So says the BBC.

“Scientists studied more than 1,000 healthy joggers and non-joggers over a 12-year period.

Those who jogged at a steady pace for less than two and a half hours a week were least likely to die in this time.

But those who ran more than four hours a week or did no exercise had the highest death rates.”

I run, not jog, so consider myself safe. I assume that the deaths in joggers are caused by boredom.

Increasingly it’s shown that too much exercise is associated with a higher than normal incidence of heart problems. What additional factors that have a causal relationship aren’t fully understood – even in specific cases like HCM and ARVC.

It’s a very hard message to take that exercise is bad for you and is to be avoided. Try not to be so glib.

those who ran more than four hours a week

and as a runner, you are safe. ok.

So says the BBC.

So says the British Heart Foundation actually

As mentioned in the other thread theres nothing in the story that says how many of the people in the trial died, or what they died of. Unless the trial sampled groups that were either old or ill when the trial started then very few would have died in that timeframe. It wasn’t a BHF trial, we’re being allowed to assume the story is heart related, but nothing in the story suggests it is other than BHF’s supplied quotes

Give yourself up, you’ll have more energy and lose those black rings around your eyes.

doing anything to excess might kill you or at least shorten your life… I recall a quote about marathon runners taking five minutes off their lives every marathon? or some such thing.

Just read the NHS thing, it wasn’t a good study

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/02February/Pages/Strenuous-jogging-as-bad-as-doing-no-exercise-claim.aspx

They got it wrong – they should have surveyed death rates in joggers who wear flouro jackets and joggers who don’t; everybody knows that, like our parents’ St Christopher dashboard medals, a flouro jacket protects you from accidental death or injury and even gives you instant authority over motorists, pedestrians, factory visitors, fork truck drivers, etc. etc.

As the wise Bill Hicks said

“Does anyone remember this, when Yul Brynner died, and came out with that commercial after he was dead? ‘I’m Yul Brynner and I’m dead now.‘

What the ****’s this guy selling? I’m all ears.

‘I’m Yul Brynner and I’m dead now, because I smoked cigarettes.’

Okay, pretty scary. But they coulda done that with anybody. They coulda done it with that Jim Fixx guy, too, just as easily. Remember that guy, that health nut who died while jogging? I don’t remember seeing his commercial. ‘I’m Jim Fixx and I’m dead now. And I don’t know what the **** happened. I jogged every day, ate nothing but tofu, swam five hundred laps every morning, and I’m dead. Yul Brynner drank, smoke, and got laid every night of his life… he’s dead.

Shit.

Yul Brynner’s smokin’, drinkin’, girls are sitting on his cueball noggin every night of his life! I’m running around a dewy track at dawn. And we’re both ****in’ dead. Goddammit.

Yul used to pass me on his way home in the morning, big long limousine, two girls blowing him, cigarette in one hand, drink in the other. “One day that life is going to get to you, Yul.” ‘

They’re both dead. Yeah, but what a healthy looking corpse you were, Jim. Look at the hamstrings on that corpse! Look at the sloppy grin on Yul’s corpse! Yul Brynner lived his life. Sure, he died a 78-pound stick figure, okay. There are certain drawbacks.”

my cardiologist told me the people who do endurance type sports are more prone to certain heart problems (in my case AF), than people who lead a more sedentary life.

I would not argue with a cardiologist.

As the wise Bill Hicks said

Not entirely convinced he was all that wise tbh.

Publish or die. Safe in the knowledge that the BBC will do an article on your work however nonsensical, contrived, biased or worthless your publication.

Publish or die. Safe in the knowledge that the BBC will do an article on your work however nonsensical, contrived, biased or worthless your publication.

+1 to that. I’m even having doubts now about the integrity of the Today programme on Radio 4.

Publish or die. Safe in the knowledge that the BBC will do an article on your work however nonsensical, contrived, biased or worthless your publication.

Haven’t there been a few miscreants who have designed a program that creates bogus and totally ridiculous scientific/engineering papers and had them published to prove a point?

just like the paper that said fat is good for you

Too much of anything generally kills you. Though I don’t mind if it’s too much of something fun.

Long life however seems to be down to keeping active both mentally and physically, so long as you don’t have the C word or other underlying illnesses. Don’t have to be massively fit though, but take it too far the other way and sit on the sofa all the time you won’t last long. That’s why I’d like to avoid an old folks home if I can and stay active. I’ve seen people once they go in them and sat in a chair all day vegetating. They don’t last long. Though lose your marbles and you may have no choice.

Interesting though that with animals, often when they are wild animals in captivity or even domestic animals that are kept in the house, they tend to live much longer. Though probably because otherwise they get eaten (or run over if a domestic animal).

You can find a study to say whatever you like. Lots of messy data and stats its always going to take a while to get to the truth.

Elite athletes live longer than the general population: a meta-analysis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25128074

Competitive sports and the heart: benefit or risk?
“Competitive exercise does not induce cardiac damage in individuals with healthy hearts, but does induce physiological functional and structural cardiac adaptations which have positive effects on life expectancy.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23450998

Women live longer. Maybe getting a sex change is the best option 😉

Interesting though that with animals, often when they are wild animals in captivity or even domestic animals that are kept in the house, they tend to live much longer. Though probably because otherwise they get eaten (or run over if a domestic animal).

Hardly surprising really! Sat here watching two cats, with endless jabs, inoculations and flea treatments, basking in front of a nice warm fire rather than shivering under a tree outside in sub zero temps being eaten alive by lice, fleas, ticks, ringworm etc!

With that kind of logic you are half way there 😉

Increased or city etc Jogging+next to roads+diesels=

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0512ln0#auto

Macavity has it.

“More or less” programme on Radio 4just tore this apart and explained the flawed statistical conclusion.

What jobro said

Plus Jim Fixx had serious heredity heart problems (his father died in his 30’s) I suspect “jogging” extended his life rather than shortened it.

More or Less was excellent on this

36 people … 2 of them died but no idea why…could have been plane crash or leprosy.

Was just about to say what more or less, macavity, jobro and surfer said. And in fact what the statistical analysis on the original study said.

There is just too much to worry about these days