Holy shitballs!

It was demoing a FIFA World Cup vid, so clips from games etc, and the quality and detail is absolutely incredible. I mean almost being there.

Not sure what the situation is with 4K source material, to buy/broadcasts, but it’s the first time a bit of technology has made me go slack jawed.

I am now off to glare passive aggressively at my Samsung 32″ piece of crap 😡

p.s Think it was this one. Amusingly, it’s almost £4k.

4k?

Jesus, you could buy 2 entry level bikes for that…..

im sure the picture was great but the speakers at each side would annoy the hell out of me!

Saw one in Curry a few weeks ago.
Sales guy says there is nothing at all out there to watch on it yet.
It doesn’t upscale, not even a DVD player for it.
The box they were using to play the demo was over 4 weeks delivery.

Still excellent picture quality

I’m secretly looking forward to my child knocking our TV over. It’s just a matter of time but will be the only reason we could justify getting something to replace it. Stupid old peace of crap with it’s perfectly fine picture quality, just break will you!!

I’d be interested to plug a GoPro Black + thing into it and see what the 4k recordings are like

im sure the picture was great but the speakers at each side would annoy the hell out of me!

I found I tuned them out after a while. However, it was nice to see a decent set of speakers, it also came with a wireless subwoofer, fitted to a TV.

The curved Samsung, which was in the demo room as well would have been more for you…

John Lewis?

Ohhhh…how the other half… 😛

I don’t get the curved ones – unless you sit ‘in’ the zone then surely they won’t have any benefit?

Apparently they have a wider decent viewing angle than a flat screen, I suppose as you always get a good chunk of screen angled better for you.

Price of these £4k ones will drop with take up quickly enough. I remember when I 1st saw a 50″ screen – seemed monstrous! But then a 32″ CRT screen seemed big at the time.

Samsung has a demo booth at the Highland Show the other week. I wasn’t prepared for quite how good they looked. The curved screen is very subtle, but it did make them look even better. It did have some clever upscaling tricks, and other things that made it look very vibrant, which I’m not sure you could live with, but it did look seriously sharp.

Sales guy says there is nothing at all out there to watch on it yet.

It’s a bit like some conspiracy theorists claim 650b to be. Sony are massively pushing 4k, both getting cameras into studio’s and TV’s into houses because they want people to upgrade their TV’s. Everyone else is a bit ‘mehhh, we’ll make the cameras if the market demands it’ or ‘why make a TV when there’s nothing to watch on it’.

When I worked at BBC Research Dept 26 years ago they were working on HDTV which was analogue and 1280 progressive lines – it took 4 betamaxes recording digitally to record the picture.

That was seriously good – no digital compression rubbish in there.

Was going to be on the BSB satellite, but then they went bust and Sky bought them and used some lower power satellites.

Netflix are starting to do 4k broadcasts so long as you’ve got a 4k TV manufactured this year (older models don’t have the required decoder built in) and a broadband connection no lower than 16Mbps. They’re starting with Breaking Bad and House of Cards and gradually adding their own shows in 4K.

£3399 and they charge £9 to take your old telly away . Cheap barstewards !

Apparently they have a wider decent viewing angle

How does that work then? Surely if you are sat to one side, you will see less of the side closest to you due to the curve?

Netflix are starting to do 4k broadcasts

be better if the whole internet streaming at a lowly 1080P worked a bit more robustly…

Call that a TV, now this is a TV just a smidge over £4k!!

TurnerGuy – Member

When I worked at BBC Research Dept 26 years ago…

Kingswood?

be better if the whole internet streaming at a lowly 1080P worked a bit more robustly…

What’s the issue? We use netflix through an appleTV pretty much every other night and have not had a problem for months.

Surely if you are sat to one side, you will see less of the side closest to you due to the curve?

Well yeah but the other side is really good 🙂 I think that’s the point but dunno really.

Kingswood?

yep – used to live round the corner in Monkswell Lane, near the Well House Inn pub.

What’s the issue?

resolution drops down sometimes, motion isn’t fantastic – it is OK but not comparable to a blueray or something direct from Virgin.

There is scope for improvement, so why not make that improvement rather than mess around with the distraction that is 4K – a bit like this 3D rubbish, whereas higher resolution and better frame rates would have been preferable.

The world needed a new TV technology, my high def TV is just rubbish, I can see all I need to on it – but I WANT IT SHARPER AND BRIGHTER!!

I love new tech, but the 4k thing just isn’t floating my boat at the moment, TV/cinema should have a level of smoothing and ‘cinema’ style to them, it adds to the effect.

There is scope for improvement, so why not make that improvement rather than mess around with the distraction that is 4K – a bit like this 3D rubbish, whereas higher resolution and better frame rates would have been preferable.

The problem is the TV companies don’t control the amount or quality of your bandwidth. Take inconsistent stream quality up with the ISPs who throttle connections and refuse to upgrade backbone infrastructure as a means to leverage more cash our of tier 1 carriers.

Kenq38

Sales guy says there is nothing at all out there to watch on it yet.

GoPro home movies?

Nudge, nudge.
Wink, wink.
Say no more!!

The problem is the TV companies don’t control the amount or quality of your bandwidth. Take inconsistent stream quality up with the ISPs who throttle connections and refuse to upgrade backbone infrastructure as a means to leverage more cash our of tier 1 carriers.

well the fact is that is works like that now – so why try to shove 4k down the line as well – what’s the point?

Once the backbones are upgraded, then everyone gets 4k tv, and the backbones need upgrading again, and so on, when a decent and consistent 1080P would have been good enough.

But people aren’t concerned with quality are they – or they would all have complained about how poor freeview pictures are when it has nothing to do with them using PAL, just the broadcast companies compressing the pictures down as far as they can get away with.

There was one weekend years ago with some royal event where the picture quality got really bad and showed loads of mpeg artifacts – it turned out the BBC were turning up the compression to see how far they could go before people complained. I think Sky had done this previously but I didn’t witness that one.

There is scope for improvement, so why not make that improvement rather than mess around with the distraction that is 4K

Broadband internet supply is a totally different industry to TV manufacture, so Sony can’t do bugger all about it.

Some years ago my elderly grandparents went to a Sony store to pick up a new TV to replace their 15+ year old TV.

They had to go into the city so this was a big trip for them (they hated buying stuff online since they wanted to be able to see it before buying it). They told the shop assistant they wanted a large TV since the room they would be watching it in was large and their eyesight wasn’t so good these days. They said they didn’t know how much a good TV was these days, but that it would be for watching soaps and documentaries, so something “good for those sorts of things and definitely with a remote control”

I agreed to come round to help show them how to work it once it had been delivered.

I’ll never forget walking into that room and there being a 70″ MONSTER sat in the corner! 🙂

We all agreed that it was a bit big(!) and that it would have to go back.

However, the shock of the size of the screen was nothing compared to the shock of finding out how much a sale assistant charged my elderly and naive grandparents….£12k. They’d totally lost touch with the cost of a loaf of bread at their age, never mind technology!

I was seething and decided to head down the next evening for a chat with the manager. Needless to say, the 70″ went back and they got a nice 42″ TV with a 25% discount and an apology for being poorly advised first time round.

I saw the same demo recently. No doubt we will want 4K in the future but at the moment there isn’t the content.

As for the internet comment it’s interesting as in France people don’t have satellite dishes in the cities, “cable” tv is delivered via the internet, what that means is the service is diabolical and in many cases the HD channels (720) aren’t watchable ! I shudder to think how bad the service would be if they tried to stream 4k

@peterfile – that’s a disturbing story, at leas the shop did the right thing. The original assistant should have been fired.

Meh.

1080p is too HD for me – most films look shit on my mates super sharp HD TV, they look like home movies.

be better if the whole internet streaming at a lowly 1080P worked a bit more robustly…

Netflix works great through Apple TV on my projector.

£9 to take your old telly away

Serious purveyors of big flat tellies tend to put the old one in the garden.

Was in Harrods last year and came across a £35k tv. But this comes from the store that also sells £5k furry toys. Stunning to see how the rich waste their money

We’ve got 4k monitors on some of the hot-desks in the office. I always try and get one of the 1920×1200 screens instead but today I used one of the 4k ones….

My eyes got used to it eventually and it was faff resizing fonts but the ability to have 4 VM’s displayed at 1920×1080 each on the same screen was impressive.

Tomorrow I’m going in early to get one of the 1920×1200 screens, I can keep it a nice distance away!

Was in Harrods last year and came across a £35k tv. But this comes from the store that also sells £5k furry toys. Stunning to see how the rich waste their money

Or you could say they are paying through the nose for the latest technology while the bugs are still being ironed out and standards decided on so you can then pay a fraction of that a couple of years down the line for something better and that won’t be obsolete. Without them paying up everyone else wouldnt benefit as quickly.

When I got my laptop 2 years ago I made sure I got the full HD 15.6″ screen version and I love it. Now I see the current version of my laptop has a 15.6″ 4k screen! How have we gone from normal CRT resolution for so many years to then have HD and then full HD and now 4k in such a small time scale? I remember the first colour mobile phones with add-on cameras and 120 pixel 256 colour screens. Now we have full HD in a 4″ screen and will probably see 4k phones in the not too distant future.

Christ. Watching 1080p on my TV now….eurgghhh.

I have been seen the face of God, and nothing can be the same again 😡

The porn industry will probably lead the way with content.

You’ll be able to do a sperm count from each facial… 😯

the point of 4k is for 50″+ screens. You watch 1080 on a 60 inch or a 90 inch screen and you soon see its limitations. For upto 50″ there is no point, just like there is no point in 1080 below about 40″ – unless you’re sat about a foot away. The idea of 4k is you can get super sized screens in normal sized houses – ultimately with internet telly’s we will have lots of window’s and content on screen at the same time showing different things so we will want much larger screens than we’re used to.

Panasonic are offering 12 months free Netflix access as that is currently the only 4k content you can get. Disc players are being developed but it is likely we will be streaming 4k content via the internet rather than a hard format. And they do upscale. I was demo’d a Panasonic 58″ screen that was upscaling from Blu-Ray and it was stunning. Also the latest home cinema amps have 4k pass-though so when we do get 4k content going through your amp it is passed through direct to the TV.

Curved TV’s are just daft.

just like there is no point in 1080 below about 40″ – unless you’re sat about a foot away

Disagree with that. Obvious difference betwen SD and HD on our 40″ telly and we’re sat 3m or so away. Of course, if you sit closer still, you see much more, and the difference is greater.

Meh.

1080p is too HD for me – most films look shit on my mates super sharp HD TV, they look like home movies.

That’s because he has a flash telly and doesn’t know how to set it up. Turn the motion processing off and it will look 10x better