (5kg)
lrd (5kg)
Weigh ins on Tuesday (starting tomorrow) email thisisnotaspoon thisisnotaspoon@yahoo.co.uk
paleo diet should do it. google 'hunter/gatherer diet' or somesuch. if you exercise intensely you'll get good results with no lean muscle loss.
you may have to learn the meaning of the word [i]ketosis[/i] though, although some researchers suggest those concerns may not be well-founded.
I can fluctuate 3kg in a week in either direction. I'd love to lose 10kg in 10 weeks but my weight is so unstable that it seems mad to measure it!
I'm in, I'm 90 kg and 5ft6 nearly as wide as I am tall. I should be more like 68 KG, but losing 10 KG would be a great start. How do we proceed?
monksie - MemberYou know what TJ - what do I know? Ignore me. I have an academic and personal interest in keeping up to date with research in a wide area of sports science and inparticularly physiology.
You have stuff you've read - no competition. I know when I'm beat.
Your changes in opinion and back tracking give me whiplash.
monksie, didnt you know, TJ is the STW expert on everything, how dare you even question him. In my experience he knows the most about engineering, human biology, sociology, mental health, fitness and law. I'll remember some more areas of his excellence when I've had time to get over the magnitude of his greatness in just these few areas. I think he is a polymath which is why he is so incredibly successful.
Is it not worth having a word with Ian Pinder who took over STW Fatclub? Or is this just a short term thing?
Short term thing, if your still fat in 10 weeks that's your problem! I'm just after a 6-pack for the beach 😀
I am/was on the STW fat club but the weigh in day wasn't convenient for me and I generaly lost interest early on.
MMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................ketosis
Ok, i am in for a short term thing. Could do with dropping 4KG in 4 weeks 😉
Will email tomorrow.
Always been curious whether cutting my carb intake would actually make much of a difference to weight loss and training ability. Only ever going to be short term tho as love cake too much.
Right my plan is to carry on what I'm doing (it's kinda working, 10kg so far)
Thats ~1750-2000 cals per day
Running 20-30 mins 2 times a week.
Turbo 45-60 mins 3 times a week.
Game of squash once a week. (Time allowing)
Bike 2-3hr ride once a week (alhough injured at the moment so upping turbo time)
All of this apart from the Bike ride tends to be at over 80% Heart rate so gonna try and calm this down to burn fat
I'm in, i have also taken over the admin from stw fat club so we will be back up to speed next week.
Righty, for those of you who haven't e-mailed me, and don't have visible e-mails, make sure you ping me one tomorrow morning.
Let the piss taking and fattist abuse begin. 🙂
Will mail you in the morning TINAS, post pi$$, but before breakie and dump.
I got the email and resent being called a fatty. I am big boned!
Oh and will have to leave the fat % off as have no way to test.
Just been weighed and as like a few others i'm 5'6'' and (according to Hospital scales a smidgen under 13 stone). Room for another hobbit??
Need to ride more and eat less, tho in my piteous defence had carpal tunnel op 16th March which has kept me off bike for while....
Oh and will have to leave the fat % off as have no way to test.
same here jamie
body fat % was just out of interest to see if this quick diet malarkey really does just loose muscle or whether we actually shift some ben&jerries from our collective waistlines.
If it turns out we all loose 10kg of mucle each and end up in a worse state than we started the result will be quietly buried and not seen in the light of day. If however its all bye bye blubber, then we can collectively mock TJ. Nothing like a bit of scientific research ehh?
Email recieved.
Will get on the weighbridge in the morning.
I once worked on the development of an accurate body fat analyser for a large UK pharma. Eventually they dropped it because they are not in in any way accurate. They are wildly out so don't believe any of it. The only really accurate way to measure body fat (i.e. within about 10% error) is a combination of water displacement to measure volume, accurate body mass, calipers to measure body dimensions and MRI with hours of image analysis to estimate proportions of bone/organs/muscle/fat/fluids/tendons/and gawd knows what other tissue.
@Toys
That is why i have never invested in anything like that. I suppose the only consolation is that even though the initial reading is wrong, subsequent readings give you an accurate result based on that lie.
Or is this wrong?
Say the first result was 14%, despite that being inaccurate if you measured next week and it was 12% would that be a actual 2% drop or would all readings be wrong?
Think those things work on conductivity don't they - so presumably your water content/palm sweatiness would affect the reading?
All I know is I was so buff and manly (ahem) that the one in boots wouldn't give me a reading...
Nope, any perceived accuracy or consistency is just coincidence. Honest. I worked with a professor at Sheffield Uni who developed a body fat circuit for us, he was an expert in measuring electrical signals and resistance in the body mostly for heart monitoring apps. This was his lifes work, and he told us at the beginning that the concept of electrical resistance measurement of body fat was bordering on bunkem but we paid him to look into it further anyway because the Pharma co wanted a device.. Anyway he proved comprehensively that it was just impossible as the variation in the body from day to day, and person to person (water, skin conductivity etc etc) enormous.. The commercial ones available at the time were also tested rigorously. They all use the same ish method to measure resistance and many have fudges built into them to correct all readings to be within an acceptable range (like 5%-35%). The actual raw unfudged readings varied from next to nothing to nearly 100%. So it's frankly bollocks.
Well mine says I'm arround 20kg of fat and never varies by much, which is probably an over estimate, but not wildly. If I can ge that down to under 10 I'd be happy and might encourage me to trim it right back to the magic 4% next year.
Maybe we could just grab the offending 'spare tyre' and see how much it fills the hand.
You know, the same way we measure womens puppies 😆
The doc's rely on caliper measurements so it's seems like a fair idea.
toys is probably right, my scales seem to give a different reading for body fat% based on how fit you are, if you tell it your fit it knocks 5% off your body fat :p
Interestingly, we did this locally here 3 yrs ago. As it turned out, only 2 in 5 had their height down correctly, which surprised me somewhat.
Up against the wall, no shoes or socks, have someone else trace a line / make a dot (whatever) on the wall, then measure that. I wonder how many are wrong? The older you get, the shorter you become. I'd lost almost 1/2 an inch since my early 20's it seemed! (5:10:5 down from 5:11)
I wanted to lose 1/2 stone - get me to 10.5 stone. Been riding on and off road 5 or 6 days a week since February and have managed to put on 1/2 stone 🙄
My problem is I lack discipline when it comes to beer and wine. That combined with wanting to eat the cupboards bare after a long ride have conspired to make me fitter but heavier. Typical.
That combined with wanting to eat the cupboards bare after a long ride have conspired to make me fitter but heavier.
I am the same. The other week i did a 10k with mates who are leaner than me and i finished in 41:59 and the closest of them to me was 46mins.....and yet my cake habit means i am the one who looks like they have driven there to cheer everyone on 😉
toys19 - Member
The only really accurate way to measure body fat (i.e. within about 10% error) is a combination of water displacement to measure volume, accurate body mass, calipers to measure body dimensions and MRI with hours of image analysis to estimate proportions of bone/organs/muscle/fat/fluids/tendons/and gawd knows what other tissue.
I thought DEXA scanners were pretty accurate these days? Mind you, not everyone has one lying around... 😉
monksie - if you are going to be quite so rude about something I say then you should explain some of the utter crap that you do say.
i too have an acedemic and professional interest in nutrition nd I do not say such clear rubbish as this.
Critically, during these sessions, protien heavy intake will help massively as protien is leached from the cells madly during this kind of exercise and taking protien during will vastly lessen recovery time so that you can get back into your low zone work sooner with less discomfort, thereby making your subsequent sessions more effective.
Please explain how protein can leach out of cells? that really is utter pish. Like much else of what you say. Typical amateur who has no understanding.
TJ did you just come back to this thread to stir trouble, you've already made that point about monksies post on page 1, no need to come back to the thread to kick up the same argument.
I thought DEXA scanners were pretty accurate these days? Mind you, not everyone has one lying around...
Caveat. I am an engineer not a biologist, but I did learn some stuff pretty fast on this project. I was doing this 10 years ago. A quick google of [url= http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_energy_X-ray_absorptiometry ]dexa scanners[/url] shows that they can do body fat reasonably well but it does depend quite strongly on hydration level. Looks like a nice technique, I agree with you not everyone has one lying around.
You'll never achieve this with a resistance measurement method.
I see the Bully is Back. TJ why can you not at least practice what you preach?
Anyway here is my balanced lunch.
200g of grilled chicken breast
leaf salad
Muller light
Blueberries
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Ok guys - I just read the thread again and Monksie and toys19 were both laying into me in a rather nasty manner after I last saw the thread which after monksies stupid post which he neither justified or corrected I found a bit off.
I have made my point then. Toys - call me a bully - go back and reaed the nasty stuff you posted about me
It's bad enough that we are dieting like women, handbags at dawn ladies 😆
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Brekie: asda smart price sawdust (aka: vitality, special k, rice flakes, etc)
Lunch: About 200g of pasta and cous-cous, and a bit of spinnach.
Dinner: Probably soup and a couple of rolls
25g whey protein after swimming and 25g after gym tonight, plus a multi vit, condroitin for my knee, and some vit C and zinc so my imune system doesnt take a knock.
I've just had chicken salad followed by a yoghurt as well Tiger.
Off out up to Farleton knott tonight on the BFe for some fun and 50 mile commute tomorrow.
I had better look like an Greek Adonis after all this hardwork/sacrifice.
Looking outside the window and it's a perfect lunctime for a cold 'Newcy brown' in the beer garden. 😥
25g whey protein after swimming and 25g after gym tonight, plus a multi vit, condroitin for my knee, and some vit C and zinc so my imune system doesnt take a knock.
Bloody hell thats sounds serious TINAS. am I going to have to resort to that stuff?
It's Ok international rescue has found my handbag, I feel more magnanimous now..
I'm off for steak and salad - no carbs.
I'm in but snapped my medial ligament on my knee a week ago so can only do light training rides to get my strength back.
Will start tomorrow!
Bugger - discipline let me down again at lunchtime = 1 totally delicious and rather large bacon and fried egg bun.
Oh well I rode in to work today and riding home the long way plus a 15-20k XC ride planned for this evening with a friend so I'm not feeling too guilty.
25g whey protein after swimming and 25g after gym tonight, plus a multi vit, condroitin for my knee, and some vit C and zinc so my imune system doesnt take a knock.
I really don't get all this stuff.
So if I go on the turbo tonight for an hour should I drink some whey after and what will it do?
Do I have to include it in my 2000 cals per day?
Should I drink some before?
Should I drink some after?
Is it better than Guinness?
