Road race bikes - Anyone ditched carbon?

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Road race bikes - Anyone ditched carbon?

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scratch - Member

Just starting to look around for a new race bike for next year, got my 3rd Cat on the commute this year and said if I got it and enjoyed the racing I'd splash out on a new one for 2012.

Always had a carbon Canyon Ultimate in mind, possibly a Rose but the Canyons slightly ahead.

Don't want this to be the standard carbon/steel debate but do you think you'd be much slower on a Bob Jackson / Mercian etc?

Looking to get Cat2 next year so need all the help I can get, but the steel road bike just looks like it'd age better, I'd like to keep it for the next 10years or so (standards allowing) and race the hell out of it then retire it onto the commute if my knees are still working.

Posted 7 months ago #
aracer - Member

Don't want this to be the standard carbon/steel debate

Silly question to ask in that case. The question being why do you think a carbon bike won't last 10 years?

Posted 7 months ago #
traildog - Member

Why is steel going to last longer? I would be interested to hear reasons why not to go carbon because I cannot think of one.

Posted 7 months ago #
scratch - Member

I think carbon would last, although over that time it's bound to take a tumble/get the boot slammed on it/slide down the corner of the wall at the cafe. I'm guessing over that life span I'd prefer to be going steel and not be to concerned with a ding in the top tube in a few years time.

Could do with checking the frame-to-frame weight differences I 'spose.

Posted 7 months ago #
karnali - Member

new rose alu looks good wih di2 and cosmic carbones for 2300

Posted 7 months ago #
ooOOoo - Member

steel will be easier to recycle

Posted 7 months ago #
aP - Member

Just buy some VFM generic carbon frame so that you don't get all upset when you crash your 6 month waiting list hand built steel frame. Which will happen if you ever race at Hillingdon.

Posted 7 months ago #
cp - Member

for a race bike, i see no reason at all to go steel 'if you want all the help you can get'. Carbon will almost certainly be stiffer and lighter.

I've a 10 year old Scott Strike carbon full sus bike which had a hard life, though is now just not ridden for one reason or another, but it's absolutely fine, much better nick than younger steel frames which have dents & lost most of their paint......

Posted 7 months ago #
thisisnotaspoon - Member

Rose's £1600 bike gets good wrietups.

Condor do a steel racer that's stiff enough, but (IMO) it just looks like a cheep aly frame.

Anythign skinny and steel (i.e. with the properties of a 'good' steel frame) is going to be flexy.

Why not aluminium? I've a 10year old cannondale CAAD5 frame, looks battered and could do with a respray but hasn't crack'd'n'fail'd like I was told at the time it would do.

Posted 7 months ago #
njee20 - Member

Still use my 2004 (I think it is) Madone SL as my 'nice' road bike, that's knocking 8 years old. Whilst I don't doubt that modern road bikes are far superior I still love riding it, it's incomparable to the 2010 Allez I commute on, comfy, light, stiff. It's been ridden through winter for many of the years I've owned it. It probably gets cleaned every 6 months, but it's a great bike! Quite like it to break so I can get a new Madone on warranty.

I'd go carbon all the way. Trek recycle carbon, so ooOOoo's comment is negated.

If you're a clumsy oaf and these are likely:

take a tumble/get the boot slammed on it/slide down the corner of the wall at the cafe

Then you should probably avoid cycling altogether, in fact, you should probably avoid going outside unsupervised.

Posted 7 months ago #
andrewh - Member

Why is steel going to last longer?
Because it's easier to repair.
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I've gone off carbon, having broken 3 carbon XC bikes in 2 years. My next MTB will be Titanium.
Would consider carbon for a time-trial bike as it's shape does matter and carbon have more interesting shapes, and of course TT bikes don't take much abuse.
On balance, I think Ti for next road bike too, as I do tend to keep them a while. Current one is aluminium and over a decade old.

Posted 7 months ago #
corroded - Member

do you think you'd be much slower on a Bob Jackson / Mercian

Yes. Would still prefer one over a carbon bike though. It's just about priorities.

Posted 7 months ago #
smell_it - Member

I can't really see any reason to ditch carbon for steel; I have two race bikes one is carbon, but the other is an 04 alu principia. I did pick up a ti frame to replace the principia, but found the later more 'snappy' and just felt better for racing. I think a lot of folk overlook alu frames, but a well made one holds it's own with decent carbon frames and is lighter than steel.

Posted 7 months ago #
aracer - Member

Because it's easier to repair.

Heat treatments on the sort of high end thin walled steel frame which is presumably what you'd consider instead of carbon, and these pictures suggests it's nowhere near as clearcut as that:

http://www.carboncyclerepairs.co.uk/racing-bike-repairs_2.html

On balance, I think Ti for next road bike too, as I do tend to keep them a while. Current one is aluminium and over a decade old.

My 13yo carbon one is now relegated to use on the turbo as I got a new carbon one. Oh, and that got a damaged chainstay (the sort of thing some carbon sceptics would consider terminal damage) about 11 years ago.

If you think a ti bike is a bike for life maybe you should check out some of the threads about broken ones on here.

Posted 7 months ago #
radoggair - Member

I've gone off carbon, having broken 3 carbon XC bikes in 2 years. My next MTB will be Titanium.
Would consider carbon for a time-trial bike as it's shape does matter and carbon have more interesting shapes, and of course TT bikes don't take much abuse.
On balance, I think Ti for next road bike too, as I do tend to keep them a while. Current one is aluminium and over a decade old.

And on the flip side, i've broke 2 titanium bikes, 1 steel bike, 3 aluminum bikes and 0 carbon bikes.
Now have 3 carbon bikes and 1 aluminum bike

Posted 7 months ago #
njee20 - Member

And at least one of your carbon frames didn't break because it was carbon, the poor placement of the bottle bosses meant your wore through the downtube, not really the fault of the material surely!?

Posted 7 months ago #
scratch - Member

Thanks all, should have really re-phrased the question as 'Would you still race steel' or something,maybe.

Easier to just get both right? I'll get both.

Posted 7 months ago #
ahwiles - Member

steel tubes are skinny, and skinny = aero.

therefore; steel frames are faster.

and it goes 'ping!' when you tap it, which sounds nice.

Posted 7 months ago #
ahwiles - Member

stupid double post.

Posted 7 months ago #
teamhurtmore - Member

Had carbon seat post shatter during a ride. Very scary! Next road bike will probably be Ti.

I am new to mtb and have basic Trek 6500 hardtail. Would love a fancy bike but am put off carbon given my experiences on the road. The frightening thing for me is not knowing that there is a problem until you get a complete failure. Carbon mtb must be a helluva lot stronger than roadies. But how do they take the punishment?

Posted 7 months ago #
FuzzyWuzzy - Member

I'd race steel if I had no other choice, otherwise at worst I'd go Ti but preference would be carbon...

Posted 7 months ago #
HoratioHufnagel - Member

Isn't the life expectancy of stuff got more to do with how its made than what its made from??

Any race frame will be made of the bare minimum of material won't it? whatever that material is?

Posted 7 months ago #
aracer - Member

Easier to just get both right? I'll get both.

Why? What advantage is the steel bike giving you over the carbon one (unless you're just doing the correct number of bikes equation)?

Posted 7 months ago #
grahamg - Member

Alu for best VFM when racing - CAAD 9 or 10, Canyon, whatever. I recently picked up a Principia Rex Pro with 9 spd dura ace for £600. Alu, stiff, light. I'm never going to do a 600km audax on it but it's built for going fast, not for comfort. Balls to steel and balls to carbon when you can get equally stiff/light for less cash with an alu race frame. Spend the difference on spare wheels/fork/mech etc. for that first crash

Posted 7 months ago #
crikey - Member

Still riding a 1999 carbon trek as my winter road bike. I've killed steel and alloy...

Posted 7 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

STeel = cool

CArbon = for noobs

THREAD CLOSED

Posted 7 months ago #
Rik - Member

Same equipment, wheels and forks.

You really think that steel is going to be slower than carbon. As if it will make a difference. Doubt it....oooooooo it will be 0.0002 secs slower or 1 watt less power. Just get out training more that's what wins races not if it's steel or carbon.

Posted 7 months ago #
aracer - Member

home made CArbon parts = for noobs

FTFY

Posted 7 months ago #
BIGMAN - Member

My summer bike is a nice carbon c59... But I would not dare to do a London crit on it!

Steel race bikes for crits. There are tumbles. Ride in a race what ever you are comfortable replacing if broken. I will buy a new steel condor when they are released. Same geo as a leggero. 1200quid.

I will race the colnago to but only on the open roads.

Tin worth considering as they have a new super stiff ti frame out. It is 5k for a frame tho.

Posted 7 months ago #
ampthill - Member

I think " the old git" ditched cabon on the basis that he was told not to ride a carbon bike after a crash, even though he could see no damage.

He reconned with steel damage would be visible and repairable

Posted 7 months ago #
shortbread_fanylion - Member

I don't race but ride an alu Kinesis (KR 510). It's nice and stiff and comfy enough for me, the only carbon bits are the seat stays. I've never ridden a fully carbon road bike for long enough to warrant comparison but I like it

Posted 7 months ago #
scratch - Member

I really should have thought more about the question than the bored lunchtime post earlier!

Loads of good info above, I'm riding ali at the moment, no reason not to go with that again. 'Only race what you can replace' makes a lot of sense.

Ta.

Posted 7 months ago #
Roulercoaster - Member

I love steel bikes, and got my 3rd cat a few years ago on a Colnago master x-light. Reality is, nooooooooooooobody races on steel - there is some ally at the lower cats but thereonup its all carbon, and its not just for fashion. Trust me, if you compete, go carbon, its just so fast,fast, fast.

Posted 7 months ago #
BIGMAN - Member

Why are Condor making steel race bikes if its such a bad idea?

And they have been winning Elite races on them!

Posted 7 months ago #
The Swedish Chef - Member

Gillert won Amstel Gold on an ali bike, so don't write it off

Posted 7 months ago #