[Closed] Surly Krampus

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Like that. Was waiting for a 650Bx50mm wide rim and a 650B 3" + tyre to come along, but that'll do..

I was sworn to secrecy about this 😕

whats it for then? Too narrow for snow and sand I'd have thought?

Is that cap BS standard tested for that "stunt"?

http://twitter.com/DirtRag/status/226389547704016898/photo/1

Its for.....FUN.
Odd concept for you Al.....get someone young to explain it to you 😉

Sworn to secrecy ,twas all over facebook .I thought arybody new

@ rsarch 🙄

Al, I'll take a punt that it's for those who like some of the benefits of a fat bike or big, low pressure 29er tyres on normal trails but wanted a lighter less extreme wheel. Kind of half-fat. I guess 650B is too close to 26" to bother and this works better.

That's great. They have a killer tyre company and good volume (no pun intended) to push this out. Nice work.

it's just I tried 3" tyres and the jump to 4" was huge.

those rims will go ace with a jones as well 😀

Presumably with the longer contact patch you get with a 29er tyre, you don't need the full 4 inch width to get the same ground pressure??

Really dig the ad.
The tires are light, will the fit a regular 29" fork?

tthew - a 26 x 4 tyre is as big as a 29 x 2.3

Those rims will be goin on my jones 😀 - and possibly a 3" tyre as well.

[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/surly-krampus-802452.html#post9518288 ]complete bike pic[/url] looks fun.

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Wow that looks ace - want one 😀 I've been waiting for 3" tyres for years! - it will be a nice front tyre on my Jones, semi fat - run it at maybe 15 psi for a fast and cushy front !! Hopefully the increased diameter won't mess with the geo too much.

Shortly after that pic was taken a (big) bus came along & squashed that behemoth.
So that niche is now cancelled.
Sorry all.

Coooool. Was saving for the On One fat bike, but this might just throw a spanner in the works. Wonder when Charlie or Tim might have these in the UK? At least the tyres to go on a fat- front?

Just read the weights - a rabbit hole plus a knard will be lighter than a Gordo + ww - it just gets better.

Presume those tyres also will work on a p35 in a 'standard' 29er steel fork?

I wouldn't...

Why, rims to narrow you think?

Presume those tyres also will work on a p35 in a 'standard' 29er steel fork?

Surely would be fine? No different to a 2.4" Ardent on a narrower rim than a P35?

Yeah, guess so too.

Cynic-al... you tease me huh?

I thought about just popping the tyre on my P35, but that might defeat the point. If you're using a 3" tyre, may as well get the wider rims to support it. It's not far off 50% wider than a P35. Shame it'll be a pita / impossible to use tubeless. May need specialist tubes too, no more 26" spare tube bodges.

bloody marvelous, and what I have been asking for for years.

I hope the tyre fits in the front of a regular 29er rigid fork, for a smoother ride... free suspension.

I have ordered my demo bike. no idea of ETAs of prices, but email me to register your interest and I will keep you in the loop.

I have ordered a demo bike for myself... sorry for the shop.

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I was curious... and it turns out "Krampus is a mythical creature recognized in Alpine countries. According to legend, Krampus accompanies Saint Nicholas during the Christmas season, warning and punishing bad children, in contrast to St. Nicholas, who gives gifts to good children. When the Krampus finds a particularly naughty child, it stuffs the child in its sack and carries the frightened child away to its lair, presumably to devour for its Christmas dinner."

*checks bank account*

hame it'll be a pita / impossible to use tubeless

there are ways and means, that are not too difficult, managed it with a bit fat holey rim and a nate, so this should be easier.

Ok, surprised but good to know, ta.

Any tips on that set up Tazzy?

bloody marvelous, and what I have been asking for for years.

Butterdean Woods on one of these Gaz... 🙂

I only need the rims and tyres as their double drilled so can fit the pugsley offset built, giving a ridged 29er with a nice slack head angle 😉

slack HA? you thinking of going mountainbiking somewhere? 😛

You're hard enough to keep up with up Butterdean on that bloody ancient Muddy Fox Courier 8)

I knew I'd heard that name before..

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-the-uk-a-christian-country/page/9#post-3288664 ]nick my fuggin idea wouldya[/url]

can I have a free one please..?

GW AL... WHY?

When you move from a 2.2 Ralph to a 2.4 Ralph, you can feel the bike hold in longer, climb better and handle bumps. If a slightly bigger tyre is better then a much bigger tyre will be better. Full fat tyres at 3.8 are great but too big (beginning to get sluggish, slow on climbs) So this is inbetween, it should be a good place to be.

On a rigid 29er, the extra suspension and comfort from a big tyre is great. There is enough room on many forks for a 3" tyre. So these tyre may we'll find there way on to existing bikes. Rim width will be an issue, but basically you get 3" of tune-able air suspension for around £80.

Fatter tyres are better on sand, so a 3" won't be as good as the big fat larry at 4.7, but it will be better than a 2.2 on the frequent short stretches of sand we get on the heaths down south.

Bigger tyres make you look slim.

They are indeed very slimming, allowing you to enjoy more cider 🙂

For folk wanting a fat bike here in the UK but not wanting to ride real soft sand on the coast this new bike will be ideal, road work, climbing, faster trail speed and overall weight will be a lot better for xc riding than a full fat, yet should give great comfort and plenty grip, Be a great bike for riding the Cheviot Hills and the like 🙂

There is enough room on many forks for a 3" tyre.

I've never tried but I think I can fit 2.7" tyres on my bike - does the extra .3 of an inch do something magical then? Lots of grip on big tyres, yes, but the other side of lots of grip is being really draggy.

Charlie, your definition of "better" is another world from mine 😆
My hardtail rear tyre of choice all year round is a near bald (centre knobs) 2.35 maxpro Bling bling at 40psi, straight line grip is really not something that keeps me up at night ;).

but basically you get 3" of tune-able air suspension for around £80.

CK's described it's use far better, cheers dude! although some of the descents I've been lucky enough to ride in the Cheviots are gnarlier than many national DH tracks and I really wouldn't want any bike Surly make under me coming down them. 😉
looks like the mancave might need some more wheel hooks for the rafters soon, eh? 😀

Grum: who makes a 29x 2.7"?

I think until now (ignoring a no longer available WTB) there is nothing between 2.4 on 29, and 3.7 on 26". Surly fill the gap with something in the middle.

Bigger is not always better, but it is bigger, which is better

Here you get more grip, and this is the bit that attracts me... The biggest external diameter on the market (ignoring custom 36ers)

And if big tyres are such a bad idea, then why are we not all riding 1970s Raleigh shoppers. Hold on, shoppers have won several clunker classics.

Surly may live in a crazy world of farts and fat, but they do know what they are doing, and probably are fully aware that in a world where carbon suspenion bikes are mainstream commercial kings, the majority of people won't want or understand the Krampus.

Bike rumour have nailed it, they said "As further evidence that Surly live in a parallel universe in which suspension never evolved to its current (really quite good) state, aluminum is suitable only for containing beer, hydraulic disc brakes are something to be viewed with suspicion, and neither skis nor snowshoes were ever invented, we have the Krampus.  A steel frame built around the brand’s new 29×3.0 “29+” wheel size, the Krampus is apparently the “logical progression of the 29er.”  (Never mind that most of the industry sees 650b as the logical progression of the 29er.)  Much like a bowling ball at the top of the stairs can claim “high potential energy,” the 820g (plus 699g rim) Knard tire’s claim of “fast rolling inertia” neatly sidesteps the issue of how that inertia is achieved.  To be fair, it does look to be “like nothing [I've] ever ridden” and could be exactly what I’m looking for.  Only some saddle time will tell. "

SS that and leave me in the woods please. Preferably, grimy midden-Scottish woods with fairies and the like.
Neeeeeeeeoooooooow....
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Edit: FUN!

Any tips on that set up Tazzy?

I could tell you but i'd have to kill you. It does involve the use of industrial silicone rubber self sealing tape though as the rim strip. Air tight, stretchy and sticks only to itself. 😀

email me for secret details 😉

Hmmm, not sure the corner shop sells that! Wot pressures you getting away with, 6 or 7?

I could tell you but i'd have to kill you. It does involve the use of industrial silicone rubber self sealing tape though as the rim strip. Air tight, stretchy and sticks only to itself.

Or just use a split tube. 😆

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If you're running your rear tyres at 40psi - I'm not surprised you don't get it.

Stu.... Should you not trim your flapping flange?

Finaaar finaaaar

Flappage is now trimmed. 😀

Just wanted to see how easy it was to get it up first...

I'm not sure what that tubeless solution has achieved? Slime in a tube will be as effective?

On a rigid 29er, the extra suspension and comfort from a big tyre is great.

Or why not just do it properly and use suspension?

Stu... What size tube did you use? A 24"?

I add sealant to the fat surly toobs, but it's not always enough. A £96 puncture.... And to prove I don't know what I am talking about, I am being overtaken by a small wheel shopper.

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I'm not sure what that tubeless solution has achieved?

A total lack of thorn punctures and a small weight loss.

Slime in a tube will be as effective?

Nope. It's better than nothing but no where near as good as tubless and stans.

Charlie.

Yep a 24x3 tube.
Inflates dead easy with a compressor.

Tom... Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

So you're saying Stans will seal a tyre, but won't seal a tube ?

Charlie - I don't think anything would have sealed that !!! 🙂

So you're saying Stans will seal a tyre, but won't seal a tube ?

No I'm saying it seals a tyre better than a tube.
Maybe something to do with the tube moving around inside the tyre and the thorn keep opening up the hole.
When the thorn's in the tyre with no tube it can move around all it likes and it doesn't matter. Also the tyre is thicker and stiffer than a tube so the holes doesn't try and enlarge as much as it does in a tube.

All i can say for sure is that it's worked a lot better than a tube full of stans.

Anyway back on subject those rims/tyres should fit in a couple of frames and forks i already have so i'll be giving them a go when they become available.

Tom... Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

True, I was actually surprised by how different a large volume tyre felt on the back of my hardtail.

Bike rumour have nailed it, they said "As further evidence that Surly live in a parallel universe in which suspension never evolved to its current (really quite good) state, aluminum is suitable only for containing beer, hydraulic disc brakes are something to be viewed with suspicion, and neither skis nor snowshoes were ever invented, we have the Krampus. A steel frame..."

Seeing as the word "better" seems popular, are Aluminium and Carbon not far "better" materials for an overly heavy bike you're going to use on beaches and salted roads in winter?

Tyres are suspension. The original tuneable cheap light suspension.

Ride a fat bike and you will understand. It's an extreme example, but big tyres feel good.

How about fun?? 😀

how about it?

Grum: who makes a 29x 2.7"?

I don't know, no-one? But having massive tyres on my 26" wheeled bike would be pretty similar no?

Sometimes (in fact pretty much always) I ride my bike for fun - not to get up and down the most efficient way possible- this bike looks fun so why begrudge people just that?

If it doesnt float your boat fine

I don't begrudge anyone's idea of fun.. Where do you get that idea?

There is a FB page already for the bike 🙂

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what a load of kack.

More !! Surly are doing 2 new huge mud tyres at 4.8" 😀 called the Bud and Lou.

Bring it on!

OK JUST HEARD SOME ETAs

Framesets, rims and tyres end of 2012
Completes around march / April 2013

My man in the states has been riding one and says.... "Indeed it's a serious development of the Fat tyre market and having ridden the pants out of one it's pretty awesome somewhere between full suspension comfort and hand tail speed."

GW: you really don't get it. It does not have to be better. It has chunting great big wheels which will make it better at some things and not so good at others, whilst giving a new / different / fresh riding experience. Folk who will buy these will no doubt also have a mormal mountainbike with suspension and maybe even gears. As a surfer I ride all kinds of boards from 11 foot paddle boards, five fin bonzers, quads and even solid wooden finless boards based on ancient Hawaiian relics. There is no way in the world a finless plank is "better" but it is an experience, and adapting your style to different equipment allows the learning curve to continue, after 20+ years I get the same feelings and excitment I got when first learning to surf. It's the same with bikes.

I like the idea of somebody actually makes a bike for fun, not to be the most effcient , lightest, or place people at podiums.
The pic. In the ad pretty much sums it up.

Its a toy - we are off work 🙂

More info has landed

It's 31.5er on the outside

No Charlie I do "get it" and totally "get" that some will love it, just not me I'm afraid, sorry but the handling traits of these style of bikes just frustrates me and to be blunt the type of riding this latest development opens up would bore me to death.
Oh.. and may I remind you that it was you who started using "better" to describe it. 😀

GW... no need to be sorry.

charlie, any idea yet if the rim/tyre combo will fit in the rear of the ti Jones spaceframe?

Thanks,

Joop

Or if the front will fit a swift fork?

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It won't fit in a spaceframe joop - an RR 2.4 on a gordo only just fits - so I'm not expecting a 3" tyre to fit I'm afraid - maybe a 650b 3" tyre would fit though - who's going to step up and make one? - Brant??- - front - no problemo.

a 2.55 wtb and a 2.4 ardent do fit a jones on a 29 x 50mm rim though, so that's still a winner!