[Closed] I bought a new frame today - Horsethief content

Nice.

Have fun building then riding it.

Nice! 8)

Quite fancy building a 29er FS myself this year.

On the list is above & Turner Sultan..........

[url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/SearchResults.aspx?Search=turner+sultan ]Sultan you say? [/url] 🙂

If you get in quick they're available for £800, not many left though. I think the new ones are £1200. The shock was a nice surprise, I was expecting a standard 2012 Kashima RP23 and got a 2013 Kashima CTD instead.
EDIT: Having said that, those Sultans above are at a very good price.

21" Raw would have been my 1st choice, not sure about Ano blue.......

A bit early just now, maybe leave it til the summer.

Sultan way too complicated. That Horsethief is lovely.

suits you sir.. 😀

Merci Yunki. I'm very excited, just need Parcelfarce to pull their finger out and deliver my forks tomorrow, and for them not to mess up delivering my wheels next week 🙂

Lovely that...

Ooh nice horse, id be interested to see the build and all up weight..

A friend of mine built an extra large up using xt, stans, hope, all the usual stuff and it came in at 30lb. Not bad for a big full susser 29er!

Very nice.

Any idea what the frame weight is?

6.5 to 7lb with shock, hanger, maxle etc. It's about right for a 29er.

I'd like to get mine to 30lb, but it'll start off at about 32lb I'd imagine.

Sambob,

My mate went for the Crests with pro 2's. The wheels are the secret to a lighter bike. My full susser 29er weighed 27lb and that was with Salsa Semi's which are much heavier than Crests. I suppose I could of saved around 1lb.

Hope Pro2 Evo/ Arch EX run tubeless. Tough enough and not particularly heavy. Will have On-One Smorgasbords on to start with though. Might get Nobby Nic/Racing Ralph Snakeskin if stuff starts to dry out a bit though.

Frame weight is 3.12kg on my reasonable accurate luggage scales including maxle, Hope Tapered headset and seatclamp. Seems fine to me, only 300g heavier than my FSR XC frame, which is for sale incidentally.

It's going to be a great bike, you'll love it! Salsa's brilliant stuff. A pal of mine has the Dos Niner and he has that weighing 26/27lb.
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Cheers. Cable guides almost had me stumped for a moment, but I've worked it out. Initially, it only looks like there are enough guides for two cables, but one cable gets fixed to the outside of the cable guide, rather than having it's own.

Seriously tempted by a horsethief but the top tubes just look too long on paper (web) for me, would be great if you can measure yours when made up to see how it compares to Salsas figures as ive yet to own a bike which measured the same as what the manufacturers quoted..........

Any more pics? I've been undecided between a Spearfish and Horsethief for a while now. I prefer the look of the Spearfish and the fact it's nearly £200 cheaper 🙂 , but the Horsethief's got a lot of pros a normal BB and maxle rear and probably the clincher, 120mm rear travel.
What size is yours sambob?

I should have finished it by the middle of next week depending on when my wheels and forks arrive, so can measure it all then. Effective TT is 10mm longer than my FSR XC on paper, so I'll have to see whether it actually feels any longer. What sort of thing you looking for cooie? It's a large btw.

I had a spearfish and liked it except the front centre was too short and felt dodgy with flats and size 12 feet, was ok with spds though. Was my first 29er and fc was the one thing I forgot to check. Now on a scandal 29er for the winter which is great but trying to decide what 29fs for when/if things dry up (back doesn't like ht's on hard ground longer rides). Horsethief is perfect except the tt on paper, it may fit me with a 50mm stem, currently on a 70

I'll probably end up with a 50mm stem, as my Specialized felt fine (if not slightly long) with a 70mm stem.

Re tyres, I've been running 2.25 racing ralph snakeskin on some arch ex's on the SF and scandal, they are brilliant, only deep mud fazes them, yes they slide a bit in normal mud but very predictable, 2 punctures in 6 months which self sealed fine, not sure I will bother with anything beefier on the front

Hmm... Struggling to find any for less than about £40. If I can find some in Germany I might buy one and keep a Smorgasbord on the front...

Mine were from bike-discount.de £32 each at the mo

Oooo, cheers.

Merlin had RRs going cheap a few weeks ago...

I think the horsethief would be my first choice for an fs 29er. Would be perfect to ride Horsethief too... One day I'll get back there...

If anyone's thinking about getting a large you're welcome to at least have a sit on mine once I've finished it.

A pal of mine has the Dos Niner and he has that weighing 26/27lb

My rigid singlespeed el mariachi comes out at 26lb 🙁

Really nice bike though, the Horsethief is top of my list for a FS

It's nice isn't it Sam. Really quite impressed by it.

What sort of thing you looking for cooie?

Just got a 'thief in XL myself too 🙂

One thing to check - the shock on mine, the black trail adjust (1,2,3) lever didn't move, so it's had to go back. Hopefully quickly sorted though, can't wait to ride it. Charlie the bikemonger's being very helpful thus far.

Mine's built a bit more AM: Marz 44s@140, singlering, reverb, flows etc.

the top tubes just look too long on paper (web) for me, would be great if you can measure yours when made up to see how it compares to Salsas figures

My XL measures up as spec. Which is awesome, finally it won't look like I've nicked a child's bike!

IA, how tall are you?

6'4", should be able to get a decent riding position with a 60mm stem, and I'm excited at the prospect I might even be able to try a touch shorter.

Would be a large for me, 6'3 but prefer small bikes but the TT is still 638, my Scandal is 615 and I run that with a 70mm so in theory a large HF with 50mm should be ok but not sure if I would prefer it to be shorter still due to the type of thrashing it will get and its a lot of money to gamble on.....suppose I could get a 40mm stem 😉

6'3" puts you borderline L/XL I guess - TT measurements don't tell the whole story if the seat angles and reach (as in reach & stack) change. Personally I prefer bikes that fit to small bikes. Anyhow, I'll post pics of mine once it's built and if you spot me on the trails in the south west folk are welcome to a sit on it for size.

And it turns out there's nothing wrong with my shock and I'm an idiot - you have to pull up the black dial to turn it! Nothing in the manual /youtube videos I saw about this.

I have to say Charlie was very understanding about it, so that's a recommmendation from me not just on service but also cheerfully putting up with daft customers 🙂

You've got the same shock as me then IA. What do you think of it?

if you spot me on the trails in the south west folk are welcome to a sit on it for size

Has Mr Bike Monger not got one you can try?

No, he had a large Spearfish way back, but that was before l had any interest in 29ers. Got a 29er ht and loved it, thought ooh, Charlie's got that 'green fs' in the shop, but he'd unfortunately sold it. Prob just take a punt on a large Horsethief frame. Just gotta sell my Heckler now 🙂

Anywhere near Swanage?

Bristol at the mo.

You've got the same shock as me then IA. What do you think of it?

Bike's not built and ridden yet, as when I thought the shock wasn't right I sent it back... d'oh. Can let you know in a week or so...

But I'm not in a position to compare the shock to anything, as although I've ridden lots of other shocks, not on the same bike! And suspension design makes as much difference as the shock...

That's a good point. Providing everything gets delivered sharpish, mine should be finished by next weekend. I like the idea of the CTD, reports on pinkbike of the descend setting being a bit too soft for most stuff though, and that number 1 trail setting is a better choice for most riding, but it's hard to tell.

Does the CTD replace 123 of the rp23, but still have on/off lever?

CTD means the big blue lever gives you "most lockout", "some support" or "fully squishy"

For more technical terms, see the fox website 😉

Just collected my forks, just need to get a seatpost and for the wheels to arrive 😀

Looks good sambob. I'll be scrounging a go on your clown bike next time I see you!

You're more than welcome too, I'll have to have a spin on your Meta too. I swear every time I see you you're riding a different bike!

Um yeah. Speaking of which...new frame coming today...

What this time?

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Can't see pic here,is it just me?

Probably not.
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Edit: It's more green than I thought it would be, not so sure the red hubs were a good decision but never mind.

That's coming along nicely, all you need is wheels, brakes, gears, a chainset, seatpost and saddle, tyres, grips, a hacksaw and a can of spray paint and you'll be good to go... Can we expect to see it out next Wednesday/Thursday then or will you be going back into hibernation... 🙂

Did you get the seatpost sorted btw? I can lend you a shonked-out USE Sumo and saddle - erm, a Spoon I think - if you need one. Or a good condition KS dropper post, the non-remote version...

Anyway, nice colour. Make sure the post is optimal length if you're planning on dropping it - that seat-tube looks slightly kinked to me, though it may just be my monitor 😉

May well be out Thursday night, I'll be riding Wednesday afternoon though if I've finished it by then. That KS sounds interesting, will email you.

Ooh shiny, that gets the bigdugsbaws seal of approval 🙂

Ooh shiny, that gets the bigdugsbaws seal of approval 🙂

Twice it seems!

Did you get the revs from crc?

Yup, £270 for the RL's.

For anyone interested, my 44s came from bike24, £400 which aint bad for 44s. Went for them over revs as I wanted something a bit burlier. They come at 120mm but with the spacer to go down to 100 (or you can remove one to go to 140 as I have).

Right, made my mind up now, Horsethief it is.
Looks like a trip to see Mr Bikemonger is on the cards on Monday 😀

Nice one. Looks like it'll be 3 Horsethiefs bought/built up on here in the space of about two weeks! Unless IA got his a while ago?

Bought mine on the 10th, but various factors including snow mean it's not ridden yet.

It is now completely built just waiting on the shock back. Hopefully it'll ride as good as it looks 🙂

Wheels dispatched, should arrive on Thursday. So close to finishing it, the wait is killing me!

[i]the wait is killing me! [/i]

can I have your bike?

Depends how much you're willing to pay!

Finally got to ride mine at the weekend, here it is after a few laps of Cwmcarn:

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Loving it so far. So nice to have a bike that fits properly and doesn't look like a [i]total[/i] gate 🙂

Very stable, effortless speed in the way a DH bike has, not getting caught up on anything. Takes a bit of manhandling round corners, but it's to be expected and not necessarily a bad thing - feels like my DH bikes in that respect. Also I can't really pass judgment yet - there aren't really any corners at cwmcarn! Didn't have the time to get on the DH track with it, maybe another day.

Only change will be putting spds on it, 1x9 was ok round Cwmcarn on flats, but a little more effort than it needed to be.

Right, made my mind up now, Horsethief it is.
Looks like a trip to see Mr Bikemonger is on the cards on Monday

After two weeks of dithering I've finally got round to visiting Charlie, should have it on Thursday or Friday 😀
Now off to CRC to look at forks!

Mine arrived from him today, will get it built next week, need the current bike for a race on Saturday first 🙂

I almost feel responsible for your purchases. I'm proud of that 😀 I love mine, it's an absolute hoot, just so good pretty much everywhere. Chunky Monkey 2.4 doesn't feel in any way draggy, brilliant tyre up front.
HTN dlr?

Best bike I've ever owned... And that's an embarrassing long list of bikes! Have mine with a CCDB Air shock and 140mm white bros loops... Xtr... Etc... Super smooth and very fast... Could be lighter and flasher.... Just not better..

I had been thinking about one for quite a while but kept putting it off as I was unsure on the long on paper top tube. Far too stressful so decided just to buy one, if it doesn't work I move on but at least I will know 🙂

Htn? Heh.? If you mean what race, gorrick xc, using my scandal 29er which is giving its wheels and couple of other bits to the HF afterwards

Thought you might have been doing Hit The North. Surprised the CCDB fits Grace, didn't think there'd be enough space under the top tube.

Ah nope, I can see the english channel from my bedroom window lol, quite southern

Sounds grim 😉

Chunky Monkey 2.4 doesn't feel in any way draggy, brilliant tyre up front

It's a good tyre, very grippy, but really it is draggy compared to something fast! Was on my other bike (with beavers on) yesterday and it flies in comparison.

The CM aint [i]too[/i] draggy, but it's certainly a draggy tyre compared to something fast.

Sambob...mounted the ccdb air "upside-down"...was a great upgrade from the rp23...i occaisonally miss the propedal...especially since experimenting with 1x10...but at least never forget to switch it back 🙂 Anyhow - I'll switch back to double bash again soon..have had the horsethief for nearly a year now - took it to the Alps (Bikevillage - Les Arcs)etc where it was ace...I nearly always start getting tempted by the latest new frameset by now - but just dont think about upgrading anymore!!