Not In My Name: Trans Athlete Bans

Really? You don’t see the increasing divisive politicisation of the LGBTQ+ community?

That’s not quite straightforward to answer, because there are some areas of politicisation but they’re quite specific, such as things rainper has talked about.

But my short answer is no, not in any way that does or could potentially relate to sport (except for what the OP and thread is about).

I disagree that sport has been “selected” as a proxy battle ground for anything else. I think it’s exactly what it purports to be – one part of the broader discussion around women’s rights versus trans women’s rights.

This even extends to within the LBGTQ+ community, where many trans rights activists are strongly opposed to lesbian women meeting at all unless they include ‘male lesbians’. In recent years in some countries, eg Australia and some US states, it’s actually been made illegal for lesbian women to meet in this way. It’s a real and imminent threat to many people.

The one mainstream area of debate where it’s not about women’s rights is the question of child transition. I’ve seen you write a lot about this personally, so I have some small idea of that you’ve been through. All I want to say about this is that I hope it brings your son the happiness he deserves.

*so it turns out I didn’t know what purports means 🙂 I meant exactly what it says it is

I’d suggest it already is, where prominent athletes and ex-athletes are vehemently against transathletes ostensibly on the basis of competition but scratch below the surface and there’s a nasty smell.

I think thats an oversimplification. After all its not “transathletes” but mtf transathletes.
Its certainly being exploited by some groups who do see it as an opportunity to if not gain some votes at least persuade some women not to vote but going for the “nasty smell” with regards to those prominent athletes is problematic.

Tell me again about how inclusive we are, about how people should be free to live their lives. The indicators are all in the wrong direction for one section of the community. Is anyone surprised by these survey results.

https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/bsa-40-liberalisation-attitudes

Tell me again about how inclusive we are, about how people should be free to live their lives. The indicators are all in the wrong direction for one section of the community.

You’re comparing results of surveys that bear no relation to one another – one has data going back to early 1980s, the other has data going back to 2019. Come back in 34 years time and see where we’re at.

It’s only in recent years that the Trans debate has come into mainstream media so attitudes are bound to spike.

Back in the 80s the only time any such thing was talked about was when someone chatted a ‘bird’ up in a nightclub only to be a little surprised later in the evening.

What has changed that opinion?

Linguistics? I reckon that more folk than ever have become aware of the difference between sex and gender due to the ongoing debates. If that same question was about gender then it may have ellicited a different response.

Linguistics? I reckon that more folk than ever have become aware of the difference between sex and gender due to the ongoing debates. If that same question was about gender then it may have ellicited a different response.

I don’t think a proportion of the population at least does make such a differentiation – and in any case the report says ‘transgender’ which despite saying gender doesn’t really differentiate

“64% describe themselves as not prejudiced at all against people who are transgender, a decline of 18 percentage points since 2019 (82%)”

In the same spirit as looking like, quacking like – we can try to rationalise by language and methodologies, but the reality is pretty clear to anyone close to it, and being driven further by (RW) <span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>politicians, the mainstream press, and personalities.</span>