as title need to get id on this frame so i no what kit/forks to set it up with oviosley steel and muddy fox,very light,lovley ritchey dropouts and the cable routing is very detailed so guessing it was one of there higher end frames back in early 2k’s .
any help would be great
thanks

Dropped TT, Breezeresque dropouts and disc mounts? That’s no Muddy Fox, I’d wager.

Best bet is to ask on Retrobike.

The dropped top tube is a lot earlier than the early 2000s, more like the late eighties!

Double post oddness.

the muddyfox logo is not a sticker its actualy built off the tubing as there is no welds or rivets so deffo a muddyfox of some form was there much about in the way of disk brakes in late 80’s?

no idea what the frame is but this looks the same – http://www.jakesbikes.co.uk/content/26.php

Iain1775 is right: I had an identical frame two or three years ago. As far as I could discover it must have been a Muddy Fox Monarch Ultimate. I couldn’t discover much about that model or what the original components might have been though. I never did work out what kind of disc was designed to go on the back, certainly not I.S. or anything standard, so I ended up fabricating an aluminium disc mount for it.

It had quite good tyre clearances so I ran it as a 29er just for fun:
http://www.jakesbikes.co.uk/content/29.php

I then converted it to more of a trekking/hybrid bike and sold it:
http://www.jakesbikes.co.uk/content/26.php

Good luck with yours!

start with 80mm forks and work up over – probably SIDs

WTF another post of mine disappears!

IIRC those Ritchey drop outs were fitted to lots of cheap bikes. Dimpled stays are not a sign of high end.