Thanks for the replies so far, so some replies:
as for price £1,800 is cheaper than any of my cars which I will do less miles in, and a lot cheaper than the Storck I want to keep winter off. Its a bike to let get dirty, ride in the rain all day, leave out in the rain and not have to worry about it
I want it to be a road bike with drop bars as, that’s where I do most of my miles now, and find them comfortable
It has to be hydro brakes, as cable disks require more faff and general maintenance
Genesis although nice are just a bit too heavy and under specced for the monies. They are much heavier than my MTB, and nearly double the weight of the main road bike. I’d like a nice fast winter bike, hence the carbon
Ill look into the Spa cycles, never heard of them before
I already have a nice cannondale cross bike for that kinda stuff, but lack of guard options means its a pure offroader for fun and races
Never looked at ribble bikes, as I didn’t think they did many disk braked ones
Lights are covered by various handlebar setups and helmet lights and I currently like the way they work, plus they are removable for when its lighter on my commutes keeping the weight down