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I think it is something the most definitely needs to be discussed on here, especially tonight.

In my mind it is most definitely bullying when derogatory comments are made about someone who doesnt have the opportunity to reply. That's worse than playground bullying as even in the playground you can smack a bully on the nose.

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Posted : 15/01/2012 10:39 pm
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It is the pack mentality that always worries me.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:41 pm
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In my mind it is most definitely bullying when derogatory comments are made about someone who doesnt have the opportunity to reply

What did i miss.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:42 pm
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Are we talking about this indirectly, or a specific incident?


 
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We're talking about bullying on here. There is a ridiculous amout of it going on and it needs to be recognised and stopped.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:43 pm
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i've missed whatever has been going on ❓


 
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In my mind it is most definitely bullying when derogatory comments are made about someone who doesnt have the opportunity to reply.

How can that be? If I don't hear it, it don't matter. If I can't respond to it, it ain't going to modify my behaviour.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:45 pm
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so who got bullied.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:46 pm
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Internet innit, keyboard warriors taking 5 minutes away from their pron addictions to attack someone else for no good reason than to make them feel superior. But it's the internet so who cares?

I'll sit back with a cuppa now and watch all the usual suspect barrel in here with their liberal opinions only to turn their back on them tomorrow in the name of a "balanced and intelligent argument"


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:47 pm
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so who got bullied.


 
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I don't think you know what you are talking about sbz. It's a far more serious issue than that.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:49 pm
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so who got bullied.

Realman ?


 
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Who've I got to put in a headlock to find out what on earth has been going on?


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:50 pm
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TJ?


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:50 pm
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Expand on the Kevevs. How do I not know what I'm talking about?


 
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TSY - yo have to read the big "silenced for a tenner" thread.

Elf got banned despite not breaking any rules. Load of folk then had a go at him. Pack mentality.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:55 pm
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Double post.


 
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Since I would never believe that STW is about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, I don't go to the bother of checking all the threads. Therefore, someone might make disparaging remarks about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME without giving [i]ME, ME, ME, ME, ME "the right of reply"[/i]. Frankly, IDGAS, YMMV.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 10:56 pm
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Where? Who?

I have not seen any yet? There might be some names calling but it's not as if they are not facing the mods' ban.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:00 pm
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chewkw - it is incredibly widespread on here. There is banter and there's bullying and who is to say where each persons line between them is...


 
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sorry sbz, your original post didn't sound serious to me.


 
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chewkw - it is incredibly widespread on here. There is banter and there's bullying and who is to say where each persons line between them is...
Naming names, I reckon that hora gets bullied a lot. But then he keeps coming back, so I think I'm missing the gist of it and that it's actually some man love.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:05 pm
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Kevevs no bother, but I cant stand bullying of anyone.


 
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me neither mate.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:07 pm
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I reckon that hora gets bullied a lot

It really is a water off a duck's back with Hora. Seriously, it's like insulting a rock.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:08 pm
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i'm afraid that i haven't read the silenced for a tenner post. it doesn't sound something i want to read though 😯 i'm sorry about elfensafety getting banned 🙁


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:11 pm
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Load of folk then had a go at him. Pack mentality.
TJ - a lot of folk have a go at fred on a daily basis. Not only did this appear never to upset him, he genuinely seemed to thrive on it.

Unless you can point to individuals who [b]only [/b]criticised fred [b]after [/b]his banning, all you have is a thread that was derailed in large part by Fred arguing with several USUAL critics on what was a very high profile thread. Once he was banned, they were all already assembled ... and you largely made the running on the should he shouldn't he "debate"

Yes, it turned a bit nasty - are you surprised ? I doubt anyone's entitled to be proud of the series of events

(I suspect you need to apply an attrition factor when trying to fathom stw's approach to modding Fred - it's rarely been any ONE act that got him banned)

(Addit) re banter vs bullying: I believe it's in the view of the recipient, so THEY NEED TO VOICE THEIR OBJECTION
In the case of the departed, I think the tone of his last few comments did not suggest that he felt hurt or threatened


 
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Okay not that obvious to me ...

Will keep a look out whenever I can but so far most arguments are sensible in many ways.

I thought TJ is bullied at times? No?

Hora? Bullied? He has taken you for a ride if you think he is bullied.


 
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I just read it. Has stuff been deleted?


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:16 pm
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I just read it. Has stuff been deleted?

Only the really bad stuff like...[b][NOPE - MODS][/b]


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:17 pm
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Seriously, it's like insulting a rock.
0 😆 I'll have to try that some day, insulting a rock. 🙂


 
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its funny that people act like this shit is real life


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:18 pm
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(Addit) re banter vs bullying: I believe it's in the view of the recipient, so THEY NEED TO VOICE THEIR OBJECTION

I disagree. People should put some thought into what they are posting. If it could be contrued as bullying dont do it. It's easy to pass the buck on to the person that's being bullied, but have some self awareness people.

Dogbert - it is real life. Or at least part of it.


 
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I don't think you know what you are talking about sbz. It's a far more serious issue than that.

+1

The guy clearly has much bigger problems than what a load of strangers who he enjoyed winding up on an internet forum think about his banning from said forum.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:24 pm
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I disagree. People should put some thought into what they are posting
Disagree away. (Assuming you are talking about Fred) I do not believe that people treat him fundamentally differently than he treats others.
I don't think many new members get the same from anyone unless they kick off with the weird shit/politics first


 
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Dogbert - it is real life. Or at least part of it.

No it's not, It really isn't


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:35 pm
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Bighitters strike again

edit - meant to tag that 😳


 
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dogbert - well according to STW this forum should be treated as real life and you shouldn't behave in away you wouldn't in real life fromt eh rules

In short, think twice about posting anything that you wouldn’t be prepared to say face to face.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:39 pm
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Bye Elf/Fred. All the best in the real world.


 
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the 'big hitters' at school were bully's, maybe it's a cry for help?
maybe they are just misunderstood?


 
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It really is a water off a duck's back with Hora. Seriously, it's like insulting a rock.

aye lovely line

most of those know him in real life ..binners for example...he gets it i suppose because folk know he is not annoyed and he trolls a fair amount too.

I just read it. Has stuff been deleted?

No
I don't think many new members get the same from anyone unless they kick off with the weird shit/politics first

most of it is stuff between folk who give it and take it tbh
Its easy to avoid the politics one [ well so I am told 😳 ]


 
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dogbert - well according to STW this forum should be treated as real life and you shouldn't behave in away you wouldn't in real life fromt eh rules

In real life I go to work, occasionaly cycle, walk my dog, enjoy pizza and beer and watch TV shows about tattooing

On here, I'm this ****ing guy

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I might have guessed that this thread would start to veer off in the direction it's taking now...


 
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anyway you're all wrong. Who wants a virtual kick in the balls?


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:46 pm
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it's probably just short man syndrome.


 
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Loads of posts being deleted off that long thread now.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:51 pm
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Loads of posts being deleted off that long thread now.

Thank god, the children will sleep safe tonight


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:56 pm
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I'm glad you are here to police the police, TJ. I sleep safer.


 
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The moderation of this forum is very bizarre.


 
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That thread was the wrong place to announce the banning.


 
Posted : 15/01/2012 11:57 pm
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they should delete the whole thread.
I'm embarrassed and I only read it.
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twitter seems to be a good vehicle for bullying and abuse.


 
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It's an ego maniac that feels the necessity to announce a banning unless there was some positive requirement to 'warn' others against similar behaviour.

What exactly was the fellow guilty of, other than over post.


 
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I might have guessed that this thread would start to veer off in the direction it's taking now...

Given the fact that you have so much form in the Trolling department, why on earth should it come as a surprise that no one takes a word you say seriously? 🙂


 
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I was just amused by they deletions from that thread. Can't see much rhyme or reason to the deletions but about 60 posts maybe have gone.

Odd behaviour.


 
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to lighten the mood

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they should delete the whole thread.
I'm embarrassed and I only read it.
Nah - jimmy still needs a [b]REFUND[/b]


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:00 am
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That thread was the wrong place to announce the banning.

Indeed. Jimmy will need to start a new one now.


 
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It's an ego maniac that feels the necessity to announce a banning.
Nah - I just saw it as a pre-emptive explanation. What I didn't see was why it was in that thread.


 
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What an incredible waste of energy and oxygen


 
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Nice stamps.
Which would be more sad, recognising the castle as Harlech or knowing the name of the sheep? 😳


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:03 am
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What about martyrs?


 
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Nice stamps.
Which would be more sad, recognising the castle as Harlech or knowing the name of the sheep?
Counting the number deleted posts off a thread


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:04 am
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i like the one playing the harp


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:06 am
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Which would be more sad, recognising the castle as Harlech or knowing the name of the sheep?

the later , I recognise Harlech castel as ell.. I am not on first names terms with any sheep. I suspect a stereotypical Welsh joke on a thread on bullying would be insensitive so i will e-mail you it instead 😉


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:09 am
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so i will e-mail you it instead

Diolch.


 
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back to the original point... I reckon it is a problem that needs to stop. I never see it as full on attacks at one person, usually a few negative comments that then get taken a bit further by others until it turns into pure insults. The ones that irritate me are the grammar ones, Iv'e grown up with 90% dyslexics and I know how much difficulty they have with spelling/punctuation and I'm pretty useless too and there's nothing wrong with the odd correctment but when people start ridiculing grammar and spelling it really starts to take the .... All forms need to stop because as has been said, you can't just deck the offending person(s).


 
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TSY - yo have to read the big "silenced for a tenner" thread.

Elf got banned despite not breaking any rules. Load of folk then had a go at him. Pack mentality.

[u]LOL What thread was that?


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:24 am
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yo have to read the big "silenced for a tenner" thread.

LOL What thread was that?
It was the big "silenced for a tenner" thread mate


 
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The moderation of this forum is very bizarre.

Apparently if there are enough complaints concerning one forum user, this justifies banning them on a whim - that was the reason which Mark gave me for a extended ban which I recently received. I suspect that it only requires a dozen or so people to persistently complain, out of a forum of several thousands, for this to have an effect- I don't know, but I can't imagine that there's many more than a dozen or so people who really give a monkeys what I think or say.

All of which I guess causes what appears to be rather bizarre moderation decisions. Still, it's not my forum and I don't have to post if I don't want to, so I'm not unduly bothered by it all.

Anyway there you have it, if you are a sad inadequate person who wants to see other forum users banned, then just keep complaining about them - there's a fair chance you'll succeed.

Although interesting enough despite all the "good riddance" comments concerning Elfie on the other thread, and the "why don't you follow him" ones directed at TJ, the two people who by far most STWers on a recent thread said they wanted to meet, was, yes, you've guessed it, TJ and Elfie. And I didn't get the impression that it was because people couldn't stand them.

So the persistent whingers far from having a positive effect on the forum, are likely to have a negative effect by getting rid of popular forum users. Still it's not my forum so I'm not unduly bothered by it.

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/which-forumites-would-you-most-like-to-meet-and-why ]Which forumite(s) would you most like to meet, and why?[/url]


 
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You got banned Ernie? Wtf for?


 
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I guess that none of us really know how many/what level of complaint it takes? There's been more than a few folk said to me that they don't use STW because of the number of threads taken over by a handful of posters and it would be easy enough to get stats out of the system to show who these were.

Of course, the downside of that is that it might limit useful contributions too 🙂


 
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For being one of the 'most complained forum users'. Pay attention TJ.


 
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surely you knw the rules he cannot say but if i was going to guess I would go for

[b]Apparently if there are enough complaints concerning one forum user, this justifies banning them on a whim - that was the reason which Mark gave me for a extended ban which I recently received.[/b]


 
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😆

I was more expressing incredulity at Ernie being banned.


 
Posted : 16/01/2012 12:52 am
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Anyway there you have it, if you are a sad inadequate person who wants to see other forum users banned, then just keep complaining about them - there's a fair chance you'll succeed.

So because someone was upset by something you said, and complained. That makes them sad and inadequate?

Classy.


 
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Anyway there you have it, if you are a sad inadequate person who wants to see other forum users banned, then just keep complaining about them - there's a fair chance you'll succeed.

I think there might be one or two who are well aware of this.


 
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We're talking about bullying on here. There is a ridiculous amout of it going on and it needs to be recognised and stopped.

There are different forms of bullying SBZ and IMO opinion Elf was one of the worst with his form of belittling, condescending and derogatory rebuttal of anyone who disagreed with him.

As for pack mentality, that works both ways..................obviously 8)


 
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I was more expressing incredulity at Ernie being banned.

Incredulity ? I expect it. Jesus was persecuted too you know.


 
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Elf was one of the worst with his form of belittling, condescending and derogatory rebuttal of anyone who disagreed with him.

Yeh, i is hypocritical but, he did make me laugh in the 'silence for a tenner' thread. 😆


 
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